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[BansheeOwnage]

@ GBHeron I understand your reasons for not liking the end. But the point of each big choice in ME is that there are downsides to all of them. That's what makes it a choice. Just pick the lesser of the evils: destroy. It's not actually genocide. The geth signed up for this, they knew it was a possiblity. As well, if IT is true, it doesn't matter anyway because we haven't got to the end yet. In fact, I think the ending being so depressing no matter what is beg evidence for IT.

And, perfect timing! You like it Estebanusister?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BANSHEE!

Hello! I'm on top of this page!

As expected, of course! Don't worry, I'm ready! Next time, I'll be on top!

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BANSHEE!

Hello! I'm on top of this page!

As expected, of course! Don't worry, I'm ready! Next time, I'll be on top!

Are you sure?

[GreatBlueHeron]

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

I'm going for the obvious "it's only a made-up story" theory. I'm not trying to troll. It's honestly the only way I can make sense of the terrible endings.

That's lazy thinking but expected from most players, I guess.

Lazy thinking?  Really?  That's all you got?  Try harder next time.

And to answer an earlier poster (my response got eaten up somehow), Bioware is the pessimist.

There are no legit paragon ending choices.  The way that I played my Shepard the endings simply do not gel.  Here are your choices:

1. play a god (this is bad)
2. take away autonomy
3.  genocide
4.  even more genocide because you do nothing

I love the game and I can appreciate the dark side of things, but these choices absolutely do not follow with the theme of the game.  The rug was pulled out from under my feet.  What happened to teamwork, cooperation and overcoming insurmountable odds by doing the right thing?  I still cry at the end because I'm emotionally invested into the game, but the end leaves me disappointed.  The best place to quit playing is right after Anderson dies.      

Alright, well if you don't like the story, no reason to stick around here.

Reading comprehension problem, much?  Where did I say I don't like the story?  Everything is great up until the nonsensical ending.  Maybe you should leave.

[BatmanTurian]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

I'm going for the obvious "it's only a made-up story" theory. I'm not trying to troll. It's honestly the only way I can make sense of the terrible endings.

I'd prefer to believe it's not bad writing, as the evidence suggests. If you want to be a pessimist, by all means do so. I just hope we'll all get answers...

Bioware is the pessimist. 

There are no legit paragon ending choices for the game.  Every single one of them is varying degrees of renegade.  How I played my Shepard does not align with any of the choices.  I'm not sure that the writing is bad (after all, the endings still manage to make me cry--this is an emotional game for me), just incredibly depressing.  I do appreciate the dark side of things, but the endings go completely against the theme of the series.  Your choices amount to 1. commit genocide, 2. play a god, 3. take away autonomy and 4. commit a ton a genocide by doing nothing.  Terrible, terrible, terrible. 

You're not looking deep enough. Skin-deep on a story like this is too shallow.

What I'm pointing out is the deeper meaning.  The shallow side is this:

Control-- The reapers no longer attack--therefore peace
Synthesis--Everyone lives in harmony
Destroy--The reapers no longer exist--therefore peace
Refuse--Shepard has integrety, if nothing else


Since you think there's some kind of deeper meaning to this game where there's clearly not, I would love to hear your take on things.  If you're going to answer something along the means of "you wouldn't understand anyways", then don't bother replying.  You obviously have nothing. 

I have a large community in this very thread that disagrees with you and has sifted through the game's dialogue to provide evidence for their claim.

[TheConstantOne]

Lokanaiya wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I know. We should also stop talking about the breath scene being on the citadel or earth seriously. These idiots just will get it. Maybe physics should be a required course in school?

Physics is not a required course in school were you live? Oh the humanity!

Alas, no.  Where are you?

...It's not? Where do you live?

Canada. Are you seriously telling me that physics is required in Texas and not here? Because if you are, that's just plain sad.

Yeah. Chemistry, Biology, and Chemistry are all required to graduate.

Well, at least you don't have to deal with Creationism being taught in schools.

Oh, Creationism, why must you keep clouding people's thoughts.

I see that akin to some people believeing that the Earth is only 10,000 years old...   

[Norlond]

The moons weight is less when a kid is standing on him and he has to stop visiting Burger King if a krogan is standing on him

[BatmanTurian]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

I'm going for the obvious "it's only a made-up story" theory. I'm not trying to troll. It's honestly the only way I can make sense of the terrible endings.

That's lazy thinking but expected from most players, I guess.

Lazy thinking?  Really?  That's all you got?  Try harder next time.

And to answer an earlier poster (my response got eaten up somehow), Bioware is the pessimist.

There are no legit paragon ending choices.  The way that I played my Shepard the endings simply do not gel.  Here are your choices:

1. play a god (this is bad)
2. take away autonomy
3.  genocide
4.  even more genocide because you do nothing

I love the game and I can appreciate the dark side of things, but these choices absolutely do not follow with the theme of the game.  The rug was pulled out from under my feet.  What happened to teamwork, cooperation and overcoming insurmountable odds by doing the right thing?  I still cry at the end because I'm emotionally invested into the game, but the end leaves me disappointed.  The best place to quit playing is right after Anderson dies.      

Alright, well if you don't like the story, no reason to stick around here.

Reading comprehension problem, much?  Where did I say I don't like the story?  Everything is great up until the nonsensical ending.  Maybe you should leave.

The ending is part of the story. So you don't like the story. This is simple logic. This really isn't the thread to complain about the ending actually. There's numerous threads on BSN to do unproductive things like that.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[BansheeOwnage]

https://twitter.com/...683116576178178

"@BioEvilChris i member mr sheen sayin in ME3 preview 'im not done yet'.. Curious! We never actually see wot happens to TIM if shep is indoc"

"@BioEvilChris im jealous u see the bigger picture and we dont"

"@comicbookguy_UK The joys of being an employee. ;)"

Just thought it was interesting.

[GreatBlueHeron]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ GBHeron I understand your reasons for not liking the end. But the point of each big choice in ME is that there are downsides to all of them. That's what makes it a choice. Just pick the lesser of the evils: destroy. It's not actually genocide. The geth signed up for this, they knew it was a possiblity. As well, if IT is true, it doesn't matter anyway because we haven't got to the end yet. In fact, I think the ending being so depressing no matter what is beg evidence for IT.

And, perfect timing! You like it Estebanusister?

Downsides are fine--Mordin's sacrifice, Thane's sacrifice...etc.  I cried at those parts.  It hurt, but it was a good hurt. 

I can't do that to the geth and edi.  They are sentient--therefore, genocide.  Besides, Leviathan makes destroy a more difficult choice.   

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

https://twitter.com/...683116576178178

"@BioEvilChris i member mr sheen sayin in ME3 preview 'im not done yet'.. Curious! We never actually see wot happens to TIM if shep is indoc"

"@BioEvilChris im jealous u see the bigger picture and we dont"

"@comicbookguy_UK The joys of being an employee. ;)"

Just thought it was interesting.

nevermind. was reading your twitter convo wrong. Yeah they're not going to give up anything on twitter.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:40 .

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BANSHEE!

Hello! I'm on top of this page!

As expected, of course! Don't worry, I'm ready! Next time, I'll be on top!

Are you sure?

Damn!

[Norlond]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

https://twitter.com/...683116576178178

"@BioEvilChris i member mr sheen sayin in ME3 preview 'im not done yet'.. Curious! We never actually see wot happens to TIM if shep is indoc"

"@BioEvilChris im jealous u see the bigger picture and we dont"

"@comicbookguy_UK The joys of being an employee. ;)"

Just thought it was interesting.

nevermind. was reading your twitter convo wrong. Yeah they're not going to give up anything on twitter.

I'm not even sure if Chris knows what's coming, he's "just" community manager after all

[BatmanTurian]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ GBHeron I understand your reasons for not liking the end. But the point of each big choice in ME is that there are downsides to all of them. That's what makes it a choice. Just pick the lesser of the evils: destroy. It's not actually genocide. The geth signed up for this, they knew it was a possiblity. As well, if IT is true, it doesn't matter anyway because we haven't got to the end yet. In fact, I think the ending being so depressing no matter what is beg evidence for IT.

And, perfect timing! You like it Estebanusister?

Downsides are fine--Mordin's sacrifice, Thane's sacrifice...etc.  I cried at those parts.  It hurt, but it was a good hurt. 

I can't do that to the geth and edi.  They are sentient--therefore, genocide.  Besides, Leviathan makes destroy a more difficult choice.   

Geth and EDI say they would rather have nonfunctionality than exist under the Reapers. They signed up for victory at any cost, just like everyone else.

If you want to blame someone, blame Legion. He's the one that uploaded the Reaper code. Goofy robot.

[GreatBlueHeron]

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

I'm going for the obvious "it's only a made-up story" theory. I'm not trying to troll. It's honestly the only way I can make sense of the terrible endings.

That's lazy thinking but expected from most players, I guess.

Lazy thinking?  Really?  That's all you got?  Try harder next time.

And to answer an earlier poster (my response got eaten up somehow), Bioware is the pessimist.

There are no legit paragon ending choices.  The way that I played my Shepard the endings simply do not gel.  Here are your choices:

1. play a god (this is bad)
2. take away autonomy
3.  genocide
4.  even more genocide because you do nothing

I love the game and I can appreciate the dark side of things, but these choices absolutely do not follow with the theme of the game.  The rug was pulled out from under my feet.  What happened to teamwork, cooperation and overcoming insurmountable odds by doing the right thing?  I still cry at the end because I'm emotionally invested into the game, but the end leaves me disappointed.  The best place to quit playing is right after Anderson dies.      

Alright, well if you don't like the story, no reason to stick around here.

Reading comprehension problem, much?  Where did I say I don't like the story?  Everything is great up until the nonsensical ending.  Maybe you should leave.

The ending is part of the story. So you don't like the story. This is simple logic. This really isn't the thread to complain about the ending actually. There's numerous threads on BSN to do unproductive things like that.

One can like a pizza...see a topping on there that they don't like...pick it off and still eat the pizza.  Not liking a particular topping does not mean that one therefore doesn't like pizza. 

I don't agree with IT.  It's interesting to speculate about, but there's nothing in-game to confirm it.  If it is IT and Bioware releases dlc with the REAL ending, even more people are going to be pissed.

[BatmanTurian]

Norlond wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

https://twitter.com/...683116576178178

"@BioEvilChris i member mr sheen sayin in ME3 preview 'im not done yet'.. Curious! We never actually see wot happens to TIM if shep is indoc"

"@BioEvilChris im jealous u see the bigger picture and we dont"

"@comicbookguy_UK The joys of being an employee. ;)"

Just thought it was interesting.

nevermind. was reading your twitter convo wrong. Yeah they're not going to give up anything on twitter.

I'm not even sure if Chris knows what's coming, he's "just" community manager after all

I'm sure he knows a little. More than we know and before we know.

[Norlond]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
 there's nothing in-game to confirm it

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

https://twitter.com/...683116576178178

"@BioEvilChris i member mr sheen sayin in ME3 preview 'im not done yet'.. Curious! We never actually see wot happens to TIM if shep is indoc"

"@BioEvilChris im jealous u see the bigger picture and we dont"

"@comicbookguy_UK The joys of being an employee. ;)"

Just thought it was interesting.

Extremely. The first time someone from BioWare mentioned that quote from Sheen. And the other part. Why would he even say that? Everybody saw TIM dead.

[BatmanTurian]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

I'm going for the obvious "it's only a made-up story" theory. I'm not trying to troll. It's honestly the only way I can make sense of the terrible endings.

That's lazy thinking but expected from most players, I guess.

Lazy thinking?  Really?  That's all you got?  Try harder next time.

And to answer an earlier poster (my response got eaten up somehow), Bioware is the pessimist.

There are no legit paragon ending choices.  The way that I played my Shepard the endings simply do not gel.  Here are your choices:

1. play a god (this is bad)
2. take away autonomy
3.  genocide
4.  even more genocide because you do nothing

I love the game and I can appreciate the dark side of things, but these choices absolutely do not follow with the theme of the game.  The rug was pulled out from under my feet.  What happened to teamwork, cooperation and overcoming insurmountable odds by doing the right thing?  I still cry at the end because I'm emotionally invested into the game, but the end leaves me disappointed.  The best place to quit playing is right after Anderson dies.      

Alright, well if you don't like the story, no reason to stick around here.

Reading comprehension problem, much?  Where did I say I don't like the story?  Everything is great up until the nonsensical ending.  Maybe you should leave.

The ending is part of the story. So you don't like the story. This is simple logic. This really isn't the thread to complain about the ending actually. There's numerous threads on BSN to do unproductive things like that.

One can like a pizza...see a topping on there that they don't like...pick it off and still eat the pizza.  Not liking a particular topping does not mean that one therefore doesn't like pizza. 

I don't agree with IT.  It's interesting to speculate about, but there's nothing in-game to confirm it.  If it is IT and Bioware releases dlc with the REAL ending, even more people are going to be pissed.

Sorry you feel that way, but it's your opinion that everyone will be pissed, not a fact. Fun fact, multiple polls have shown more people would prefer IT than the current ending. IT is the only way to save it unless they have something equally brilliant.

[Norlond]

Banshee you should edit your post, people are misunderstanding it

Modifié par Norlond, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:45 .

[BatmanTurian]

Norlond wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
 there's nothing in-game to confirm it

Just let it go. I told him to look deeper. He would rather complain and make up things to support his complaints.

[Samtheman63]

well there isn't, otherwise everyone would believe it

[Norlond]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Norlond wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
 there's nothing in-game to confirm it

Just let it go. I told him to look deeper. He would rather complain and make up things to support his complaints.

[paxxton]

Off-topic but inspiring:

Modifié par paxxton, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:49 .

[BatmanTurian]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Norlond wrote...

GreatBlueHeron wrote...
 there's nothing in-game to confirm it

Just let it go. I told him to look deeper. He would rather complain and make up things to support his complaints.

Times like this make me wish HellishFiend, FellishBeast, and Arian were around at the moment.