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#17701
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Spotted something guys. Shepard is also on hands and knees (the hallucination position) at the very beginning after he gets spit up by the beam.

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estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

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Oh, hello folks.

Being lazy and not checking the pages fast enough. What's news?

Plfranke accused Paxxton of being a troll, some pie banter between me and banshee, and BatmanTurian, who apparently is a veteran of the IT, has come back.


Ah, the two of us are going to be called trolls too at some point I suppose for being too cynical or whatever, it's only a matter of time.

Yeah, I suppose so. He also just insinuated that I'm a troll, too. Great. Now everyone who doesn't fit into his own view of how things should be are trolls.

I actually said I could think of less kind things to call you than troll.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Nice to see some of the it veterans still going strong (byne of course, batman turian,lexxor). Are there more of the oldtimers still around? Earthbornshepard, arian?

Any official news relating to IT that i have missed?

Well, estebanus is around here too, but my brother's account is being run by me, his sister, currently.

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The day Lex becomes a troll is the day I lose all faith in humanity.

I personally welcome hearing why people from the IT thread give up. I know the overwhelming majority of them are speaking from the heart. I want to hear their view. Unlike Legion 1337 who started off calling us a cult and saying we were a psych experiment.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:13 .


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plfranke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh, hello folks.

Being lazy and not checking the pages fast enough. What's news?

Plfranke accused Paxxton of being a troll, some pie banter between me and banshee, and BatmanTurian, who apparently is a veteran of the IT, has come back.


Ah, the two of us are going to be called trolls too at some point I suppose for being too cynical or whatever, it's only a matter of time.

Yeah, I suppose so. He also just insinuated that I'm a troll, too. Great. Now everyone who doesn't fit into his own view of how things should be are trolls.

I actually said I could think of less kind things to call you than troll.

Wow, that's so much better. I guess the person insulting others is farthest away from being a troll, right?

Modifié par estebanus, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

The day Lex becomes a troll is the day I lose all faith in humanity.

I partially welcome hearing why people from the IT thread give up. I know the overwhelming majority of them are speaking from the heart. I want to hear their view. Unlike Legion 1337 who started off calling us a cult and saying we were a psych experiment.


I'm seeing where the story goes in the DLC. I'm with puzzle and IT theory, but if Bioware wants to be... this... then we'll have to swallow a literal ending.

bleh.

Until then, I hold out hope. The latest DLC definitely hints. It's almost like Bioware is elbowing the literalists but they're not paying attention.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

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*BS*


No sorry, No sane person puts concrete on a space station. First, it cracks under humidity and degrades faster than metal and plastic alloys would. Secondly, concrete can't handle the stresses required when spinning the Citadel for gravity. Third, concrete is porous. Atmosphere would leak through the inevitable cracks. Fourth, the strength of concrete would not hold in atmosphere.

No, you're just crazy or in denial if you think those structures are concrete on the Citadel.


"Concrete or concrete-like".  This is a future afterall, in a sci-fi universe with mass effect fields.

The Citadel is not just some space station, much less a 20th century Earth space station. And why does it have to be 100% concrete or 100% metal? The superstructure is some kind of alloy the Reapers know how to make. The insides are constructed by the Citadel races. And there are plenty of walls and floors on the Citadel with those shallow grooves running in straight line. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever that indicates the Citadel is 100% metallic with no concrete or concrete-like material used whatsoever.

What is with the hostility?

Modifié par The Twilight God, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:26 .


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@plfranke
These guys have been on IT threads from the very start of it. If they are discussing irrelevant things from time to time (which also is knd of a trademark of it discussion from the very beginning) they do it, because they've already forgot more things about IT than you could ever come up with, so how about you just calm down a bit?

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@estebanus...sorry didn't see you there ;)

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@Estabanus
Everyone knows my stance in this thread. I speculate, I defend literalists that come into this theory and believe in viewing both sides objectively. I above all hate the ending. I'm also friendly to everyone from the get go, but I can be agressive, when necessary.

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The Twilight God wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

*BS*


No sorry, No sane person puts concrete on a space station. First, it cracks under humidity and degrades faster than metal and plastic alloys would. Secondly, concrete can't handle the stresses required when spinning the Citadel for gravity. Third, concrete is porous. Atmosphere would leak through the inevitable cracks. Fourth, the strength of concrete would not hold in atmosphere.

No, you're just crazy or in denial if you think those structures are concrete on the Citadel.


"Concrete or concrete-like".  This is a future afterall, in a sci-fi universe with mass effect fields.

The Citadel is not just some space station, much less a 20th century Earth space station. And why does it have to be 100% concrete or 100% metal? The superstructure is some kind of alloy the Reapers know how to make. The insides are constructed by the Citadel races. And there are plenty of walls and floors on the Citadel with those shallow grooves running in straight line on the Citadel. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever that indicates the Citadel is 100% metallic with no concrete or concrete-like material used whatsoever.

What is with the hostility?


No, hostility, just impatient since this keeps coming up and it's rediculous on its head. Now you're going into total speculation with "concrete-like". I remember playing the Wards in ME1 and 2 and they didn't seem to use concrete. It's just ineffiecient for a space station. Line the outside walls with concrete radiation shielding, but there's no reason to make supports out of concrete inside. Even if they were using it for radiation shielding, it's prone to decay and cracks.

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byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

*BS*


No sorry, No sane person puts concrete on a space station. First, it cracks under humidity and degrades faster than metal and plastic alloys would. Secondly, concrete can't handle the stresses required when spinning the Citadel for gravity. Third, concrete is porous. Atmosphere would leak through the inevitable cracks. Fourth, the strength of concrete would not hold in atmosphere.

No, you're just crazy or in denial if you think those structures are concrete on the Citadel.


Plus, even if the structures he showed as supposedly being concrete buildings actually are concrete, they're on the Presidium ring, and Shep is in the middle on the bottom of the tower.

She's nowhere near those buildings anyways.


He is nowhere near any of that rubble when HArbinger's blast wings him. Besides, I believe he is in one of those corridors like the one he found himself in when he first entered the Citadel. the dangling cables, which are indentical to the ones in the breathe scene, give credence to this assumption. If you look at the wall behind Shepard and the ceiling there is nothing whatsoever to signify that it is absolutely not a concrete-like material. It is all speculation either way.

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byne wrote...

If anyone calls lex0r a troll, I will be very disappoint.

Very disappoint indeed.


What about people calling me a witch hunter?

*browsing through Malleus Maleficarum*

Just kkidding. It's happening pretty often these days. People calling other people trolls just because they don't know better.

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@Estabanus
Everyone knows my stance in this thread. I speculate, I defend literalists that come into this theory and believe in viewing both sides objectively. I above all hate the ending. I'm also friendly to everyone from the get go, but I can be agressive, when necessary.

Oh yeah, I can totally see how this is necessary.  I can totally see how you wanting to call me, Paxxton, and many other people worse things than trolls necessary. Yup, I can see that. Totally. Makes perfect sense to me. Remember when you decided to say that DJBare needed redemtion? Yeah, I can see how that was necessary.

Read your earlier posts, and then consider if that was necessary. If you still think it was, than you're nothing but a deluded ass.

Modifié par estebanus, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:23 .


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At the risk of spamming here but, does anybody know about anything to come out of PAX, IT or otherwise? (unless I am completely misguided and Biowares panel hasn't happened yet)

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The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

*BS*


No sorry, No sane person puts concrete on a space station. First, it cracks under humidity and degrades faster than metal and plastic alloys would. Secondly, concrete can't handle the stresses required when spinning the Citadel for gravity. Third, concrete is porous. Atmosphere would leak through the inevitable cracks. Fourth, the strength of concrete would not hold in atmosphere.

No, you're just crazy or in denial if you think those structures are concrete on the Citadel.


Plus, even if the structures he showed as supposedly being concrete buildings actually are concrete, they're on the Presidium ring, and Shep is in the middle on the bottom of the tower.

She's nowhere near those buildings anyways.


He is nowhere near any of that rubble when HArbinger's blast wings him. Besides, I believe he is in one of those corridors like the one he found himself in when he first entered the Citadel. the dangling cables, which are indentical to the ones in the breathe scene, give credence to this assumption. If you look at the wall behind Shepard and the ceiling there is nothing whatsoever to signify that it is absolutely not a concrete-like material. It is all speculation either way.


You're either forgetting or unaware that I think the hallucination starts when the transport crashes, not when Shep is hit by the beam.

Theres rubble that looks pretty damned similar at the top of the hill where the transport crashed.

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Ahh okay, I thought this was a place for speculating and building the theory. However, it seems the literalists who come in here are right about you guys. You just pat each other on the backs, can't accept realities and push anyone out that doesn't fall in line. Enjoy your kool aid, I'll be in the real indoctrination thread

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The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

*BS*


No sorry, No sane person puts concrete on a space station. First, it cracks under humidity and degrades faster than metal and plastic alloys would. Secondly, concrete can't handle the stresses required when spinning the Citadel for gravity. Third, concrete is porous. Atmosphere would leak through the inevitable cracks. Fourth, the strength of concrete would not hold in atmosphere.

No, you're just crazy or in denial if you think those structures are concrete on the Citadel.


Plus, even if the structures he showed as supposedly being concrete buildings actually are concrete, they're on the Presidium ring, and Shep is in the middle on the bottom of the tower.

She's nowhere near those buildings anyways.


He is nowhere near any of that rubble when HArbinger's blast wings him. Besides, I believe he is in one of those corridors like the one he found himself in when he first entered the Citadel. the dangling cables, which are indentical to the ones in the breathe scene, give credence to this assumption. If you look at the wall behind Shepard and the ceiling there is nothing whatsoever to signify that it is absolutely not a concrete-like material. It is all speculation either way.


Excuse me, but the "cables" in the citadel entry are far bigger in diameter that the ones in the breath scene.

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estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@Estabanus
Everyone knows my stance in this thread. I speculate, I defend literalists that come into this theory and believe in viewing both sides objectively. I above all hate the ending. I'm also friendly to everyone from the get go, but I can be agressive, when necessary.

Oh yeah, I can totally see how this is necessary.  I can totally see how you wanting to call me, Paxxton, and many other people worse things than trolls necessary. Yup, Ican see that. Totally. Makes perfect sense to me.

Read your earlier posts, and then consider if that was necessary. If you still think it was, than you're nothing but a deluded ass.


Eh, maybe we should let it go. What do you think?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@Estabanus
Everyone knows my stance in this thread. I speculate, I defend literalists that come into this theory and believe in viewing both sides objectively. I above all hate the ending. I'm also friendly to everyone from the get go, but I can be agressive, when necessary.

Oh yeah, I can totally see how this is necessary.  I can totally see how you wanting to call me, Paxxton, and many other people worse things than trolls necessary. Yup, Ican see that. Totally. Makes perfect sense to me.

Read your earlier posts, and then consider if that was necessary. If you still think it was, than you're nothing but a deluded ass.


Eh, maybe we should let it go. What do you think?

Yes.

#17721
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plfranke wrote...

Ahh okay, I thought this was a place for speculating and building the theory. However, it seems the literalists who come in here are right about you guys. You just pat each other on the backs, can't accept realities and push anyone out that doesn't fall in line. Enjoy your kool aid, I'll be in the real indoctrination thread


It's actually not like that. But please come back when you calm down.

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plfranke wrote...

Ahh okay, I thought this was a place for speculating and building the theory. However, it seems the literalists who come in here are right about you guys. You just pat each other on the backs, can't accept realities and push anyone out that doesn't fall in line. Enjoy your kool aid, I'll be in the real indoctrination thread


I dont even know what you're talking about.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I've thought this through and the only logical conclusion to Bioware's ambiguous ambiguity is obvious:
There is subliminal advertising on the bsn. They are making millions off us speculating. This also explains why I woke up at Walmart at 3:45am with a cart filled with waterproof matches, a gallon of 2% milk, 1 truck tire, a half empty box of condoms, and federal premium 45 ammo. Just didn't make any sense. I never shop at Walmart

I'm commander shepard and this is my favourite post on the citadel.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Nice to see some of the it veterans still going strong (byne of course, batman turian,lexxor). Are there more of the oldtimers still around? Earthbornshepard, arian?

Any official news relating to IT that i have missed?

There's a PAX panel tomorrow on reaching out to BioWare fans. Probably webcast.
http://www.livestream.com/biowaretv 

 

Has anyone been watching this? I watched about 2 minutes then was overcome by the urge to tidy or watch paint dry. It was that boring.

Skillz1986 wrote...

@plfranke
These guys have been on IT threads from the very start of it. If they are discussing irrelevant things from time to time (which also is knd of a trademark of it discussion from the very beginning) they do it, because they've already forgot more things about IT than you could ever come up with, so how about you just calm down a bit?

 

Everybody chill. I like that there's some discussion going on here.

Did anyone see my Leviathan sound files dump from a few pages back? There was some interesting stuff there.

Also, I'm thinking about reworking some of ME3's music with a bit of synthesis ;) Anybody got any ideas for tracks from the game that could sound good in a sort of 112bpm moombahton style version? :lol:

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Ytook wrote...

At the risk of spamming here but, does anybody know about anything to come out of PAX, IT or otherwise? (unless I am completely misguided and Biowares panel hasn't happened yet)


Weekes is on the DA3 team with Drew now is all I heard.

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plfranke wrote...

Ahh okay, I thought this was a place for speculating and building the theory. However, it seems the literalists who come in here are right about you guys. You just pat each other on the backs, can't accept realities and push anyone out that doesn't fall in line. Enjoy your kool aid, I'll be in the real indoctrination thread

You go ahead. I may have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but I won't stop you.

Please, come back later after you've calmed down. By all means. Drink some tea. It'll make you calmer.

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