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Auralius Carolus

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The Twilight God wrote...

Tthe explosion would not destroy the Citadel Tower. In space heat (and force) cannot disperse via explosion as there is no atmosphere for conduction. Not that mass effect depicts realistic space explosion, but it is just a game. The debris is what carries the heat in the form of hot metal which will slowly radiate it as light or by hitting something cooler. So Shepard will not be fried by the explosion. The heat isn't going to boil the Citadel Tower as heat cannot travel through vaccuum in that manner. 


The explosion itself doesn't concern me, it's the heat and pressure that builds up within the Citadel right before the walls are breached by the energy.

Shepard's survival would come down to how strong any emergency barriers are that may slide into place, along with the mass effect barrier holding around the landing he's on.

He's also right at a junction where the energy flow from the Crucible is exposed to the Citadel atmosphere. Seeing as raw energy, just like water, will first attempt the path of least resistance, one can expect him to be right in the epicenter of the blast when the energy field overloads. After the more open spaces of the Citadel are pressurized, then one can expect the blast to evacuate into space.

Shepard should be good and dead.

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citadel is made of the same stuff as the realys........mu relay was next to a supernova and only got knocked out of place. it would take about a supernova level explosion to do ANYTHING to the citadel.

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jgibson14352 wrote...

citadel is made of the same stuff as the realys........mu relay was next to a supernova and only got knocked out of place. it would take about a supernova level explosion to do ANYTHING to the citadel.


Externally, yes. But interally the energy is going to be far greater as there is already a pressurized atmosphere, which is subject to overpressure, (the air expanding from the heat), and then bursting. In open space the energy transfer would be far less dramatic as space absorbs much of the event.

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:00 .


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Twilight God

Lol No
Watch the ending


Clearly Shepard didn't activate the red x shaped force field in time to survive

And why wouldn't it destroy the citadel tower, being it's made of concrete as you say.


I never said it's made of concrete. It's a concrete-like material and metal. Like most structures. As I explained in the very post you are replyiing to concussive force and heat do not travel through a vaccuum. So the Citadel Tower would never feel the impact of a blast wave. The only thing they would feel is the vibrations from the Presidium. As far as what occurs when Shepard shoots the power junction, Shepard is not killed by this. The fireball never even engulfs Shepard before it disapates. And it's a Hollywood explosion anyway. Shepard survived this (The explosion itself, at least) and this, which clearly had more force behind it than the power conduit explosion that looked to barely knock Shepard of his feet.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight God

Lol No
Watch the ending


Clearly Shepard didn't activate the red x shaped force field in time to survive

And why wouldn't it destroy the citadel tower, being it's made of concrete as you say.


 As I explained in the very post you are replyiing to concussive force and heat do not travel through a vaccuum.


That'd be all well and good if Shepard was in a vaccuum, but, since she can breathe and talk, she pretty clearly isnt.

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Anyhow, I'm going to bed.

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Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts

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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Choose wisely - only one is true cola

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Coke is the best soda when mixed with Crown Royal


Fixed


Long time no see!


I'm always around, just don't always have anything worth injecting into the conversation.

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The Twilight God

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

The explosion itself doesn't concern me, it's the heat and pressure that builds up within the Citadel right before the walls are breached by the energy.

Shepard's survival would come down to how strong any emergency barriers are that may slide into place, along with the mass effect barrier holding around the landing he's on.

He's also right at a junction where the energy flow from the Crucible is exposed to the Citadel atmosphere. Seeing as raw energy, just like water, will first attempt the path of least resistance, one can expect him to be right in the epicenter of the blast when the energy field overloads. After the more open spaces of the Citadel are pressurized, then one can expect the blast to evacuate into space.

Shepard should be good and dead.


What makes you think heat a pressure are building up within the Citadel?

You're presuming he just stands there and watches the show. Which would burn out his retna so I'm sure he;s smart enough to not try that. I hypithesize that Shepard got up, went back down that lift and was heading back the way he came when the blast erupted. Based on his position atop the rubble he collapsed on top of it. It being the rubble of a collapsed ceiling and whatever was above it.

Shepard is seen breathing at the very end. Instead of exploring how he survived you seen intent to only consider scenarios where he dies. To rule out survival you have to first convceive how he can live. Only after all survival options are ruled out can we then say he must have died in said situation. That's how I approach it.

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Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts


Lol. Indeed. And people actually spand time and effort to reply constractively to his posts. He is a worst kind of a troll. A concious and seemingly reasonable one.

Also, people - to get rid of him - just qoute my posts to him. :D

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:32 .


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The Twilight God

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byne wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight God

Lol No
Watch the ending


Clearly Shepard didn't activate the red x shaped force field in time to survive

And why wouldn't it destroy the citadel tower, being it's made of concrete as you say.


 As I explained in the very post you are replyiing to concussive force and heat do not travel through a vaccuum.


That'd be all well and good if Shepard was in a vaccuum, but, since she can breathe and talk, she pretty clearly isnt.


Between the tower and the presidium... there is vaccuum.

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Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts


One that flings Shepard through the air like a rag doll and one (ME3 ending) that barely knocks him off his feet. It's the sudden change in pressure that kills in an explosive blast. Not how bright and pretty it looks. Science is your friend.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:26 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts


One that flings Shepard through the air like a rag doll and one (ME3 ending) that barely knocks him off his feet. It's a change in pressure that kills in an explosion. Not how bright and pretty it looks.


Who needs armor, just turn your face away. Then activate your red x shaped force vield and youre good

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts


One that flings Shepard through the air like a rag doll and one (ME3 ending) that barely knocks him off his feet. It's the sudden change in pressure that kills in an explosive blast. Not how bright and pretty it looks. Science is your friend.


Go get engulfed in a giant fireball. That will show us that this is possible to survive. 

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spotlessvoid wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts


One that flings Shepard through the air like a rag doll and one (ME3 ending) that barely knocks him off his feet. It's a change in pressure that kills in an explosion. Not how bright and pretty it looks.


Who needs armor, just turn your face away. Then activate your red x shaped force vield and youre good


Doesn't need a shield since the fireball never ensulfs Shepard.

Thi is the final shot before the camera postion changes and the fire dissipates. Barely enough to knock him off his feet where the explosive Kenson used tossed him through the air like a toy. Which makes Kenson's explosive more deadly because it brough about a greater change in pressure.

http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

At best his left leg got singed a little.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:02 .


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Yeah, wasn't wearing armor that time but it's not really relevant right? If you try demersels suggestion, please stream it live. I don't think you'll be in any condition to post a YouTube video, what with your singed left leg and all. I think I've reached my limit for tonight.

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The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight God I can't stop laughing long enough to think straight. Please, everyone click the links he uses to compare blasts. Oh my god this hurts


One that flings Shepard through the air like a rag doll and one (ME3 ending) that barely knocks him off his feet. It's a change in pressure that kills in an explosion. Not how bright and pretty it looks.


Who needs armor, just turn your face away. Then activate your red x shaped force vield and youre good


Doesn't need a shield since the fireball never ensulfs Shepard.

Thi is the final shot before the camera postion changes and the fire dissipates. Barely enough to knock him off his feet where the explosive Kenson used tossed him through the air like a toy. Which makes Kenson's explosive more deadly because it brough about a greater change in pressure.

http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

At best his left leg got singed and little.

You're trolling right... Surely...

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All right. Go stand right next to a huge fireball so that it barely engulfs you. - just because of the heat wave your blood willl boil.

And the explosion doesn't seem that violent to you compared to kenson blast because it is IN SLOW-MO - and we all knnow that everything is not deadly in slow-mo.

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:48 .


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You're trolling right... Surely...


No, actual rational response to make so now you troll me out of desperation?  This is typical response when certain personality types are on the wrong side of a discussion. The very fact that you are incapable of rebuting anything I've posted indicates your de facto agreement with my conclusion. Shepard survives that weak explosion whose flames dissipate before it can engulf Shepard - Fact.

But keep the petty remarks coming, kids. Posted Image

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:03 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

You're trolling right... Surely...


No, actually rational response to make so now you troll me?  This is typical response when certain personality types are on the wrong side of a discussion. The very fact that you are incapable of rebuting anything I've posted indicates your de facto agreement with my conclusion.

But keep the petty remarks coming, kids. Posted Image


Don't let them get to you.

And you either.

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The Twilight God wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

You're trolling right... Surely...


No, actually rational response to make so now you troll me?  This is typical response when certain personality types are on the wrong side of a discussion. The very fact that you are incapable of rebuting anything I've posted indicates your de facto agreement with my conclusion.

But keep the petty remarks coming, kids. Posted Image


PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!

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The Twilight God wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

You're trolling right... Surely...


No, actually rational response to make so now you troll me?  This is typical response when certain personality types are on the wrong side of a discussion.  Shepard survives. Fact.

But keep the petty remarks coming, kids. Posted Image



All your posting history indicates that you are a dick. The very fact that you are incapable of rebuting anything I've posted indicates your de facto agreement with my conclusion. 

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Twilight,

Anytime someone disagrees with you it's their abject failure to comprehend your superior logic. And you just keep at it. TSA was joking. He didn't call you a troll, he was mocking you by saying "there's no way you actually believe this, right? You're trolling right?"

But since any argument we make you just hands wave away immediately followed by saying we aren't making any arguments against you....well-I guess you win

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Twilight,

Anytime someone disagrees with you it's their abject failure to comprehend your superior logic. And you just keep at it. TSA was joking. He didn't call you a troll, he was mocking you by saying "there's no way you actually believe this, right? You're trolling right?"

But since any argument we make you just hands wave away immediately followed by saying we aren't making any arguments against you....well-I guess you win


Quote me where I said you failed to comprehend my superior logic.

I never handwaved anything away. You said your piece and I said mine.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .


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Quote me where I said you failed to comprehend my superior logic.

I never handwaved anything away. You said your piece and I said mine.


There. quoted. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:07 .