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[Sammuthegreat]

I've been away a few days and haven't played Leviathan yet. I'm planning on playing it tomorrow. Do I need to replay the ending to see everything Leviathan has to offer?

Preferably spoiler-free answers please... thanks kindly.

EDIT: darn typo.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:52 .

[lex0r11]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I've been away a few days and haven't played Leviathan yet. I'm planning on playing it tomorrow. Do I need to replay the ending to see everything Leviathan has to offer?

Preferably spoiler-free answers please... thanks kindly.

EDIT: darn typo.

NO SPOILER

To see EVERYTHING you have to play the ending too, yes.

[Home run MF]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I've been away a few days and haven't played Leviathan yet. I'm planning on playing it tomorrow. Do I need to replay the ending to see everything Leviathan has to offer?

Preferably spoiler-free answers please... thanks kindly.

EDIT: darn typo.

If you wanna see romance specific content I recommend you play it after the lock-in with the LI. And yes it ads stuff to the ending.

Modifié par Home run MF, 02 septembre 2012 - 03:56 .

[Sammuthegreat]

lex0r11 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I've been away a few days and haven't played Leviathan yet. I'm planning on playing it tomorrow. Do I need to replay the ending to see everything Leviathan has to offer?

Preferably spoiler-free answers please... thanks kindly.

EDIT: darn typo.

NO SPOILER

To see EVERYTHING you have to play the ending too, yes.

Thank you Mr. Motivator (although I'm slightly disappointed there were no motivational pictures in your response).

Next question: does it make any difference whatsoever to the story?

[lex0r11]

Anarchy__ wrote...

GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC DENY THE IT THEORY AND CONFIRM THE TRUTH THEORY

[lex0r11]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

[...]

Thank you Mr. Motivator (although I'm slightly disappointed there were no motivational pictures in your response).

Next question: does it make any difference whatsoever to the story?

I'm sorry for no visual support. :/

And I don't know how to answer that next question really. I HAVE FAILED.

*punishes himself by choosing synthesis 3 times and pretending to like it*

[BatmanTurian]

lex0r11 wrote...

Anarchy__ wrote...

GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC DENY THE IT THEORY AND CONFIRM THE TRUTH THEORY

Well, that's enough evidence for me. I.T. is a bust!

[BatmanTurian]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I've been away a few days and haven't played Leviathan yet. I'm planning on playing it tomorrow. Do I need to replay the ending to see everything Leviathan has to offer?

Preferably spoiler-free answers please... thanks kindly.

EDIT: darn typo.

NO SPOILER

To see EVERYTHING you have to play the ending too, yes.

Thank you Mr. Motivator (although I'm slightly disappointed there were no motivational pictures in your response).

Next question: does it make any difference whatsoever to the story?

It lends more credence to IT, Puzzle, and Overlay theory. The developers make tongue-in-cheek jokes about IT posters trying to figure out things, there are hints that Refuse might be expanded and made the perfect ending or so it looked to me. I'm probably forgetting a lot, honestly.

[Galifreya]

Anarchy__ wrote...

GIVE IT A BREAK THE NEW DLC DENY THE IT THEORY AND CONFIRM THE TRUTH THEORY

Well, now that you've confirmed it with your big wise wordy words of wisdom, I guess I have to accept it. I mean, your argument is completely infallible. Thank you so much for enlightening us. How shall I ever repay you?

[Humakt83]

Another Cerberus Symbol, on the Kodiak Shepard landed on Leviathan's world.

[The Twilight God]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote ...
2. Then the slide shows make no sense. None.

If you take them literally at face value they do make sense.

Explain

already explained in the very post you are replying to...

http://social.biowar...17/695#13948729

[Sammuthegreat]

lex0r11 wrote...

*punishes himself by choosing synthesis 3 times and pretending to like it*

Whoa man. That's seriously taking one for the team.

[The Twilight God]

Andromidius wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...
He's in the rubble of the Citadel. He can't be on Earth because he'd have burned up in the atmosphere.

There's no concrete on the Citadel, therefore there's no rubble.  Therefore Shepard isn't on the Citadel.

Next.

What makes you think there is no concrete on the Citadel?

[Home run MF]

Humakt83 wrote...


Another Cerberus Symbol, on the Kodiak Shepard landed on Leviathan's world.

Looks at signature, one of the first things Levi says to Shepard "Your mind belongs to me" 
Are they toying with us? It sure feels like it.

[RavenEyry]

I always found the slides to make sense, my problem is that they were completely pointless.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

I always found the slides to make sense, my problem is that they were completely pointless.

I dare to disagree.

[MaximizedAction]

The Twilight God wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...
He's in the rubble of the Citadel. He can't be on Earth because he'd have burned up in the atmosphere.

There's no concrete on the Citadel, therefore there's no rubble.  Therefore Shepard isn't on the Citadel.

Next.

What makes you think there is no concrete on the Citadel?

From how the developers chose to show us the Citadel and the way they designed London, it's just more likely that it's London.

[Sammuthegreat]

MaximizedAction wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...
He's in the rubble of the Citadel. He can't be on Earth because he'd have burned up in the atmosphere.

There's no concrete on the Citadel, therefore there's no rubble.  Therefore Shepard isn't on the Citadel.

Next.

What makes you think there is no concrete on the Citadel?

From how the developers chose to show us the Citadel and the way they designed London, it's just more likely that it's London.

At risk of delving back into the IT arguments that I left behind months ago - also, there's a Mako in the background. When has there ever been a Mako on the Citadel?

[RavenEyry]

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.

[BatmanTurian]

RavenEyry wrote...

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.

Concrete is porous so it's unlikely it would be used on a space station, much less the outside of the space station where Shepard is supposed to be. They are more likely to use metal and plastic alloys than concrete And let's not forget the Supernova that would be required to break the Citadel arms that Shepard would have to live through. This is all conveniently forgotten.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 02 septembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.

Yup.

Also, there are a few very fishy things with the dialogue, I think it lends credence to the idea of the end scene as indoctrination, given how similar the two conversations are:

Leviathan: You have come too far.

Shepard: I had to find you.

Leviathan: This is not your domain. You have breached the darkness.

Shepard: You killed a reaper. I need to know why.

Leviathan: They are the enemy. One that seeks our extermination.

Shepard: But... I thought you were a reaper.

Leviathan: They were only echoes. We existed long before.

Shepard: Then what are you?

Leviathan: Something more. Your mind belongs to me. Breathe.

Shepard: Ann? What's happening?

Leviathan: Your memories give voice to our words. Your nature will be revealed to us. Accept this.

Shepard: The galaxy's at war with the reapers. You defeated one. Why aren't you fighting back?

Leviathan: There is no war. There is only the harvest.

Shepard: Then help us stop it!

Leviathan: None have the strength in past cycles. Your own species could be destroyed with a single thought. But you are different. I have witnessed your actions in this cycle: the destruction of Sovereign; the fall of the collectors. The reapers perceive you as a threat. And I must understand why.

Leviathan: Before the cycles, our kind was the apex of life in the galaxy. The less species were in our thrall, serving our needs. We grew more powerful, and they were cared for. But we could not protect them from themselves. Over time, the species built machines that then destroyed them. Tribute does not flow from a dead race. To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost. As the Intelligence evolved, it studied the development of civilizations. It's understanding grew until it found a solution. In that instant it betrayed us. It chose our kind as the first harvest. From our essence, the first reaper was created. You call it Harbinger.

Shepard: You built that machine despite what you saw the other races experience. Why?

Leviathan: You cannot conceive of a galaxy that bends to your will. Every creature, every nation, every planet we discovered became our tools. We were above the concerns of lesser species. The Intelligence was envisioned as simply another tool.

Shepard: And now we all pay the price for your mistake.

Leviathan: There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose.

Shepard: How did you remain hidden all this time?

Leviathan: Our extermination was not complete. Some survived and found refuge in the dark corners of the galaxy. I am their progeny. Over the cycles the thrall races were controlled, removing traces of our existence as we directed them to. In this way, our survival was kept secret from the reapers. Today, we reach out through the fragments and watch for discovery.

Shepard: Fragments? You mean the artifacts we found?

Leviathan: They provide a window in the galaxy. Tools for exploring the events of this cycle from the safety of this world. Through them, we watch, we study, and remain in the shadows.

Shepard: How did the Intelligence defeat you?

Leviathan: To find a solution, it required information - physical data drawn from organic life in the cosmos. It created an army of pawns that searched the galaxy, gathering this data. There was no warning, no reason given when they turned against us. Only slaughter. Only the harvest.

Shepard: Tell me about the reapers.

Leviathan: Each harvest ends with the birth of a reaper. Perfect in its design. Each formed in Harbinger's image. Our image. Each reaper has the power to influence organics. Over countless cycles, this ability was refined, perfected and gave rise to indoctrination.

Shepard: But what's the point of all these harvests?

Leviathan: The Intelligence has one purpose: preservation of life. That purpose has not been fulfilled. It directed the reapers to create the mass relays - to speed the time between cycles for greatest efficiency. The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool.

Shepard: Will it ever end?

Leviathan: Unknown. Until the Intelligence finds what it is looking for, the harvest will continue.

Shepard: What do you know about the Crucible?

Leviathan: We have watched its construction before. It has never been completed. Those who have tried still fell victim to the harvest. Its outcome is unknown.

Shepard: Okay, you made your point. Will you help stop the cycle?

Leviathan: I have searched your mind. You are an anomaly - yet that is not enough.

Shepard: Wait!

Leviathan: The cycle will continue.

Shepard: No! You have been watching. You know this cycle is different.

Leviathan: We will survive. You will remain here as a servant of our needs. The reapers will harvest the rest.

Shepard: If you release me, no one has to be harvested.

Leviathan: Nothing will change.

Shepard (paragon): The reapers know where you are! You can't just watch anymore - you have to fight! Even if you survive the battle today, the reapers won't stop - ever. Release me, and we have a chance to end this once and for all.

Shepard (renegade): You are responsible for this! Every race that has ever been destroyed is because of you. And now the reapers will destroy you too. Unless you start fighting. Even if you survive the battle today, the reapers won't stop - ever. Release me, and we have a chance to end this once and for all.

Leviathan: Your confidence is singular.

Shepard: I've earned it: out there fighting, where you should be.

Leviathan: It is clear why the reapers perceive you as a threat. Your victories are more than a product of chance. We will fight. But not for you, or any lesser race. We were the first, the apex race. We will survive. And the reapers who trespass this world will understand our power. They will become our slaves. Today, they pay their tribute in blood. 

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.

Funny, isn't it more difficult to hear something like that with the music on?

[Daryslash]

paxxton wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Hey paxxton your avatar looks like Garneau it's creepy.

 I don't see any resemblance.

How exactly did you manage to get this unique avatar? Or is it not unique and I'm allucinating? God, am I indoctrinated??

Here you have a detailed guide:
http://social.biowar...2113/blog/4817/

Why, thank you, kind sir.

[paxxton]

Daryslash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Hey paxxton your avatar looks like Garneau it's creepy.

 I don't see any resemblance.

How exactly did you manage to get this unique avatar? Or is it not unique and I'm allucinating? God, am I indoctrinated??

Here you have a detailed guide:
http://social.biowar...2113/blog/4817/

Why, thank you, kind sir.

You're welcome!

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Hey paxxton your avatar looks like Garneau it's creepy.

 I don't see any resemblance.

How exactly did you manage to get this unique avatar? Or is it not unique and I'm allucinating? God, am I indoctrinated??

Here you have a detailed guide:
http://social.biowar...2113/blog/4817/

Why, thank you, kind sir.

You're welcome!

never worked for me for some reason...