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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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The Twilight God wrote...

byne wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

When you said "shuttle crash" you had me confused. I thought you meant a kodiak shuttle.

I'm going to have to disagree.

1. Those are huge horizontally aligned slabs.
2. Their coloration is wrong.
3. The lack the shallow groove pattern.
4. There are no paired cables nor anywhere for the cables to hang from.
5. There are no pillar shaped debris in that scene. The breath scene has broken pillar shaped debris.


I'm not saying its exactly there, as the transport is a bit farther back. I just think it occurs somewhere near there.


Sp just a hunch then?

Where exactly do you think the dream or hallucinations start?


Like I said, when the transport gets crashes.

Its oddly never referenced again, and we dont know why it crashed. Everything after that cut to black seems weird

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Going back to the audio spectrum analyzer again, it does confirm infrasonic noise (20 Hz or below) for both the artifact as well as Leviathan when he probes your mind and everything starts shaking. Following that, I think Shepard has a nose bleed or something which I think Ann also got when Leviathan controlled her.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Vibez wrote...

Audio #2800: cl.ly/2E421B3F2X3K
Audio #2801: cl.ly/0R0C0k3V2g0w
Audio #2802: cl.ly/0f2t242V2J06

Original scene: www.youtube.com/watch

I believe these are from the dreams. They are all rerecorded, which is interesting on its own. Anyway, did Leviathan change any dreams?


Someone said that they changed some of the noises in the first dream.


supposedly the old warped reaper noises have been replaced with clearer old reaper language.

Really?
That would have interesting implications.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Vibez wrote...

Audio #2800: cl.ly/2E421B3F2X3K
Audio #2801: cl.ly/0R0C0k3V2g0w
Audio #2802: cl.ly/0f2t242V2J06

Original scene: www.youtube.com/watch

I believe these are from the dreams. They are all rerecorded, which is interesting on its own. Anyway, did Leviathan change any dreams?

 
Yup, not even sure these are any different from the originals.

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TSA_383 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

supposedly the old warped reaper noises have been replaced with clearer old reaper language.

Really?
That would have interesting implications.


That's what I read on here. I haven't heard it for myself yet.

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Intriguing ,but I still find it hard to believe that Shepard would survive a mini-super nova. No matter how much you tell me Shep is in concrete on the citadel, surviving the heat of a mini-sun is really stretching believability. I guess we'll never really know unless Bioware tells us or shows us and they've been tight-lipped about it.


Mini-super nova? You could be referring to one of many things. Please ellaborate.

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The Twilight God wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Intriguing ,but I still find it hard to believe that Shepard would survive a mini-super nova. No matter how much you tell me Shep is in concrete on the citadel, surviving the heat of a mini-sun is really stretching believability. I guess we'll never really know unless Bioware tells us or shows us and they've been tight-lipped about it.


Mini-super nova? You could be referring to one of many things. Please ellaborate.



The explosion in destroy. It's huge. Shepard is at ground zero. Anyone got a pic handy?

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Yo dawg, I heard you can control us. The Illusive Man couldn't control us because we were controlling him when he was controlling you.

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Well, I think I'll be off. See you all later.

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magnetite wrote...

Going back to the audio spectrum analyzer again, it does confirm infrasonic noise (20 Hz or below) for both the artifact as well as Leviathan when he probes your mind and everything starts shaking. Following that, I think Shepard has a nose bleed or something which I think Ann also got when Leviathan controlled her.

Artifact:
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Leviathan:
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I've been analysing some signals during my lab exercises at my university for past few years, and I would say information in this particular ones are - typically called - "garbage". They might be the leftovers from post production with no intentional meaning, or simply play a role of a 'sound effect' for people with descent subwoofers at their homes. Either way, I wouldn't look much into it :)

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Yup, not even sure these are any different from the originals.


You guys are right. Didn't occur to me at the moment.^_^

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*snip*


thank you very much. I went off to Parabolee's blog to find it and couldn't find it.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Yo dawg, I heard you can control us. The Illusive Man couldn't control us because we were controlling him when he was controlling you.


But I can? Okay, great, since it's settled.

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Dwailing wrote...

Well, I think I'll be off. See you all later.


bye

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spotlessvoid wrote...

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I hope that after seeing this Chris Priestly won't say again that the breath scene was Shepard's last breath. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:41 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
*snip*


thank you very much. I went off to Parabolee's blog to find it and couldn't find it.


As you can clearly see from the picture, Shepard is protected by some red x shaped force field. Obviously, he must have been on the citadel.

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byne wrote...

Like I said, when the transport gets crashes.

Its oddly never referenced again, and we dont know why it crashed. Everything after that cut to black seems weird


From the look of it... the forward area was hit. It was on fire. Considering Harbionger let Shepard live it's plausible he just wanted to stop it as not to kill Shepard.

What I find odd is that the Alliance symbol is focused on when the scene starts (it pans out from that symbol), but then it vanishes off the wall the nexy time you see it. When coats and your squad stand up.But that occurs before the "crash".

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spotlessvoid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
*snip*


thank you very much. I went off to Parabolee's blog to find it and couldn't find it.


As you can clearly see from the picture, Shepard is protected by some red x shaped force field. Obviously, he must have been on the citadel.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
*snip*


thank you very much. I went off to Parabolee's blog to find it and couldn't find it.


As you can clearly see from the picture, Shepard is protected by some red x shaped force field. Obviously, he must have been on the citadel.


Clearly, this is the case. Yes.

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magnetite wrote...

Going back to the audio spectrum analyzer again, it does confirm infrasonic noise (20 Hz or below) for both the artifact as well as Leviathan when he probes your mind and everything starts shaking. Following that, I think Shepard has a nose bleed or something which I think Ann also got when Leviathan controlled her.

Artifact:
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Leviathan:
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There's nothing significant on at least the Artifact one (probably the other one too really), which is the one you'd expect it on if they were using it.
This is the problem with log scales :lol:

Also, bumping this because it was curious:

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Another thing I thing I just remembered that I'm facepalming over not notcing before. Ann Bryson says at the end of the DLC she's still indoctrinated, now what project does she end up working on? The Crucible and she's asked to work on it by Hackett. 

Now I'm not a believer in the Hackett's indoctrianted theory but he must've known about everything to do with Leviathan, it's ability to influence organics/reapers for example, and also everything that's happened to Ann Bryson, so why in the hell would he let her work on the Crucible?



What exactly did bryson say at the end? Something about being indoctrinated and just waiting for the command?
Doesn't that show the idea that Shepard can be part-indoctrinated all along and it just gets "activated" at the end.

Also, something that comes back to me because of this - it's implied in Priority:Surkesh that there may be a mole on your ship, or that cerberus is tracking your movements.
Shortly after, there's the dream sequence that ends with you waking up with the datapad in hand.
Interesting...

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If you reactivate the shield during the first QTE, Ann says to Shepard that she senses that Leviathan wants to kill him.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:01 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

Also, bumping this because it was curious:

FFZero wrote...

Another thing I thing I just remembered that I'm facepalming over not notcing before. Ann Bryson says at the end of the DLC she's still indoctrinated, now what project does she end up working on? The Crucible and she's asked to work on it by Hackett. 

Now I'm not a believer in the Hackett's indoctrianted theory but he must've known about everything to do with Leviathan, it's ability to influence organics/reapers for example, and also everything that's happened to Ann Bryson, so why in the hell would he let her work on the Crucible?



What exactly did bryson say at the end? Something about being indoctrinated and just waiting for the command?
Doesn't that show the idea that Shepard can be part-indoctrinated all along and it just gets "activated" at the end.

Also, something that comes back to me because of this - it's implied in Priority:Surkesh that there may be a mole on your ship, or that cerberus is tracking your movements.
Shortly after, there's the dream sequence that ends with you waking up with the datapad in hand.
Interesting...



Now see this.... this is the s**t that keeps me up late at night, staring into the dark, wondering what the hell happened in the game I played.

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I've been analysing some signals during my lab exercises at my university for past few years, and I would say information in this particular ones are - typically called - "garbage". They might be the leftovers from post production with no intentional meaning, or simply play a role of a 'sound effect' for people with descent subwoofers at their homes. Either way, I wouldn't look much into it :)


I just thought because Reapers indoctrinate people with infrasound (< 20 Hz), that if the file had stuff below 20 Hz that it would certainly mean something. Shepard complains of headaches and such that it might also be a hint.

Not to mention when Leviathan probed Shepard's mind he did complain of a headache after. Kind of like in the ending.

I'm just speculating though.

Modifié par magnetite, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:58 .


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IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.

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Mike Gamble said a piece of rebar fell on Shepard on Earth. Citadel doesn't have rebar on it I don't think.

Modifié par magnetite, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:01 .


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Speaking of nuclear-sized explosions, that Reaper capital ship at the end of Leviathan was powering up its main gun. Estimates place a capital ship's main gun at around 130-450kt. Why was it firing its city-destroyer at a single shuttle? Was it aiming at the Leviathans themselves deep in the ocean?