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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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desert_beagle wrote...

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Well I think it is settled. Shepard is on Earth during the breath scene. If Shepard is on Earth then he/she never went to the Citadel in the first place. If Shepard never went to the Citadel then the whole thing was a dream/hallucination brought on by the near death blast of Harby's beam.

Either that, or I stand by my conclusion that the literallists think that Shepard is in fact Chuck Norris, and he eats space vacuum with an overdose of 100 megaton explosions on the side for a midnight snack.

Don't forget his roundhouse kick omni-blade

Well if that were the case then BioWare really made a huge plot hole.  I mean if Shepard is actually Chuck Norris then why would they need the Crucible to begin with?  All he would have to do is roundhouse kick omni blade a Reaper dreadnought and it would instantly desintigrate into nothing.


Speaking of Shep being able to outdo the "normal" soldier...there has been a few times that I have been ducked behind cover having a Geth Prime bearing down on me in MP and thinking, "It would be sweet to grab this prime...my Shep could do it." Posted Image

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Holy crap. I just looked at my calender and... it's not 1998 anymore! We're still making chuck norris jokes?

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Also, file #2710 to #2729. Learning dog to fetch and sit? Where the hell thought the game was any dog we played with? :| In addition, it's preety weirdly put in between completely not related lines. Before #2710 and after #2730 there are strictly Cortez ones.


That would be the Collector's Edition exclusive robo-dog. 

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demersel wrote...

Vibez wrote...
Also, file #2710 to #2729. Learning dog to fetch and sit? Where the hell thought the game was any dog we played with? :| In addition, it's preety weirdly put in between completely not related lines. Before #2710 and after #2730 there are strictly Cortez ones.


That would be the Collector's Edition exclusive robo-dog. 

i was soooooo disappointed with that dog. the only thing it did other than walk in a circle and lie down was have engineers talk about it. once.

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Rifneno wrote...


Holy crap. I just looked at my calender and... it's not 1998 anymore! We're still making chuck norris jokes?


So's your face. And what do you mean- "jokes"?

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jgibson14352 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Vibez wrote...
Also, file #2710 to #2729. Learning dog to fetch and sit? Where the hell thought the game was any dog we played with? :| In addition, it's preety weirdly put in between completely not related lines. Before #2710 and after #2730 there are strictly Cortez ones.


That would be the Collector's Edition exclusive robo-dog. 

i was soooooo disappointed with that dog. the only thing it did other than walk in a circle and lie down was have engineers talk about it. once.


Still can't figure out for the life of me why that dog was included in the CE...if any of the extra money I spent on the CE was meant to cover the development cost of that dog...

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Rifneno wrote...

Holy crap. I just looked at my calender and... it's not 1998 anymore! We're still making chuck norris jokes?


Even Chuck Norris makes Chuck Norris jokes.  Have you seen The Expendables 2?  I won't spoil it if you haven't, but it is a fun action flick if you are in the mood to see a bunch of geriatric and middle age action stars blowing stuff up.  I had a good time.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Vibez wrote...
Also, file #2710 to #2729. Learning dog to fetch and sit? Where the hell thought the game was any dog we played with? :| In addition, it's preety weirdly put in between completely not related lines. Before #2710 and after #2730 there are strictly Cortez ones.


That would be the Collector's Edition exclusive robo-dog. 

i was soooooo disappointed with that dog. the only thing it did other than walk in a circle and lie down was have engineers talk about it. once.

Still can't figure out for the life of me why that dog was included in the CE...if any of the extra money I spent on the CE was meant to cover the development cost of that dog...



My space hamster killed my robo-dog. Got stuck in it's throat. And Robo-dog's development time is the primary cause of the rushed ending. Casey loved Furbies (98 wazzzzzup!) < ashamed

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That could be a london subway tunnel, where shepard fell through after nearly getting hit by harbinger's beam. :devil:

You mean like there was an unsecured manhole by the beam.


I mean that it is plausible that there is a tunnel under the whole beam run surfice somewhere - and when harbinger tries to shoot shepard with the bean - he shoots through the groung into that tunnel and nearly missing shepard and shepard collapses into the tunnel. It is London, and if we know one thing about London is that there is a subway. 

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The explosion in destroy. It's huge. Shepard is at ground zero. Anyone got a pic handy?

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Wasn't sure if you meant the Crucible burst, those Citadel explosions or the beam discharge.

When the "initial explosion" occurs the beam is still firing. This isn't an actual explosion and seem to be the Crucible giving off one last flash of orange energy. I assume it's the Crucbile because it is definitely behind the ward arms (i.e. you can see them in front of it). This is cut out of Synthesis. Following that flash the beam stops. Then the big explosions begin in full.

http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

The explosion is actually several smaller explosions centered where the ward arms connected to the presidium. The lower left arm's connection point is the first to start exploding, then the upper right, then the top one;  then all three burst at once. This is why the fireball favors not central tower, but the upper left corner. The "lids" which seal the presidium end seem to be blown off as well. (three peices are seen flying off). It all appears to be one large explosion. After which the top ward arm detaches from the Presidium. The Presidium itself remains intact... relatively speaking.

Tthe explosion would not destroy the Citadel Tower. In space heat (and force) cannot disperse via explosion as there is no atmosphere for conduction. Not that mass effect depicts realistic space explosion, but it is just a game. The debris is what carries the heat in the form of hot metal which will slowly radiate it as light or by hitting something cooler. So Shepard will not be fried by the explosion. The heat isn't going to boil the Citadel Tower as heat cannot travel through vaccuum in that manner. 

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:04 .


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Whoooh...Finally cought up with the thread. Man those 20 some pagas I just read, were sure pointless.

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jgibson14352 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Vibez wrote...
Also, file #2710 to #2729. Learning dog to fetch and sit? Where the hell thought the game was any dog we played with? :| In addition, it's preety weirdly put in between completely not related lines. Before #2710 and after #2730 there are strictly Cortez ones.


That would be the Collector's Edition exclusive robo-dog. 

i was soooooo disappointed with that dog. the only thing it did other than walk in a circle and lie down was have engineers talk about it. once.


I personally would have prefered Urz to follow us around the Normandy, Who wouldnt love a cuddly varren following you around?

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...
That could be a london subway tunnel, where shepard fell through after nearly getting hit by harbinger's beam. :devil:

You mean like there was an unsecured manhole by the beam.


I mean that it is plausible that there is a tunnel under the whole beam run surfice somewhere - and when harbinger tries to shoot shepard with the bean - he shoots through the groung into that tunnel and nearly missing shepard and shepard collapses into the tunnel. It is London, and if we know one thing about London is that there is a subway. 



Awesome mental image

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Lol No
Watch the ending


Clearly Shepard didn't activate the red x shaped force field in time to survive

And why wouldn't it destroy the citadel tower, being it's made of concrete as you say.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:00 .


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The Twilight God wrote...

http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
 


Ok. Please note small explosions all over the wards in this picture. (they are not that small, but whatever).
Do you know what that is? 
I'll tell you. It is the initial crucible's explosinon (the one that produces the beam) - burning through the interior of the citadel burning up the oxigen that is in there with terrible force, and burning through out in space violently. If there was anyone alive at the citadel before the crucible discharge - this would be the time they'd by disentigrated. (and before you reply ("but the crucible field doesn't harm anything but the reapers in the high ems destroy as clearly is shown on earth!"  - that is not the crucible field beam or whatever - that is just plain fire explosion - burning up all oxigen inside the citadel - the one that originated from shepard blowing up that tube.)

There will be no further debate on this issue. If you fail to see it - you're stupid and in denial. And also argue only for the sake of agruing. Which makes you a trolll.

Also you're a dick. But that one isn't conditional.
 

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .


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Funny you mention that because wind would blow the dust away. That sounds like an indoor area. Like a draft. All that is required in for warmer air to meet cooler air and ventilation ducts. The dust seems to be "blowing" upward slowly. 

 
Ever been in a dust storm? ;)

Wind =/= absence of dust/smoke/fog/whatever.


You misunderstand me.

There is smoky dust lingering over the rubble. That dust is not blowing away, but rather slowing rising toward the ceiling. Like a draft. 

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 02:57 .


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desert_beagle wrote...

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Btw, the word "crucible" means a severe test.


It does mean test, it is also an object in metalergy.  A crucible is used to purify precious metals such as gold, silver, and platinum into pure alloys.  When these metals are mined they have trace elements and other minerals mixed within them and are not up to their full potential or value until these materials are removed.

A crucible is also referred to as the, "refiner's fire," and it is meant to purge these metals and bring them to their full potential.  It takes a skilled craftsman, however, to do this, as too much heat will ruin the metal being purified.  Too much time in the fire will also ruin it.  

Looking at this symbolicly towards Shepard's journey, I can see how the Crucible is so named, and once again it lends itself to the IT very well.  It is also why I feel that the only time we see the breath scene is during the Destroy ending because it is symbolic of Shepard beating and overcoming the Reapers true and most devastating weapon.



I wrote about this much more extensively earlier in the thread, but to sum up my argument from before: crucible has two traditional meanings 1) a container in which metals are heated until they melt, and 2) a trial or test. Looking at the metaphorical meaning, the Arthur Miller play The Crucible got its title because the main character (coincidentally, or perhaps not, named John) is facing societal "heat" and there is a question as to if he will "melt" under that pressure. Considering that the writers could have named the device anything they wanted to, I find it significant that they chose such a loaded name. Especially when the final moments of the game are a test of Shepard's will. 

As an aside, I have a theory (that Julian from Clevernoob kinda picked up on as well) that the Crucible was created as a failsafe by the Leviathans after the AI they created rebelled against them, but because they were the dominant species and the galaxy lacked diversity that exists in this cycle they were not strong enough to actually build the device. So they left the plans that can only be built by a cycle that is diverse and the "test" is to see if there is a cycle that will be diverse enough to come together to build it. We already know that the Protheans (the only other cycle that we know much about) were not diverse, and therefore were unable to build it. Javik even specifically mentions it. But Shepard is different. S/He is able to rally the galaxy to build it, which is why the Reapers are so focused on him. Shepard has done something that no cycle has been able to do before and has "altered the variables."

Of course, there are many holes my "theory," but until proven otherwise by DLC, I like my headcanon version. 

Modifié par FifthBeatle, 03 septembre 2012 - 02:57 .


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The Twilight God wrote...
You misunderstand me.

There is smoky dust lingering over the rubble. That dust is not blowing away, but rather slowing rising toward the ceiling. Like a draft. 


Exactly what it would be if Shepard fell through into a collapsed subway tunnel (which reaprs could use to hold the cables that power up a strange bean that emits from the ground level, way into space - the machinary that makis it all possible must be underground)  - or we can just assume the beam is oure magic and call it a day. 

Also - you're a dick. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .


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 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

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demersel wrote...

 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

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I reject your choices! *drinks Mello Yello

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demersel wrote...

 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

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Coke is the best soda.

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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

*snip*


Coke is the best soda when mixed with Crown Royal


Fixed

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byne wrote...
Coke is the best soda.


I know! Symbolic, right? 

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KellanC wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

*snip*


Coke is the best soda when mixed with Crown Royal


Fixed


Long time no see!

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KellanC wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

*snip*


Coke is the best soda when mixed with Crown Royal


Fixed



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