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[SauliusL]

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

[spotlessvoid]

Smeffects wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

why build the AI in thecitadel? having the AI in the citadel would ruin the point of me1.....what?  the AI couldnt just open the doors for the reapers? they had to get soverign to do it?  

It went the way of the: Organics are a mutation, you exit because we allow it, you will die because we demand it. PS: we trying to save you.

Also the classic: Our existance transend your own, you cant understand it. PS: we are just machine made by a rogue AI.

List goes on, you get the point.

It's almost like they held a,raffle and let some elementary school class write the ending. And the sound and audio guys eere trippin balls

[llbountyhunter]

 Im just going to put this link up....

http://social.biowar.../index/12547432 

[Smeffects]

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

There is no missunderstanding. I will make one point that simply make IT just as bad to the series theme since mass effect 1. Which is my whole point, after Leviathen, what ever you like literal or IT, both are just terrible piece of poop. That destroy what mass effect 1 started. Now you will try to refute it, with your greater understanding of IT. Because i dont take argumenet of ignorance without you trying to explain yourself.

-The ending of mass effect 3, in any version, literal or IT: The created always rebel against the creators. The master race of the universe wanted to stop it, so they decided to Create something to stop it. Think long and hard and tell me this is not the same thing in both IT OR Literal ending. Now tell me that it does not conflict with mass effect 1. Explain to me how this master race logic is any better then that terrible star kid.

Modifié par Smeffects, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[spotlessvoid]

Ilbountyhunter wrote...
why do the reapers give shepard the option to destroy themselves?
well If you accept that the scene is a mental battle battle, where both sides are trying force their own ideas and beliefs....then the reapers didnt present this option at all. it was Shepard himself who added it.

Bill Casey wrote...
Control working out runs concurrent to base themes. Control of this type is doomed to folly in the Mass Effect universe, from Miranda and Tali's respective fathers, to the Illusive Man, Project Overlord, to the Salarians and their uplift program, to the Prothean separatists to the Prothean Empire itself. Any attempt to Control the Reapers has led to indoctrination. Shepard repeatedly chastises The Illusive Man's methods regardless of options picked, and your crew repeatedly calls him crazy for thinking he can control the reapers. The theme is prevalent. This level of overreach shouldn't be rewarded just because Shepard does it...

This is compounded by the fact that the Reapers themselves are a force of corruption. Legion describes their minds are incomprehensibly powerful. It isn't like the Nautilus whose power itself corrupts Nemo; The Reapers themselves warp minds. Shepard is hearing voices, seeing shadows on the screen, and he just shot Anderson against his will a few minutes ago. Now he's going to control all of the Reapers. That's insultingly stupid from a conceptual standpoint. The fact that Anderson was yelling warnings and the Catalyst says "you will lose everything you have" turns this option from incredible dumb to "Schmuck Bait". Control working out turns the whole thing into a "Violation of Common Sense"...

Then we have Synthesis and Idon't even know where to start. We've been fighting forced transhumanism for three games now. It spits in the face of the themes of working out our differences, self determination against fatalism, the socio-technological balance, and diversity. It alters all life in the galaxy under the assertion that there is something fundamentally wrong with us. It's beyondcynical...

This is again a recurring theme with unfortunate implications. The Reapers see themselves as the final evolution of life. Saren has been mentioned enough, but the Illusive Man is forcing transhumanism to bring humanity to the "apex of evolution", in his own words. The Collectors and the Zha'Til are examples of Reapers fusing man and machine, and then altering their genetic material at the deepest level to form something new. Pretty much your entire squad in Mass Effect 2 tells you rewriting the heretics is the same as killing them...

The way the Geth and EDI are presented has severe racist undertones for the assertion that synthetic life will inevitably destroy organic life. The Geth tackle hot buttonissues of slavery and basic civil rights, and the Geth Consensus had scenes straight out of Germany inthe 1940s, where martial law is declared and Quarians are shot for "harboring synthetics"...

It's established through talking to EDI that peace between the Reapers should not work. World Leaders are being called into Reaper super structures to negotiate peace, but it's a ruse to indoctrinate them and pacify the populace. The leaders will soon enact laws that prevent attacking the Reapers, which will again be done in the name of peace. EDI makes certain to reiterate this. When the master control reapers says "we need eachother to make this happen", it red flags the entire situation and makes it working out another violation of common sense...

In fact, Destroy is the only option whose viability fits the narrative presented. If you talk to James Vega in your quarters, he will tell about how he destroyed acollector ship, but sacrificed most of the abducted colonists and his team in the process. There is no option to say anything other than James made the right call. Paragon or Renegade,Shepard says this was the right thing to do...
Lieutenant Victus doesn't want to sacrifice his men for the mission, and all Shepards talk him into it... Hackett sacrifices the entire second fleet, and Garrus has to make some extremely unpleasant tactical decisions...

[RavenEyry]

The created rebelled against the creator ONCE in all history, possibly due to bad programming. This does not mean the central themes of the series have been destroyed even in IT.

[SauliusL]

Smeffects wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

There is no missunderstanding. I will make one point that simply make IT just as bad to the series theme since mass effect 1. Which is my whole point, after Leviathen, what ever you like literal or IT, both are just terrible piece of poop. That destroy what mass effect 1 started. Now you will try to refute it, with your greater understanding of IT. Because i dont take argumenet of ignorance without you trying to explain yourself.

-The ending of mass effect 3, in any version, literal or IT: The created always rebel against the creators. The master race of the universe wanted to stop it, so they decided to Create something to stop it. Think long and hard and tell me this is not the same thing in both IT OR Literal ending. Now tell me that it does not conflict with mass effect 1. Explain to me how this master race logic is any better then that terrible star kid.

According to IT I know, I do not trust neither Harbinger, neither Catalyst (who is in fact harbinger), neither Leviathan. So with my understanding we just do not know the real motives and reasons of any of them, because they tell us what we need to hear and  their "half truths or lies" were spoken about multiple times. It might be that even missmatch of information with Mass effect 1 comes from that reason.
That is ofcourse all speculation, until we know for sure, if we do.

[llbountyhunter]

Smeffects wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

There is no missunderstanding. I will make one point that simply make IT just as bad to the series theme since mass effect 1. Now you will try to refute it, with your greater understanding of IT. Because i dont take argumenet of ignorance without trying to explain yourself.

-The ending of mass effect 3, in any version, literal or IT: The created always rebel against the creators. The master race of the universe wanted to stop it, so they decided to Create something to stop it. Think long and hard and tell me this is not the same thing in both IT OR Literal ending. Now tell me that it does not conflict with mass effect 1.

no, in the IT thats is a lie used in order to get shepard to pick synthesis or control.... and not destory, wich is painted in bad light. 

your getting- quite literally- indoctrinated.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:39 .

[Smeffects]

RavenEyry wrote...

The created rebelled against the creator ONCE in all history, possibly due to bad programming. This does not mean the central themes of the series have been destroyed even in IT.

It happened once in history but its the whole point mass effect 3 is based around. For that game its the whole theme now. The existence of the reapers are based on this, the existence of the relay, the citadel, pretty much everything as been dragged into this one circular logic from the leviathan. It is the main central theme when ever you dont want to believe it or not. Its the main goal of the enemy and its creators. According to mass effect 3 and its DLC it is the only reason the reaper conflict ever existed... the existance of the story is 100% relying on it. Sounds like a damn important theme to me, bad but important.

[RavenEyry]

The reapers originally being the product of an AI does not make the central theme of the series creator vs created.

[Smeffects]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

There is no missunderstanding. I will make one point that simply make IT just as bad to the series theme since mass effect 1. Now you will try to refute it, with your greater understanding of IT. Because i dont take argumenet of ignorance without trying to explain yourself.

-The ending of mass effect 3, in any version, literal or IT: The created always rebel against the creators. The master race of the universe wanted to stop it, so they decided to Create something to stop it. Think long and hard and tell me this is not the same thing in both IT OR Literal ending. Now tell me that it does not conflict with mass effect 1.

no, in the IT thats is a lie used in order to get shepard to pick synthesis or control.... and not destory, wich is painted in bad light. 

your getting- quite literally- indoctrinated.

Why would the leviathen lie to you and join you into a fight they know you could lose, because their information are a lie?

[llbountyhunter]

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The created rebelled against the creator ONCE in all history, possibly due to bad programming. This does not mean the central themes of the series have been destroyed even in IT.

It happened once in history but its the whole point mass effect 3 is based around. For that game its the whole theme now. The existence of the reapers are based on this, the existence of the relay, the citadel, pretty much everything as been dragged into this one circular logic from the leviathan. It is the main central theme when ever you dont want to believe it or not. Its the main goal of the enemy and its creators. According to mass effect 3 and its DLC it is the only reason the reaper conflict ever existed... the existance of the story is 100% relying on it. Sounds like a damn important theme to me, bad but important.

actaully the main focus of me3 was to show how very flawed that logic was.... it wasnt a supporting theme... it was more like a glarring idiotic problem, that repeatedly kept telling you just how retarded it was.

[SauliusL]

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The created rebelled against the creator ONCE in all history, possibly due to bad programming. This does not mean the central themes of the series have been destroyed even in IT.

It happened once in history but its the whole point mass effect 3 is based around. For that game its the whole theme now. The existence of the reapers are based on this, the existence of the relay, the citadel, pretty much everything as been dragged into this one circular logic from the leviathan. It is the main central theme when ever you dont want to believe it or not. Its the main goal of the enemy and its creators. According to mass effect 3 and its DLC it is the only reason the reaper conflict ever existed... the existance of the story is 100% relying on it. Sounds like a damn important theme to me, bad but important.

I think it's just hard for you to understand, that there is a technique in writing, where you are supposed not to trust the narrator. It's nothing new, really. But that relys heavily on intelligent reader and full understanding of the plot, motives and minor hints/details.

[SauliusL]

Smeffects wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

There is no missunderstanding. I will make one point that simply make IT just as bad to the series theme since mass effect 1. Now you will try to refute it, with your greater understanding of IT. Because i dont take argumenet of ignorance without trying to explain yourself.

-The ending of mass effect 3, in any version, literal or IT: The created always rebel against the creators. The master race of the universe wanted to stop it, so they decided to Create something to stop it. Think long and hard and tell me this is not the same thing in both IT OR Literal ending. Now tell me that it does not conflict with mass effect 1.

no, in the IT thats is a lie used in order to get shepard to pick synthesis or control.... and not destory, wich is painted in bad light. 

your getting- quite literally- indoctrinated.

Why would the leviathen lie to you and join you into a fight they know you could lose, because their information are a lie?

Do you somehow know the true reason Leviathan joins? Somehow I don't know. I just remember him telling that he joins not for us or any other minor life form, showing he has his secret motives, that he doesn't tell. You trust such guys in your real life?

[llbountyhunter]

Smeffects wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...
What if that Intelligence merged with Harbinger upon its creation. I dont know, was just seeing what people here thought.

Even if that was the case, what would be the purpose of indocatrination to let shepard do exactly what he does literally: Defeat the reapers? Its clear that the star kids do mess with shepards mind a bit, which is why he turned into a kid in the first place. But as i said it does not give or take anything to the ending at this point. The IA is confirmed to have defeated the leviathan whole races without reaper forces. He clearly has other powers and capability outside of them. Meaning that unless he lets himself be defeated as he did, to find a new solution, he could simply start over building his repear forces after defeating the new races with his other means? It all sounds so stupid and out there... but thats exactly the problem with the series, they added too much crap.

You have so much reading and catching up to do, to stop saying it's crap. I mean literally 99 percent of critics come from NOT UNDERSTANDING, or MISSUNDERSTANDING the IT. It's just so sad.

There is no missunderstanding. I will make one point that simply make IT just as bad to the series theme since mass effect 1. Now you will try to refute it, with your greater understanding of IT. Because i dont take argumenet of ignorance without trying to explain yourself.

-The ending of mass effect 3, in any version, literal or IT: The created always rebel against the creators. The master race of the universe wanted to stop it, so they decided to Create something to stop it. Think long and hard and tell me this is not the same thing in both IT OR Literal ending. Now tell me that it does not conflict with mass effect 1.

no, in the IT thats is a lie used in order to get shepard to pick synthesis or control.... and not destory, wich is painted in bad light. 

your getting- quite literally- indoctrinated.

Why would the leviathen lie to you and join you into a fight they know you could lose, because their information are a lie?

litteral or IT, I wouldnt trust the leviathans either way. they also have like zero impact on the ending which makes me think there is more to go.

[The Twilight God]

llbountyhunter wrote...

re-iterating your own stupidity doesnt make it true. slipping in pieces of factual information to garbage does not stop it from bieng garbage. sorry. 

Answer the question, please.

1. What field did you see in ME1 when that chunk of Soveriegn came crashing through the Council chamber windows?2. What field do you see on the wards when you look out of the window between levels in ME2?
3. What field do you see around the Normandy as it is flying through the final battle?
4. What field do you see around the Normandy's private dock in ME1 when no object is moving through it?
5. What field do you see holding the Collector ship atmosphere in (and it clearly has an atmosphere even if non-breathable).
6. What field do you see holding atmosphere around the Collector Base exterior? The Normady just crashes on its surface and everyone hops out (no masks necessary).
7. What field do you see holding atmosphere around the Collector Base interior? On the last platform fight before going to the Terminator there is an opening that leads out into open space. when th eNormandy exits the base there is no visible field even as they emerge out of that tunnel.
8. What field do you see holding atmosphere inside Grissom Academy? When the shuttle takes of why doesn't the room decompress once the bay doors open?

Let me guess... suicide mission a dream because you can't see the mass effect fields?

[Smeffects]

RavenEyry wrote...

The reapers originally being the product of an AI does not make the central theme of the series creator vs created.

So you are saying the reapers would exist without it, according to the leviathan they wouldnt? Im not sure you get what the main theme of a story is? The main theme is usally the reason why a chain of event happens in the first place. If there is no conflict betwen Synthetics and Organics, Leviathans wouldnt have made that AI, if that AI did not exist it wouldnt have came up with its solution, if its solution didnt exist the reapers wouldnt either. This is a clear chain of event that leads directly into mass effect, without this theme, mass effect does not exit. So according to Leviathen DLC and Mass effect 3 ending, it is now the main theme.

[llbountyhunter]

The Twilight God wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

re-iterating your own stupidity doesnt make it true. slipping in pieces of factual information to garbage does not stop it from bieng garbage. sorry. 

Answer the question, please.

1. What field did you see in ME1 when that chunk of Soveriegn came crashing through the Council chamber windows?2. What field do you see on the wards when you look out of the window between levels in ME2?
3. What field do you see around the Normandy as it is flying through the final battle?
4. What field do you see around the Normandy's private dock in ME1 when no object is moving through it?
5. What field do you see holding the Collector ship atmosphere in (and it clearly has an atmosphere even if non-breathable).
6. What field do you see holding atmosphere around the Collector Base exterior? The Normady just crashes on its surface and everyone hops out (no masks necessary).
7. What field do you see holding atmosphere around the Collector Base interior? On the last platform fight before going to the Terminator there is an opening that leads out into open space. when th eNormandy exits the base there is no visible field even as they emerge out of that tunnel.
8. What field do you see holding atmosphere inside Grissom Academy? When the shuttle takes of why doesn't the room decompress once the bay doors open?

Let me guess... suicide mission a dream because you can't see the mass effect fields?

I have now lost all hope on humanity.

[SauliusL]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The created rebelled against the creator ONCE in all history, possibly due to bad programming. This does not mean the central themes of the series have been destroyed even in IT.

It happened once in history but its the whole point mass effect 3 is based around. For that game its the whole theme now. The existence of the reapers are based on this, the existence of the relay, the citadel, pretty much everything as been dragged into this one circular logic from the leviathan. It is the main central theme when ever you dont want to believe it or not. Its the main goal of the enemy and its creators. According to mass effect 3 and its DLC it is the only reason the reaper conflict ever existed... the existance of the story is 100% relying on it. Sounds like a damn important theme to me, bad but important.

actaully the main focus of me3 was to show how very flawed that logic was.... it wasnt a supporting theme... it was more like a glarring idiotic problem, that repeatedly kept telling you just how retarded it was.

Exactly - the writers did a huge effort in forming that opinion, which is suddenly changed by untrustworthy catalyst in final 5 minutes. I mean really - would that happen to any of you in real life? You fight for something for ten years, you come to a meeting with a smart guy, and in 5 minutes he talks you over to join the ones you were against these 10 years? I think there is a name for such people

[Smeffects]

SauliusL wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The created rebelled against the creator ONCE in all history, possibly due to bad programming. This does not mean the central themes of the series have been destroyed even in IT.

It happened once in history but its the whole point mass effect 3 is based around. For that game its the whole theme now. The existence of the reapers are based on this, the existence of the relay, the citadel, pretty much everything as been dragged into this one circular logic from the leviathan. It is the main central theme when ever you dont want to believe it or not. Its the main goal of the enemy and its creators. According to mass effect 3 and its DLC it is the only reason the reaper conflict ever existed... the existance of the story is 100% relying on it. Sounds like a damn important theme to me, bad but important.

I think it's just hard for you to understand, that there is a technique in writing, where you are supposed not to trust the narrator. It's nothing new, really. But that relys heavily on intelligent reader and full understanding of the plot, motives and minor hints/details.

Im not sure you read such a book or series of book yet,  you start with that type of naration at the start of a story and resolve that by the end of the book. You dont change your narration into the final chapter to something you cant trust. Thats not a technique, thats called  complete change in story telling. So even if mass effect 3 was indeed written this way, its still a complete 180 from mass effect 1. Im starting to think story telling technique are very hard for most mass effect fans to grasp at this point.

Modifié par Smeffects, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[RavenEyry]

Creator vs created was always a theme of the series, I don't deny that. We thought it was all sorted at rannoch, but for better or for worse it was brought up again as part of the reapers origin story. The problem with it in the literal ending is it trumps all other themes and forces you to accept Mr. Sparkle's logic on it or everyone dies. An IT ending would bring back the other main themes and possibly even prove Mr. Sparkle wrong if synthetics are involved.

Basically, I don't see how the very existence of a theme you personally don't like would make an IT ending suck.

[llbountyhunter]

Smeffects wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The reapers originally being the product of an AI does not make the central theme of the series creator vs created.

So you are saying the reapers would exist without it, according to the leviathan they wouldnt? Im not sure you get what the main theme of a story is? The main theme is usally the reason why a chain of event happens in the first place. If there is no conflict betwen Synthetics and Organics, Leviathans wouldnt have made that AI, if that AI did not exist it wouldnt have came up with its solution, if its solution didnt exist the reapers wouldnt either. This is a clear chain of event that leads directly into mass effect, without this theme, mass effect does not exit. So according to Leviathen DLC and Mass effect 3 ending, it is now the main theme.

just becuase you figure out who made the reapers doesnt change the focus of the story. its still everyone VS the reapers.

we all always knew that the reapers had a creator...the unveiling of that creator does not have a major impact on the story.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:53 .

[The Twilight God]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Just wondering is the IT 'Con' theory accepted as a possibility by anyone here?

Hadn't heard about it until the other day, a spinoff from the original IT 'dream' theory, where everything that happens post beam actually happens, but is Indoctrinated from Harbingers beam onwards, with Harbinger obviously in his head projecting images like the boy and other memories to fill Shepards surroundings.

Has this been discussed before and either approved or dismissed?

That is Waking Nightmare. which is something alittle different, but valid as far as I can tell. I'd have to look a little deeper into it. http://social.biowar.../index/13474338

IT con only asserts that an indoctrination attempt is taking place. It is up to the player rather or not the indoctrination succeeds or fails. Although certain parts could be a waking hallucination, that is not formally supported. It is "literal" within the narrative, theme and lore of the ME universe. It is a more logical approach to events centered around hard evidence.  

"IT con" - http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Modifié par The Twilight God, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[SauliusL]

The Twilight God wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

re-iterating your own stupidity doesnt make it true. slipping in pieces of factual information to garbage does not stop it from bieng garbage. sorry. 

Answer the question, please.

1. What field did you see in ME1 when that chunk of Soveriegn came crashing through the Council chamber windows?2. What field do you see on the wards when you look out of the window between levels in ME2?
3. What field do you see around the Normandy as it is flying through the final battle?
4. What field do you see around the Normandy's private dock in ME1 when no object is moving through it?
5. What field do you see holding the Collector ship atmosphere in (and it clearly has an atmosphere even if non-breathable).
6. What field do you see holding atmosphere around the Collector Base exterior? The Normady just crashes on its surface and everyone hops out (no masks necessary).
7. What field do you see holding atmosphere around the Collector Base interior? On the last platform fight before going to the Terminator there is an opening that leads out into open space. when th eNormandy exits the base there is no visible field even as they emerge out of that tunnel.
8. What field do you see holding atmosphere inside Grissom Academy? When the shuttle takes of why doesn't the room decompress once the bay doors open?

Let me guess... suicide mission a dream because you can't see the mass effect fields?

I think it's stupid to hold on to some detail and not see the big picture. I know quite some people in my life, who see the puzzle pieces, interpret them as hard as they can, giving them separate meaning, but just are not able to put them together to get the "real" image. And that is not a bad thing, since people have different way of brain patterns, and none are worse than the other. They are just different.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Creator vs created was always a theme of the series, I don't deny that. We thought it was all sorted at rannoch, but for better or for worse it was brought up again as part of the reapers origin story. The problem with it in the literal ending is it trumps all other themes and forces you to accept Mr. Sparkle's logic on it or everyone dies. An IT ending would bring back the other main themes and possibly even prove Mr. Sparkle wrong if synthetics are involved.

Basically, I don't see how the very existence of a theme you personally don't like would make an IT ending suck.

It does because it perpetuate the fact that the stupid logic from the catalyst is legitimate to the whole series. They created a synthetic, to stop other synthetics from revolthing against their creators. IT was completly free from this in the past, now its also tied to this. It will still trumps the other theme, because its the reason the antagonist was made for.