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Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.

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Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?

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Speaking of nuclear-sized explosions, that Reaper capital ship at the end of Leviathan was powering up its main gun. Estimates place a capital ship's main gun at around 130-450kt. Why was it firing its city-destroyer at a single shuttle? Was it aiming at the Leviathans themselves deep in the ocean?


Maybe it has a zoom capability and it's computer brain can calculate the trajectory more accurately than any organic could, maybe even more accurately than EDI.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?


And why did he fly out? Oh yes, it was the explosion he shouldn't have survived... that sent him out into the vaccum without a helmet... and if he survived that, then he impacted a street on the wards with pretty terrific force and speed.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of nuclear-sized explosions, that Reaper capital ship at the end of Leviathan was powering up its main gun. Estimates place a capital ship's main gun at around 130-450kt. Why was it firing its city-destroyer at a single shuttle? Was it aiming at the Leviathans themselves deep in the ocean?


Maybe it has a zoom capability and it's computer brain can calculate the trajectory more accurately than any organic could, maybe even more accurately than EDI.


Oh I'm sure they could.  I wasn't saying it wasn't possible that they could hit the Leviathans from up there.  I was just under the impression that it was going to fire at Shepard's shuttle and realized it wouldn't be using its main gun for that.

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Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of nuclear-sized explosions, that Reaper capital ship at the end of Leviathan was powering up its main gun. Estimates place a capital ship's main gun at around 130-450kt. Why was it firing its city-destroyer at a single shuttle? Was it aiming at the Leviathans themselves deep in the ocean?


Maybe it has a zoom capability and it's computer brain can calculate the trajectory more accurately than any organic could, maybe even more accurately than EDI.


Oh I'm sure they could.  I wasn't saying it wasn't possible that they could hit the Leviathans from up there.  I was just under the impression that it was going to fire at Shepard's shuttle and realized it wouldn't be using its main gun for that.


Maybe it's a mistake or they used the main cannons to make the moment more dramatic... who knows... I understand your confusion though. I was also like " Wow, that's overkill. Apparently, he didn't get the memo from Harby about keeping Shepard alive. "

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.


But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?


I like how literalist logic always has Shepard surviving stuff that would make Superman go "Goddamn that hurt!"

My favorite though is when literalists agree the breath scene is on Earth, but only because Shepard survived the 100,000 tons of TNT explosion and was knocked into the unforgiving omnideath known as the vaccuum of outer space, then continued flying until he passed through Earth's even less forgiving atmosphere, something NASA describes as "the hardest part of space travel", then fell mile after mile after mile until he landed on a bunch of broken concrete.  ...  And he survived.

Then they (female mabari) about Starbinger's logic.  Leave it to literalists to make Starbinger look like the reasonable one.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?

He was thrown to a Ward wing by the blast, skated on it to Earth and lied down on broken concrete in front of the beam.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?


And why did he fly out? Oh yes, it was the explosion he shouldn't have survived..that sent him out into the vaccum without a helmet... and if he survived that, then he impacted a street on the wards with pretty terrific force and speed.

sounds completely plausible. And clearly there is rubble where he is at so it must have been where the explosion was. His super advanced armor that totally wasn't burnt off by Harbinger's blast protected him.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:29 .


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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?

He was thrown to a Ward wing by the blast, skated on it to Earth and lied down on broken concrete in front of the beam.


That's so stupid I don't even know what to say.

Except this, apparently.

EDIT: not saying you're stupid or that you believe this, mind you.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:27 .


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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?

He was thrown to a Ward wing by the blast, skated on it to Earth and lied down on broken concrete in front of the beam.


so he is on Earth AND the Citadel. Ah

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BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.



But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?

He was thrown to a Ward wing by the blast, skated on it to Earth and lied down on broken concrete in front of the beam.


That's so stupid I don't even know what to say.

Except this, apparently.

EDIT: not saying you're stupid or that you believe this, mind you.

I get the joke. Forgot to put jk at the end of my post. Posted Image

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[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.[/quote]

Funny you mention that because wind would blow the dust away. That sounds like an indoor area. Like a draft. All that is required in for warmer air to meet cooler air and ventilation ducts. The dust seems to be "blowing" upward slowly. 

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That could be a london subway tunnel, where shepard fell through after nearly getting hit by harbinger's beam. :devil:

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The Twilight God wrote...

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.


Funny you mention that because wind would blow the dust away. That sounds like an indoor area. Like a draft. All that is required in for warmer air to meet cooler air and ventilation ducts. The dust seems to be "blowing" upward slowly. 


That could be a london subway tunnel, where shepard fell through after nearly getting hit by harbinger's beam. :devil:


The last thing Shepard hears before dying from blood loss: "Mind the gap"

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .


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demersel wrote...
That could be a london subway tunnel, where shepard fell through after nearly getting hit by harbinger's beam. :devil:

You mean like there was an unsecured manhole by the beam.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 septembre 2012 - 01:40 .


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M - ost
A - nticipated
S - ci-Fi
S - tory

E - ntices
F - ans
F - alsely
E - liciting
C - osmic
T - urmoil

Don't know why it popped into my head, but it did.

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So about this phrase: "It is a very elegant solution in a path you already started down."

I just google'd it and found that it was the comment on Synthesis in leaked script.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

M - ost
A - nticipated
S - ci-Fi
S - tory

E - ntices
F - ans
F - alsely
E - liciting
C - osmic
T - urmoil

Don't know why it popped into my head, but it did.

Why falsely? There's the Crucible. Posted Image

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Btw, the word "crucible" means a severe test.

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Well I think it is settled. Shepard is on Earth during the breath scene. If Shepard is on Earth then he/she never went to the Citadel in the first place. If Shepard never went to the Citadel then the whole thing was a dream/hallucination brought on by the near death blast of Harby's beam.

Either that, or I stand by my conclusion that the literallists think that Shepard is in fact Chuck Norris, and he eats space vacuum with an overdose of 100 megaton explosions on the side for a midnight snack.

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desert_beagle wrote...

Well I think it is settled. Shepard is on Earth during the breath scene. If Shepard is on Earth then he/she never went to the Citadel in the first place. If Shepard never went to the Citadel then the whole thing was a dream/hallucination brought on by the near death blast of Harby's beam.

Either that, or I stand by my conclusion that the literallists think that Shepard is in fact Chuck Norris, and he eats space vacuum with an overdose of 100 megaton explosions on the side for a midnight snack.

Don't forget his roundhouse kick omni-blade

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paxxton wrote...

Btw, the word "crucible" means a severe test.


It does mean test, it is also an object in metalergy.  A crucible is used to purify precious metals such as gold, silver, and platinum into pure alloys.  When these metals are mined they have trace elements and other minerals mixed within them and are not up to their full potential or value until these materials are removed.

A crucible is also referred to as the, "refiner's fire," and it is meant to purge these metals and bring them to their full potential.  It takes a skilled craftsman, however, to do this, as too much heat will ruin the metal being purified.  Too much time in the fire will also ruin it.  

Looking at this symbolicly towards Shepard's journey, I can see how the Crucible is so named, and once again it lends itself to the IT very well.  It is also why I feel that the only time we see the breath scene is during the Destroy ending because it is symbolic of Shepard beating and overcoming the Reapers true and most devastating weapon.

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Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IIRC, someone calculated the power an explosion would have to be to get that size. Around 100kt. For reference sake, the Hiroshima fission bomb was around 15kt. But yeah, Shepard's totally on the Citadel. That's not incredibly retarded or anything.


But i thought he flew half a mile through the vacuum of space and crashed through one of the wards?


I like how literalist logic always has Shepard surviving stuff that would make Superman go "Goddamn that hurt!"

My favorite though is when literalists agree the breath scene is on Earth, but only because Shepard survived the 100,000 tons of TNT explosion and was knocked into the unforgiving omnideath known as the vaccuum of outer space, then continued flying until he passed through Earth's even less forgiving atmosphere, something NASA describes as "the hardest part of space travel", then fell mile after mile after mile until he landed on a bunch of broken concrete.  ...  And he survived.

Then they (female mabari) about Starbinger's logic.  Leave it to literalists to make Starbinger look like the reasonable one.

Nah, don't you remember? We're the crazy ones.
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demersel wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Forget the concrete, it's the WIND that makes me doubt the breath is on the citadel.


Funny you mention that because wind would blow the dust away. That sounds like an indoor area. Like a draft. All that is required in for warmer air to meet cooler air and ventilation ducts. The dust seems to be "blowing" upward slowly. 

 
Ever been in a dust storm? ;)

Wind =/= absence of dust/smoke/fog/whatever.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

Well I think it is settled. Shepard is on Earth during the breath scene. If Shepard is on Earth then he/she never went to the Citadel in the first place. If Shepard never went to the Citadel then the whole thing was a dream/hallucination brought on by the near death blast of Harby's beam.

Either that, or I stand by my conclusion that the literallists think that Shepard is in fact Chuck Norris, and he eats space vacuum with an overdose of 100 megaton explosions on the side for a midnight snack.

Don't forget his roundhouse kick omni-blade

Well if that were the case then BioWare really made a huge plot hole.  I mean if Shepard is actually Chuck Norris then why would they need the Crucible to begin with?  All he would have to do is roundhouse kick omni blade a Reaper dreadnought and it would instantly desintigrate into nothing.

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paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Snip...

Why falsely? There's the Crucible. Posted Image


I did say that I didn't know why it popped into my head...I just thought it was odd that something could fit into the letters so well and do a fair job of explaining what it was about...if you would like, you could try it for yourself and see if you come up with something different for the "F". Posted Image