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[TheConstantOne]

I have a question for everyone:

I finished a Destroy playthrough and I swear I saw a *MAKO* in the background of the breath scene. There is a lot of dust in the scene so I couldn't be sure if I was actually seeing a vehicle. Has anyone or can anyone else confirm this? I've viewed the breath scene multiple times since I saw this and I can't come up with anything definitive

[RavenEyry]

desert_beagle wrote...

So, how can anyone during this cycle hope to repair something if they have no idea how it works. If you can't replicate the technology, you certainly can't repair it and expect it to function exactly as it did before.

Well it looks like it just depletes the core, so maybe they just need to be refueled, not repaired. It's still another point of unrealisticness of the ending though.

[BatmanTurian]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

I finished a Destroy playthrough and I swear I saw a *MAKO* in the background of the breath scene. There is a lot of dust in the scene so I couldn't be sure if I was actually seeing a vehicle. Has anyone or can anyone else confirm this? I've viewed the breath scene multiple times since I saw this and I can't come up with anything definitive

A lot of people agree with this.

you can make it out as upside down with tire treads and everything. smoke and dust is obscuring it though, so it's not completely confirmed.

[desert_beagle]

RavenEyry wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

So, how can anyone during this cycle hope to repair something if they have no idea how it works. If you can't replicate the technology, you certainly can't repair it and expect it to function exactly as it did before.

Well it looks like it just depletes the core, so maybe they just need to be refueled, not repaired. It's still another point of unrealisticness of the ending though.

The one the fleets fly by in an actual cutscene during Hackett's Bob the Builder, "Can we build it? YES WE CAN!" speach is pretty broken up.

Also, like I said, if they have no idea how they work, how do you reignite it.  The relays look like independent stations built to transmit mass from point A to point B, but there is never any mention of someone manning them. Has any species ever actually set foot inside a mass relay?

[BatmanTurian]

desert_beagle wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

So, how can anyone during this cycle hope to repair something if they have no idea how it works. If you can't replicate the technology, you certainly can't repair it and expect it to function exactly as it did before.

Well it looks like it just depletes the core, so maybe they just need to be refueled, not repaired. It's still another point of unrealisticness of the ending though.

The one the fleets fly by in an actual cutscene during Hackett's Bob the Builder, "Can we build it? YES WE CAN!" speach is pretty broken up.

Also, like I said, if they have no idea how they work, how do you reignite it.  The relays look like independent stations built to transmit mass from point A to point B, but there is never any mention of someone manning them. Has any species ever actually set foot inside a mass relay?

Anything can be reverse-engineered with enough time, technology, money, and effort.

[paxxton]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Do they not teach physics in high school anymore?

In high school - yes, in high skool - no.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

desert_beagle wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

So, how can anyone during this cycle hope to repair something if they have no idea how it works. If you can't replicate the technology, you certainly can't repair it and expect it to function exactly as it did before.

Well it looks like it just depletes the core, so maybe they just need to be refueled, not repaired. It's still another point of unrealisticness of the ending though.

The one the fleets fly by in an actual cutscene during Hackett's Bob the Builder, "Can we build it? YES WE CAN!" speach is pretty broken up.

Also, like I said, if they have no idea how they work, how do you reignite it.  The relays look like independent stations built to transmit mass from point A to point B, but there is never any mention of someone manning them. Has any species ever actually set foot inside a mass relay?

Considering the outer shell of a Relay can withstand a supernova and destroying one results in the destruction of the system...no I dont think anyone has set foot inside or ever wanted to set foot inside a relay.

[jgibson14352]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

I finished a Destroy playthrough and I swear I saw a *MAKO* in the background of the breath scene. There is a lot of dust in the scene so I couldn't be sure if I was actually seeing a vehicle. Has anyone or can anyone else confirm this? I've viewed the breath scene multiple times since I saw this and I can't come up with anything definitive

personally im 50/50 on this. it looks like it, but it also looks like its just a trick, so who knows

[desert_beagle]

BatmanTurian wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

So, how can anyone during this cycle hope to repair something if they have no idea how it works. If you can't replicate the technology, you certainly can't repair it and expect it to function exactly as it did before.

Well it looks like it just depletes the core, so maybe they just need to be refueled, not repaired. It's still another point of unrealisticness of the ending though.

The one the fleets fly by in an actual cutscene during Hackett's Bob the Builder, "Can we build it? YES WE CAN!" speach is pretty broken up.

Also, like I said, if they have no idea how they work, how do you reignite it.  The relays look like independent stations built to transmit mass from point A to point B, but there is never any mention of someone manning them. Has any species ever actually set foot inside a mass relay?

Anything can be reverse-engineered with enough time, technology, money, and effort.

Yes, I agree.  I'm just saying that at this point in the galaxy technoligically, no species was even trying to reverse engineer them.  In fact Liara's "father" makes a point of telling you in the bar on Illium that her idea to build their own relays was laughed at.  

They would have to start from complete scratch while using conventional FTL to move resources and personnel in the meantime.  I'm just saying that to truly fix those suckers it would be a matter of decades or even close to a century of work to actually get them up and running again, not a matter of months or a few years like our beloved vacation slideshow tells us or makes it appear to be.

[RavenEyry]

10110001110100 wrote...

Hey you guys have probably covered this already but with the choice, how does Shep know what to do? The Catalyst never says "grab a hold of those wires" or "shoot a bit of the machine" or "pretend you're Buffy". There's just a cut-scene of someone doing these things.
If that's Shepard seeing these things rather than the player (which would be the only way to explain how S/He knows what to do) then how did those images get there? If those images are there what other ones are there? Is glowboy, in fact, running the show?

I don't know about EC, but in the original Shepard reacts to the flashes of Anderson and TIM as if they'd personally seen them.

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Considering the outer shell of a Relay can withstand a supernova and destroying one results in the destruction of the system...no I dont think anyone has set foot inside or ever wanted to set foot inside a relay.

Do they even have an 'inside'? Even if they're hollow do they have floors and jeffries tubes and such?

[jgibson14352]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

So, how can anyone during this cycle hope to repair something if they have no idea how it works. If you can't replicate the technology, you certainly can't repair it and expect it to function exactly as it did before.

Well it looks like it just depletes the core, so maybe they just need to be refueled, not repaired. It's still another point of unrealisticness of the ending though.

The one the fleets fly by in an actual cutscene during Hackett's Bob the Builder, "Can we build it? YES WE CAN!" speach is pretty broken up.

Also, like I said, if they have no idea how they work, how do you reignite it.  The relays look like independent stations built to transmit mass from point A to point B, but there is never any mention of someone manning them. Has any species ever actually set foot inside a mass relay?

Considering the outer shell of a Relay can withstand a supernova and destroying one results in the destruction of the system...no I dont think anyone has set foot inside or ever wanted to set foot inside a relay.

the codex tells us that the second anyone tries to mess with a relay it goes into a quantum lock. it creates a forcefield thats a lot like a biotic stasis field that prevents even the most high tech laser drills from taking even the smallest piece for study. you literally cannot touch a relay without an asteroid that will destroy it.

[Home run MF]

Restrider wrote...

Home Run MF wrote...
 Are you familiar with the applications of tungsten?

Yes... I am. As dopant in high quality steel. Used as material for high temperature coils that can be used to evaporize other metals (did it today.... DIE ALUMINUM, DIE!!!!). And as core part of my beloved light bulb, which has been forbidden in my home country to be replaced by low consumption bulbs filled with toxic waste (aka mercury). 
/mad scientist
Questioning my mental stage after this is totally reasonable.

Do you need to see a doctor? 

Also Dr. Ann Bryson has survived her ordeal with Leviathan's artifact and retains most of her mental faculties. Her research into paleotechnology could be useful in understanding the Prothean device and the laws of high-energy physics that the Reapers seem to ignore.

Modifié par Home run MF, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[Restrider]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I think game mechanics is a bad comparision

But a very different comparision and one I have made before is to the Hiroshima Atomic Bomb.

More precisely take a look at these numbers: The Hiroshima Atomic Bomb´s actual fireball, like what we see the Citadel beeing engulfed by was "just" around 400m in diameter, but the heat ignited a firestorm with a diameter of 3.2 km. The shockwave of the same explosion caused damage to buildings in roughly the same area.

I know different rules are in place in space, but the fireball we see is engulfing the place Shepard is or at least nearly engulfing it and considering the effects of a fireball "just" 400m in diameter what do people think will happen to Shepard when the fireball is kilometers in diameter and he is within, what, 1 km of the center?

Okay guys.
I did some number crunching in my spare time.

I watched
the explosion and estimated the power of it.

 

The diameter of the Citadel (opened) is d = 12 800 m

The net mass of the Citadel is m net = 7,11*10^12 kg

The net mass of one Ward is estimated to be m = 1,422*10^12 kg

See the
image below:
img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/3rj23qwyex6.png

The distance between the moving Ward and the inner ring is x = 14 px

The constant to convert px into m is z = 266,67 m/px (Citadel diameter used as reference)

Thus x = 3733,4 m

Time elapsed during the movement t = 3 sec

With x = 0,5 * a * t²  we get

<=> a = 2 * x/t² = 829,6 m/sec² = 85 g (g being Earth's aceleration)


With v = a * t we get

<=>  v (t = 3 sec)  = 829,6 m/sec² * 3 sec = 2488,8 m/sec

Applying F = m * a we get : F = 1,422*10^12 kg * 829,6 m/sec² = 5,9 * 10^15 N

Applying E = 0,5 * m * v² we get: E = 0,5 * 1,422*10^12 kg * (2488,8 m/sec)² = 22 * 10^18J = 5263 MT

And this is only for the movement of this one exemplary Ward! You would need to integrate the whole volume around the Presidium in all three dimensions to get the real number.

If you use a pentagonal Bipyramid and assume that each edge could be considered to store the same amount of energydensity such at the Ward, we have to multiplicate it with 15.

This leads us to a total energy of  E = 78 945 MT = 4 934 063 Hiroshima Bombs.

 *But magic forcefields* --- Sounds legit.

 

References:

Video: 2:58 - 3:01

Net mass and diameter: http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel

TNT equivalent: http://en.wikipedia..../TNT_equivalent

Little Boy: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Little_Boy

€: Again this is a shot estimation that shows the sheer amount of energy Shepard would have to survive.
+ Formating and Link

Modifié par Restrider, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[paxxton]

What's the OP name for this weekend?

[Dwailing]

Well, today is a great day for gamers everywhere! The Black Mesa mod of Half-Life 2 officially has a release date. Anyway, I alao have something I'm going to share that should spark a bit of speculation. Give me a few minutes and I'll post the link.

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I think game mechanics is a bad comparision

But a very different comparision and one I have made before is to the Hiroshima Atomic Bomb.

More precisely take a look at these numbers: The Hiroshima Atomic Bomb´s actual fireball, like what we see the Citadel beeing engulfed by was "just" around 400m in diameter, but the heat ignited a firestorm with a diameter of 3.2 km. The shockwave of the same explosion caused damage to buildings in roughly the same area.

I know different rules are in place in space, but the fireball we see is engulfing the place Shepard is or at least nearly engulfing it and considering the effects of a fireball "just" 400m in diameter what do people think will happen to Shepard when the fireball is kilometers in diameter and he is within, what, 1 km of the center?

4934063 Hiroshima Bombs.

Holy s***.

Thanks  for the number-crunching.

[TheConstantOne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

I finished a Destroy playthrough and I swear I saw a *MAKO* in the background of the breath scene. There is a lot of dust in the scene so I couldn't be sure if I was actually seeing a vehicle. Has anyone or can anyone else confirm this? I've viewed the breath scene multiple times since I saw this and I can't come up with anything definitive

A lot of people agree with this.

you can make it out as upside down with tire treads and everything. smoke and dust is obscuring it though, so it's not completely confirmed.

jgibson14352 wrote...

personally im 50/50 on this. it looks like it, but it also looks like its just a trick, so who knows

Thanks for the info. It could be promising but I agree: there's too much doubt to that it is definitely a Mako

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

Well, today is a great day for gamers everywhere! The Black Mesa mod of Half-Life 2 officially has a release date. Anyway, I alao have something I'm going to share that should spark a bit of speculation. Give me a few minutes and I'll post the link.

Mind if I ask what's the release date?

[Home run MF]

paxxton wrote...

What's the OP name for this weekend?

If you're talking about MP there is none until next week.

[BatmanTurian]

TheConstantOne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

I finished a Destroy playthrough and I swear I saw a *MAKO* in the background of the breath scene. There is a lot of dust in the scene so I couldn't be sure if I was actually seeing a vehicle. Has anyone or can anyone else confirm this? I've viewed the breath scene multiple times since I saw this and I can't come up with anything definitive

A lot of people agree with this.

you can make it out as upside down with tire treads and everything. smoke and dust is obscuring it though, so it's not completely confirmed.

jgibson14352 wrote...

personally im 50/50 on this. it looks like it, but it also looks like its just a trick, so who knows

Thanks for the info. It could be promising but I agree: there's too much doubt to that it is definitely a Mako

keeps with the "speculations" theme bioware is doing.


*EDIT* Just made this to post against that stupid spongebob meme about indoctrination they always pull out

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[Eryri]

Hi Guys. I've been thinking over possible theories about what's going on and I wondered what you guys thought of my half baked attempts to make sense of all this

Looking ahead to future DLC - assuming that the catalyst is lying about who and what he is, do you guys think it's possible that the true "intelligence" that Leviathan spoke of is hiding on Omega? I'm thinking that maybe Omega is a Citadel mark 1, as it seems to look older and more primitive than the citadel. Perhaps Harbinger and the other reapers rebelled against the intelligence just as it rebelled against the Leviathans, and started reaping purely to benefit themselves - i.e. for simple reproduction?

Or maybe the intelligence is Avina? Leviathan did say that the intelligence was still performing its function. Perhaps it thought better of the reaper solution and started trying to encourage diplomacy in the galaxy after the reapers turned on it?

Or, maybe "Starbinger" is actually "Steviathan"? The Leviathans released the plans for the crucible, but because they couldn't be sure of the technological level of whatever civilisation actually got to build it - they gave it three possible levels of functionality.

At the most basic, easy to build level it kills off the Reapers allowing the Leviathans to come out of hiding. This explains why the "Catalyst" offers the destroy option without too much resistance. It's not the ideal solution for the Leviathans as they lose the chance to dominate the reapers, but it's by no means a disaster for them.

At a more advanced level it allows them to control a ready made reaper army through one of their thralls (Shepard).

At the highest level (synthesis) it implants mind controlling tech in all organics, enable the Leviathans to enthrall the entire galaxy in one fell swoop.

Well anyway, I just wanted to say I'm still enjoying everyone's speculations on this thread. I really hope the IT is Bioware's plan, and if not, you guys have put together a much more compelling ending. Bravo.

Modifié par Eryri, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[paxxton]

Home run MF wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What's the OP name for this weekend?

If you're talking about MP there is none until next week.

What? But the OPs used to be every 2 weeks.

[paxxton]

So I came across an interview with Raphael Sbarge conducted during ME3 Launch Event. The interviewer strongly implied based on his previous interview with Casey Hudson that there is going to be Mass Effect 4.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 septembre 2012 - 05:25 .