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[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Well, it's getting late, so I'll be going now. Goodnight, everyone!

Have a pleasant night Estebanusister!  

You too. See ya!

Goodnight!

Modifié par paxxton, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:09 .

[BatmanTurian]

The Twilight God wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

No, hostility, just impatient since this keeps coming up and it's rediculous on its head. Now you're going into total speculation with "concrete-like". I remember playing the Wards in ME1 and 2 and they didn't seem to use concrete. It's just ineffiecient for a space station. Line the outside walls with concrete radiation shielding, but there's no reason to make supports out of concrete inside. Even if they were using it for radiation shielding, it's prone to decay and cracks.

How is it ridiculous? Please ellaborate.

Yes, we are speculating. Everything concerning the locale of the breathe scene is speculation. We have no way of knowing what that rubble is compased of; Metal, a form of concrete or something else alltogether. I have no clue what the wards are made off. Neither do you. The Council Chambers look like mostly concrete to me. The floors also don't sound metallic. But then once you walk up the stairs, the area around the podium is metal. There is even a change in sound effect to reflect this. The Presidium looks like finished concrete as well. So do the wards. The rails look metallic and certain areas have metallic floors, which have their own sound effect.

Citadel looks like this to me.





I don't think either of us are qualified to state what is or isn't efficient for space station in the year 2186 in the mass effect universe. 

How about we just agree to disagree. I will never believe that they would use concrete on the Citadel except to line the *edit* insides of structures and reactors to protect from radiation. If Shepard went through a wall after that explosion or fell after it collapsed, maybe but that doesn't sound like something even the Bionic Spectre would survive.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:12 .

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Rif You and Megumi never really got along did you? And I've been meaning to ask you: What does your name mean?

I don't know.  There may have been a time before she opened her mouth and spewed forth toxic failure.  Name's an anagram for "Inferno."  I had a wizard on Everquest with the name for... a week?  I forget.  I don't really care for it.  I don't know what I was thinking when I signed up this account, but I clearly was not planning on posting with it. 

[TSA_383]

Vibez wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Did anyone see my Leviathan sound files dump from a few pages back? There was some interesting stuff there.

Actually I did. A couple days ago I lurked in these audio files too. What's most suprising for me is the overall amount of them. If you listen to random files in the catalog you will hear not only Levi sound files, or new catalyst dialog options, but also, for example, death of Zaeed. Or Garrus talking about blue babies. I mean, what's the point in putting already existing files again in the DLC? There's over six and a half thousand of them! I haven't yet looked into amount of the original audio files to compare, but this looks to me like they put whole another full-game sound catalog in the files, to - for example - cover every minor change they did throughout entire game with the DLC release. That would be the best way to hide that fact. I mean, who's gonna listen all 6500 files and compare?

Also, file #2710 to #2729. Learning dog to fetch and sit? Where the hell thought the game was any dog we played with? :| In addition, it's preety weirdly put in between completely not related lines. Before #2710 and after #2730 there are strictly Cortez ones.

Sounds like those and the files around it are deck 5 sounds. There's actually a surprising number of sounds for things that aren't in the game yet. Hence how I found the sound files that start the retake omega quest.

Oh, and the original game had just over 44000 sound files, but that includes SFX as well as dialog.

[TSA_383]

Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Rif You and Megumi never really got along did you? And I've been meaning to ask you: What does your name mean?

I don't know.  There may have been a time before she opened her mouth and spewed forth toxic failure.  Name's an anagram for "Inferno."  I had a wizard on Everquest with the name for... a week?  I forget.  I don't really care for it.  I don't know what I was thinking when I signed up this account, but I clearly was not planning on posting with it. 

Fun fact: My name is an anagram of "Heroic Sword".

I'm that cool.

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think many underestimate HOW bad the writing would have to be for the endings to be literal. It would be like they condensed every atom of brad writing they had in them into the last 15 minutes.

Agreed. That's why I find it so unlikely. Here's something I said:

Basically if the literal endings are true (regardless of breaking themes and lore) it means Shepard and all of Shepard's friends and allies are just stubborn idiots. They should have listened to the antagonists (Saren, TIM, Reapers) the whole time. Instead they're just soldiers only able to look at the world down the barrel of a gun. That would not only make no sense at all from a writing perspective, but it would be totally, totally lame.

I also want someone to ask why the apparent moral of the story was something like this:
“The villains were right all along; the hero and associates were just too stubborn to realize it. Also, free will sucks, and gets everyone killed. Better to force something on everything in the galaxy."

Here's how I see it: Whether intentionally or not, BW has in fact indoctrinated much of the playerbase. The fun thing about that is you can't really argue it, because said portion of the playerbase aligned themselves with the reapers willingly. If BW didn't intend this, they indoctrinated themselves, much like what the reapers may have done.

Best evidence for IT: The utter improbability that Bioware would write such an awesome, deep game with such great lore and characters, then apparently forget all of those characters, break the lore, and release a generally unsatisfying end the their awesome trilogy. The end of ME3 is arguably the most important part of the series. But then, after that, release more awesomely written DLC. How could they be awesome, screw up very badly, then be awesome again? Doesn't make any sense! So my biggest piece of IT evidence is BW screwing up that badly, because it simply makes less sense than the endings!

TL;DR, if the literal endings are true, what the hell happended at bioware? No. Seriously. I want to know. I don't understand.

Dat post...sums up the implications of the 'literal' ending being meant as is perfectly.

[Hrothdane]

While we are on the topic of dreams, I typically know that I'm in a dream, but I always seem to have a matter-of-fact approach to it. Kinda like "Oh, look. I'm dreaming. Let's see what happens this time." Maybe that's part of the reason I felt like some weird **** was going down at the ending before even knowing about IT.

99% of the time when I don't realize it's a dream, I will be having some kind of anxiety dream. 99% of the time those will involve me either 1. Realizing I never actually finished high school or 2. Realizing it is the end of the semester and I have a class I either never went to or forgot about.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

I've never understood the idea that the geth and EDI could be easily replaced.

You could recreate their bodies, sure, but both the geth and EDI were based on Reaper code. It'd be kind of hard to replace them.

And even if you did, they wouldnt be the same, just copies.

ME2 Legion: Shepard-Commander, I'm glad to see you didn't take the Old Machine's technology even on your own terms.  You are more like us than we thought.

ME3 Legion:  Shepard-Commander, I have to sacrifice myself to give all geth the Old Machine's technology on our terms.  Bye.

Seems like AI's replace their personalities by themselves pretty often anyway. <_<

[BansheeOwnage]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Plus there's that whole codex entry that states that changing an AI's blackbox fundamentally changes their personality. So in essence, even recovering and storing their memories in a new quantum computer would still be a new being and not resurrecting the original

Bluebox, but yeah. They cannot be replaced.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...


If you're curious, my literalist ending of choice is still Synthesis though Leviathan almost changed that.

Don't want to start an argument, but you're okay with forcing something on billions of people? And trees? And plants and shrubs? AND GRASS? Oh the horror!

I'm not okay with it but I found it preferable to killing off an entire species of allies.

Except for the grass...the grass had it coming

I wouldn't call a bunch of machines that could easily be replaced a "species", but I understand.

I've never understood the idea that the geth and EDI could be easily replaced.

You could recreate their bodies, sure, but both the geth and EDI were based on Reaper code. It'd be kind of hard to replace them.

And even if you did, they wouldnt be the same, just copies.

RvB spoilers:

This is why I still am not exactly ok with Church being Epsilon. Though I think currently Banshee is probably the only one here who even understands the reference

Oi!  Did you forget about me?  I get the reference too, you know!  And I don't know.  I mean, if Epsilon looks like Church, walks like Church, acts like Church, and talks like Church (And he DEFINITELY talks like Church.), then for all intents and purposes, given that Alpha Church is dead, he is Church.  He's not the same Church, but he's Church.  Does that make sense?

[BatmanTurian]

Hrothdane wrote...

While we are on the topic of dreams, I typically know that I'm in a dream, but I always seem to have a matter-of-fact approach to it. Kinda like "Oh, look. I'm dreaming. Let's see what happens this time." Maybe that's part of the reason I felt like some weird **** was going down at the ending before even knowing about IT.

99% of the time when I don't realize it's a dream, I will be having some kind of anxiety dream. 99% of the time those will involve me either 1. Realizing I never actually finished high school or 2. Realizing it is the end of the semester and I have a class I either never went to or forgot about.

Double for me, except for the school part. That's long behind me.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Rif You and Megumi never really got along did you? And I've been meaning to ask you: What does your name mean?

I don't know.  There may have been a time before she opened her mouth and spewed forth toxic failure.  Name's an anagram for "Inferno."  I had a wizard on Everquest with the name for... a week?  I forget.  I don't really care for it.  I don't know what I was thinking when I signed up this account, but I clearly was not planning on posting with it. 

Dunno why but I thought Rifneno seemed like a good name for a sheep. Maybe it's that avatar.  And yes, I do know that's not a sheep.

Modifié par paxxton, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Oi!  Did you forget about me?  I get the reference too, you know!  And I don't know.  I mean, if Epsilon looks like Church, walks like Church, acts like Church, and talks like Church (And he DEFINITELY talks like Church.), then for all intents and purposes, given that Alpha Church is dead, he is Church.  He's not the same Church, but he's Church.  Does that make sense?

I didnt realize you were here! I must not be paying good attention.

And yeah, that makes sense.

Though I still prefer my headcanon that Alpha transferred himself into Epsilon somehow right before the EMP went off.

Would explain how he seems to know how things should be, even when Caboose was the one who explained everything to him.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

While we are on the topic of dreams, I typically know that I'm in a dream, but I always seem to have a matter-of-fact approach to it. Kinda like "Oh, look. I'm dreaming. Let's see what happens this time." Maybe that's part of the reason I felt like some weird **** was going down at the ending before even knowing about IT.

99% of the time when I don't realize it's a dream, I will be having some kind of anxiety dream. 99% of the time those will involve me either 1. Realizing I never actually finished high school or 2. Realizing it is the end of the semester and I have a class I either never went to or forgot about.

I wish I was better at lucid dreaming.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think many underestimate HOW bad the writing would have to be for the endings to be literal. It would be like they condensed every atom of brad writing they had in them into the last 15 minutes.

Agreed. That's why I find it so unlikely. Here's something I said:

Basically if the literal endings are true (regardless of breaking themes and lore) it means Shepard and all of Shepard's friends and allies are just stubborn idiots. They should have listened to the antagonists (Saren, TIM, Reapers) the whole time. Instead they're just soldiers only able to look at the world down the barrel of a gun. That would not only make no sense at all from a writing perspective, but it would be totally, totally lame.

I also want someone to ask why the apparent moral of the story was something like this:
“The villains were right all along; the hero and associates were just too stubborn to realize it. Also, free will sucks, and gets everyone killed. Better to force something on everything in the galaxy."

Here's how I see it: Whether intentionally or not, BW has in fact indoctrinated much of the playerbase. The fun thing about that is you can't really argue it, because said portion of the playerbase aligned themselves with the reapers willingly. If BW didn't intend this, they indoctrinated themselves, much like what the reapers may have done.

Best evidence for IT: The utter improbability that Bioware would write such an awesome, deep game with such great lore and characters, then apparently forget all of those characters, break the lore, and release a generally unsatisfying end the their awesome trilogy. The end of ME3 is arguably the most important part of the series. But then, after that, release more awesomely written DLC. How could they be awesome, screw up very badly, then be awesome again? Doesn't make any sense! So my biggest piece of IT evidence is BW screwing up that badly, because it simply makes less sense than the endings!

TL;DR, if the literal endings are true, what the hell happended at bioware? No. Seriously. I want to know. I don't understand.

Dat post...sums up the implications of the 'literal' ending being meant as is perfectly.

Thanks!

[Nightingale]

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know.  There may have been a time before she opened her mouth and spewed forth toxic failure.  Name's an anagram for "Inferno."  I had a wizard on Everquest with the name for... a week?  I forget.  I don't really care for it.  I don't know what I was thinking when I signed up this account, but I clearly was not planning on posting with it. 

That's actually not a bad name, though.
But if you insist, we should start a club for people with names they never intended to use!

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

I've never understood the idea that the geth and EDI could be easily replaced.

You could recreate their bodies, sure, but both the geth and EDI were based on Reaper code. It'd be kind of hard to replace them.

And even if you did, they wouldnt be the same, just copies.

ME2 Legion: Shepard-Commander, I'm glad to see you didn't take the Old Machine's technology even on your own terms.  You are more like us than we thought.

ME3 Legion:  Shepard-Commander, I have to sacrifice myself to give all geth the Old Machine's technology on our terms.  Bye.

Seems like AI's replace their personalities by themselves pretty often anyway. <_<

You forget, the Geth were defenseless without the upgrades.  If Legion hadn't acted, they would have been wiped out.  Self-preservation probably overrode all other considerations.  Just like it does frequently with organics.  We really are more alike than not alike.

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

I've never understood the idea that the geth and EDI could be easily replaced.

You could recreate their bodies, sure, but both the geth and EDI were based on Reaper code. It'd be kind of hard to replace them.

And even if you did, they wouldnt be the same, just copies.

ME2 Legion: Shepard-Commander, I'm glad to see you didn't take the Old Machine's technology even on your own terms.  You are more like us than we thought.

ME3 Legion:  Shepard-Commander, I have to sacrifice myself to give all geth the Old Machine's technology on our terms.  Bye.

Seems like AI's replace their personalities by themselves pretty often anyway. <_<

Well, I would call such a 180 degree turn suspicious, but the Geth were under pressure from the Quarians and it wasn't just heretics, if I remember correctly. Therefore, assuming that Legion and the Geth were tricked by the Reapers like Shepard was (according to IT) isn't an explaination for that, I think.

Edit: 'd

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[BatmanTurian]

DrTsoni wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know.  There may have been a time before she opened her mouth and spewed forth toxic failure.  Name's an anagram for "Inferno."  I had a wizard on Everquest with the name for... a week?  I forget.  I don't really care for it.  I don't know what I was thinking when I signed up this account, but I clearly was not planning on posting with it. 

That's actually not a bad name, though.
But if you insist, we should start a club for people with names they never intended to use!

Mine was actually supposed to be TurianBatman but the Bioware support guy that helped me get my account when I was having trouble typed it in all dyslexic. I was like " Fine, cool. whatever, I can live with it."

[TheConstantOne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

While we are on the topic of dreams, I typically know that I'm in a dream, but I always seem to have a matter-of-fact approach to it. Kinda like "Oh, look. I'm dreaming. Let's see what happens this time." Maybe that's part of the reason I felt like some weird **** was going down at the ending before even knowing about IT.

99% of the time when I don't realize it's a dream, I will be having some kind of anxiety dream. 99% of the time those will involve me either 1. Realizing I never actually finished high school or 2. Realizing it is the end of the semester and I have a class I either never went to or forgot about.

I wish I was better at lucid dreaming.

I have had a dream about option 2 more times than I care to count.  I always wake up in the mood of "Oh ****!" It takes a few minutes of reality checking to get myself back in order

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

You forget, the Geth were defenseless without the upgrades. If Legion hadn't acted, they would have been wiped out. Self-preservation probably overrode all other considerations. Just like it does frequently with organics. We really are more alike than not alike.

Nope. Legion builds a sword and jumps on it after Shepard makes peace with the quarians. He starts the upload first but by the time Legion realizes he has to sacrifice himself because an upload is insufficent, Shepard has already managed a ceasefire.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Though I still prefer my headcanon that Alpha transferred himself into Epsilon somehow right before the EMP went off.

Would explain how he seems to know how things should be, even when Caboose was the one who explained everything to him.

I have a headcanon where Alpha uses Maine's time dilation effect to escape somehow. It used to be more refined.

[FFZero]

Another thing I thing I just remembered that I'm facepalming over not notcing before. Ann Bryson says at the end of the DLC she's still indoctrinated, now what project does she end up working on? The Crucible and she's asked to work on it by Hackett.

Now I'm not a believer in the Hackett's indoctrianted theory but he must've known about everything to do with Leviathan, it's ability to influence organics/reapers for example, and also everything that's happened to Ann Bryson, so why in the hell would he let her work on the Crucible?

[The Twilight God]

Home run MF wrote...

Excuse me, but the "cables" in the citadel entry are far bigger in diameter that the ones in the breath scene.

Not all of them. They vary is girth just as they are of varying girth in the breathe scene. However, there is the matter of optical perspective to consider. You're also assuming he is in the exact same corridor. I'd like to also note that the cables are in pairs in the breath scene just like those cables were run mostly in pairs in that corridor.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Though I still prefer my headcanon that Alpha transferred himself into Epsilon somehow right before the EMP went off.

Would explain how he seems to know how things should be, even when Caboose was the one who explained everything to him.

I have a headcanon where Alpha uses Maine's time dilation effect to escape somehow. It used to be more refined.

So, I dont think you ever responded earlier. Do you think we'll see Donut and Lopez again in the next story episode, considering they're going back to Valhalla?