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[jgibson14352]

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

If believing in fan fiction makes you love the game, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but weren't you an ITer less than 24 hours ago?

yeah but he swore it off in that time. when people in the thread didnt respond well to him being a douche he flipped out and left. now hes back, and we can only assume its because his friends dont like him enough to give him the attention hes currently seeking from people he said he wants nothing to do with.

[The Twilight God]

llbountyhunter wrote...

....so shepard was in a vacuum???? ok then.

Yes, just like all the people on the wards are in a vaccuum. Just like Shepard, his squadmates, Anderson and that other alliance rescuer were in vaccum when Sovereign's toe crashed through the window. 

[Arashi08]

can someone do a flycam of the explosion in the Destroy ending? I don't know why but I have a sudden urge to see one...weird...

[plfranke]

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

If believing in fan fiction makes you love the game, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but weren't you an ITer less than 24 hours ago?

That's besides the point

[plfranke]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

If believing in fan fiction makes you love the game, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but weren't you an ITer less than 24 hours ago?

yeah but he swore it off in that time. when people in the thread didnt respond well to him being a douche he flipped out and left. now hes back, and we can only assume its because his friends dont like him enough to give him the attention hes currently seeking from people he said he wants nothing to do with.

that's nothing like what happened jgibson, and I'm surprised you'd make up such a false story. I thought we were cool, but apparently you just blindly follow the herd.

[Lokanaiya]

Arashi08 wrote...

can someone do a flycam of the explosion in the Destroy ending? I don't know why but I have a sudden urge to see one...weird...

Oh, that reminds me! TTG, please explain how the Carnifex can change into a Predator after the explosion for Destroy. (It is visible without flycam, it's just not easy to see) And, while you're at it, explain why the Carnifex has a Predator relaoding animation after Harby's laser. Especially since the reloading animation was unique because of Shepard's wounds.

[The Twilight God]

Lokanaiya wrote...

TTG, how often have you even entertained the possibility of us being correct?

Of course I've entertained the possibility. Before I ever debunk anything I first try to prove it is right. When I canot find the necessary evidence then I look into why there is no evidence; what flaws are in the hypothesis. At the end of the day I have no reason to believe it is a dream. It's really that simple.

Conclusion = circumstantial evidence = conclusion is just not how I roll. Until ME4 or an ending DLC confirms it, Dream Theory is just blind faith imho. My own theory makes 100 times more sense than Dream Theory and is both narratively and thematically sound without the necessity to create my own fan fiction lore to suport it.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 06:42 .

[llbountyhunter]

The Twilight God wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

....so shepard was in a vacuum???? ok then.

Yes, just like all the people on the wards are in a vaccuum. Just like Shepard, his squadmates, Anderson and that other alliance rescuer were in vaccum when Sovereign's toe crashed through the window. 

I see..... so the explosion behaved as if though it were in a vacuum even though it wasnt? eveyone was in air... but the explsoion was not??

hmmmm.... 

[Smeffects]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I finally managed to uninstall this garbage of a game, Leviathen DLC just confirmed to me what i simply couldnt face for months. Im done getting ****ed by bioware.

I love this debate about shepard survival. Literalist and ITers trying to make sense of it all, when it has no ****ing sense in either scenario: For the literalist theres just no way to survive the blast when the citadel ****ing exploded in the original red ending. For ITers, Refuse ending should be the most powerful choice for an indoctrination ending, because you refuse first, you dont even need to play by the star scumbag rules. Yet you fail, you only "wake up" by taking one of his color coded ending, meaning there is no indoctrination going in there.

Its just pure garbage one way or another. The only thing that comes out of this for me is sadness, i see good people on both sides, trying to make sense literally or fake iter ending. Both parties are wrong, because the truth is even worse then both you guys believe. The last DLC only prouve that they simply retcon and add plot holes on the spot to add more crap to sell us.

This will be my final post on these boards, i figured this thread was the best place as its the most interesting one to read. The one thing i dread for you guys is what happens in the next mass effect game coming in a year and a half (oh its coming). When you finally meet the truth in that mass effect: action shooter and space magic blend, you will come to the same realisation i did. This space opera universe was simply turned into ****. This is worse then what gorge lucas ever did and my only hope is that every will eventually open their eyes.

Good bye, literalists and Iters. Try not to over think this piece of trash, you will only find disapointement in the future.

actually refusal helps IT because he is refusing and giving up on the mental battle, and should logically result in shepards defeat.

and come on, although me2 is a better package over all, certain points in me3 surpass just about anything in other games. tuchanka and rannoch? those two scenes are moments of perfection in video game history. 

its just those last five minutes...

You go under the assumption that shepard gives up, while he cleary says the exact opposite? He says: We will win the fight on our term and free to chose? That sounds like giving up a mental battle to you? Both sides assumes alot of things and thats why both sides are wrong. The way shepard handles refusale is not giving up, if this was a dream its exactly the type of dialogue youd have because you saw right trough it.

On the point of the game not being that bad. You are taking indivdual part of the game, which i agree are good. But thats the easy part of story telling, which bioware mastered. Making emotinal moments. The problem is the way they tie their story is absolute trash. You cant have a story where individual emotional moments are good and yet your whole story line does not add up. Which is the whole case of this whole series. The minute the reaper started to "care" about organics and their motives are as simple and cliche as any random sifi action movie the game instantly ret conned mass effect 1 and became trash. All they did in the DLC is add more trash into that trash into more trash.

As i said: Literalist wants the game to make sense, but it just made less and less sense as the story carried over after mass effect 1, it simply dragged down into terrible level of plot holes in mass effect 3. The emotional moments with unique characters are the only part the game manages.

Then: Iter, trying to also make sense of the mess. Using these holes trying to craft a better story, which is admirable. But fail simply because alot of what needs to be believed like the part about refusale i just endled is simply huge non factual assumption. Shepard says he doesent give up and yet its assumed he failed for giving up. Completly abandoning the real theme of Indoctrination which was shepard being able to mentally overpower Harbinger in a mental battle, which shepard cannot die during. Only get indoctrinated or not. Only one ending ends where shepard is dead in every sense of the word, refusal.

Then came an even larger blow that again ITer tries to again cover up with assumptions. The very fact that a DLC which takes place before the ending pin point the Star kid as being who the he says he is before shepard even meets him. From indoctrination theory the star kid meeting at the ending is faked. Yet the real one exist in some form and is still leading the reaper attack when the indoctrination theory happens. So effectively the indoctrination theory was rendered still possible, but very very bad story telling.

Either way you pick, you still get a terrible Main arc and Enemy called the Reapers that gets dragged down from incomprehensible super powerful enemy with motivation humans cant understand. To Tools for a kid IA that have motives so terrible that even humans laugh at its lack of logic. A master god race, which again logics are laughable: the created always rebel against the creator! Hey lets create something!!!! A synthetic, to stop organic from creating synthetichs going to war with organics etc!!! A master race that supposelly are so powerful, they where the master of the galaxy and simply couldnt just stop lesser organic from creating synthetics by themselves. Face it the story is trash literally or IT now.

Modifié par Smeffects, 03 septembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[Lokanaiya]

plfranke wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

If believing in fan fiction makes you love the game, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but weren't you an ITer less than 24 hours ago?

That's besides the point

But what caused the sudden change of attitude to viewing IT as fan fiction? It's one thing to not like the people in here, it's quite another to say that the entire theory is suddenly worthless because you think the people supporting it are jerks.

[demersel]

magnetite wrote...

I still think it's up to the player to decide what the ending actually is. I know some people are counting on some sort of official confirmation of IT from Bioware, but it may come, or it may not.

Hate to ask, but why the need for confirmation? With all the evidence that was found, isn't that enough proof?

For me personally, I've pretty much gathered enough evidence to say that Shepard was on Earth and passed the "indoctrination test" so to speak.

Yep. Pretty much sums up how i feel about it. 
+1

[demersel]

The Twilight God wrote...
My own theory makes 100 times more sense than Dream Theory an dis both narratively and thematically sound without the necessity to create my own fan fiction lore to suport it.

And your book is not expensive, right? :innocent:

[Lokanaiya]

The Twilight God wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

TTG, how often have you even entertained the possibility of us being correct?

Of course I've entertained the possibility. Before I ever debunk anything I first try to prove it is right. When I canot find the necessary evidence then I look itnot why their is no evidence; what flaws are in the nypothesis. At the end of the day I have no reason to believe it is a dream. It's really that simple.

Conclusion = circumstantial evidence = conclusion is just not how I roll. Until ME4 or an ending DLC confirms it, Dream Theory is just blind faith imho. My own theory makes 100 times more sense than Dream Theory an dis both narratively and thematically sound without the necessity to create my own fan fiction lore to suport it.

Ah. Thanks for reminding me why I don't talk to you.

[The Twilight God]

Arashi08 wrote...

can someone do a flycam of the explosion in the Destroy ending? I don't know why but I have a sudden urge to see one...weird...

There is one on youtube,

http://www.youtube.c...YRdhgCM#t=1545s

[plfranke]

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

If believing in fan fiction makes you love the game, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but weren't you an ITer less than 24 hours ago?

That's besides the point

But what caused the sudden change of attitude to viewing IT as fan fiction? It's one thing to not like the people in here, it's quite another to say that the entire theory is suddenly worthless because you think the people supporting it are jerks.

I have always believed this about IT. However, I came to this thread, speculated on things, added to the conversation, because I enjoyed discussion with the people here. When they, all of a sudden, started acting like children, I stopped speculating and will now only voice my opinion on the IT itself. Not to say that everyone on this thread is a bad person. I still like a few people on here.

[Arashi08]

Proselytism is next to impossible to achieve on the internet...why bother?

[plfranke]

While you all bunker down here, there's a thread going on that has an actual chance of getting Bioware's attention, the one last plea thread. However, you're so indoctrinated by your own theory, you won't help the fanbase, for shame.

[Lokanaiya]

plfranke wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

If believing in fan fiction makes you love the game, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but weren't you an ITer less than 24 hours ago?

That's besides the point

But what caused the sudden change of attitude to viewing IT as fan fiction? It's one thing to not like the people in here, it's quite another to say that the entire theory is suddenly worthless because you think the people supporting it are jerks.

I have always believed this about IT. However, I came to this thread, speculated on things, added to the conversation, because I enjoyed discussion with the people here. When they, all of a sudden, started acting like children, I stopped speculating and will now only voice my opinion on the IT itself. Not to say that everyone on this thread is a bad person. I still like a few people on here.

And that's why you decided to randomly show up and throw off a "clever" one-liner about fan fiction, like many trolls do?

[llbountyhunter]

Smeffects wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I finally managed to uninstall this garbage of a game, Leviathen DLC just confirmed to me what i simply couldnt face for months. Im done getting ****ed by bioware.

I love this debate about shepard survival. Literalist and ITers trying to make sense of it all, when it has no ****ing sense in either scenario: For the literalist theres just no way to survive the blast when the citadel ****ing exploded in the original red ending. For ITers, Refuse ending should be the most powerful choice for an indoctrination ending, because you refuse first, you dont even need to play by the star scumbag rules. Yet you fail, you only "wake up" by taking one of his color coded ending, meaning there is no indoctrination going in there.

Its just pure garbage one way or another. The only thing that comes out of this for me is sadness, i see good people on both sides, trying to make sense literally or fake iter ending. Both parties are wrong, because the truth is even worse then both you guys believe. The last DLC only prouve that they simply retcon and add plot holes on the spot to add more crap to sell us.

This will be my final post on these boards, i figured this thread was the best place as its the most interesting one to read. The one thing i dread for you guys is what happens in the next mass effect game coming in a year and a half (oh its coming). When you finally meet the truth in that mass effect: action shooter and space magic blend, you will come to the same realisation i did. This space opera universe was simply turned into ****. This is worse then what gorge lucas ever did and my only hope is that every will eventually open their eyes.

Good bye, literalists and Iters. Try not to over think this piece of trash, you will only find disapointement in the future.

actually refusal helps IT because he is refusing and giving up on the mental battle, and should logically result in shepards defeat.

and come on, although me2 is a better package over all, certain points in me3 surpass just about anything in other games. tuchanka and rannoch? those two scenes are moments of perfection in video game history. 

its just those last five minutes...

You go under the assumption that shepard gives up, while he cleary says the exact opposite? He says: We will win the fight on our term and free to chose? That sounds like giving up a mental battle to you? Both sides assumes alot of things and thats why both sides are wrong. The way shepard handles refusale is not giving up, if this was a dream its exactly the type of dialogue youd have because you saw right trough it.

On the point of the game not being that bad. You are taking indivdual part of the game, which i agree are good. But thats the easy part of story telling, which bioware mastered. Making emotinal moments. The problem is the way they tie their story is absolute trash. You cant have a story where individual emotional moments are good and yet your whole story line does not add up. Which is the whole case of this whole series. The minute the reaper started to "care" about organics and their motives are as simple and cliche as any random sifi action movie the game instantly ret conned mass effect 1 and became trash. All they did in the DLC is add more trash into that trash into more trash.

As i said: Literalist wants the game to make sense, but it just made less and less sense as the story carried over after mass effect 1, it simply dragged down into terrible level of plot holes in mass effect 3. The emotional moments with unique characters are the only part the game manages.

Then: Iter, trying to also make sense of the mess. Using these holes trying to craft a better story, which is admirable. But fail simply because alot of what needs to be believed like the part about refusale i just endled is simply huge non factual assumption. Shepard says he doesent give up and yet its assumed he failed for giving up. Completly abandoning the real theme of Indoctrination which was shepard being able to mentally overpower Harbinger in a mental battle, which shepard cannot die during. Only get indoctrinated or not. Only one ending ends where shepard is dead in every sense of the word, refusal.

Then came an even larger blow that again ITer tries to again cover up with assumptions. The very fact that a DLC which takes place before the ending pin point the Star kid as being who the he says he is before shepard even meets him. From indoctrination theory the star kid meeting at the ending is faked. Yet the real one exist in some form and is still leading the reaper attack when the indoctrination theory happens. So effectively the indoctrination theory was rendered still possible, but very very bad story telling.

Either way you pick, you still get a terrible Main arc and Enemy called the Reapers that gets dragged down from incomprehensible super powerful enemy with motivation humans cant understand. To Tools for a kid IA that have motives so terrible that even humans laugh at its lack of logic. A master god race, which again logics are laughable: the created always rebel against the creator! Hey lets create something!!!! A synthetic, to stop organic from creating synthetichs going to war with organics etc!!! A master race that supposelly are so powerful, they where the master of the galaxy and simply couldnt just stop lesser organic from creating synthetics by themselves. Face it the story is trash literally or IT now.

yes shepard very clearly states that hes rejecting the mental battle. doesnt leviathan say that harbinger is the first reaper created? doesnt that make him the star brat?

[Phantorch2745]

Was the ending a hallucination? Let's just skip the whole essay and head straight to the conclusion, no.

[plfranke]

Phantorch2745 wrote...

Was the ending a hallucination? Let's just skip the whole essay and head straight to the conclusion, no.

Quoted for truth.

[Lokanaiya]

*sigh* Sudden influx of trolls... I'm out. I need to be getting to sleep anyways.

[The Twilight God]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

can someone do a flycam of the explosion in the Destroy ending? I don't know why but I have a sudden urge to see one...weird...

Oh, that reminds me! TTG, please explain how the Carnifex can change into a Predator after the explosion for Destroy. (It is visible without flycam, it's just not easy to see) And, while you're at it, explain why the Carnifex has a Predator relaoding animation after Harby's laser. Especially since the reloading animation was unique because of Shepard's wounds.

Developer oversight.

Just like when characters change wepaons in cutscenes. It means nothing. Or do you perhaps think the entire series has been a dream?

This is what I'm talking about. 

Conclusion = circumstantial evidence = conclusion. How does this make it a dream exactly? Verses, I don't know, a modified pistol? This is where the "Does this prove IT" meme comes from. Everything = dream. Nobody is ever going to take you seriously if all you've got in reused textures, glitches and oversights to back your claim. It's like saying if a game has programming flaws or development shortcuts, it must be a dream sequence.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 06:47 .