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[estebanus]

Top!

Take that, Banshee! Yeah, that's how you like it, isn't it?

Modifié par estebanus, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:50 .

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It's like saying you haven't seen any Star Wars, Star Trek or The Matrix.

What's a Star Wars? And what's a Star Trek?














Just kidding! Could you imagine?

OMG. I was afraid...

[Restrider]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I know. We should also stop talking about the breath scene being on the citadel or earth seriously. These idiots just will get it. Maybe physics should be a required course in school?

Physics is not a required course in school were you live? Oh the humanity!

Alas, no.  Where are you?

...It's not? Where do you live?

Canada. Are you seriously telling me that physics is required in Texas and not here? Because if you are, that's just plain sad.

Germany here. And Biology, Physics and Chemistry are not optional. Of course you can intensify these subjects later on, but everyone has to have the basics at school.

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Hello, everyone! I'm not going to read 20 pages, so what did i miss? (quick recap)

arguing and offtopic.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Do you listen to the RT podcast?

I kinda wanna try that stuff Gus was talking about that gives him tons of dreams.

No what is it?

He says he's been taking this Alpha Brain stuff, and that its giving him tons of dreams.

Michael and Gavin both say its giving them lots of dreams too. Seems kind of interesting.

Also: You dont listen to the Rooster Teeth podcast?

How dare you, my good sir? Thats the second best thing RT does, right behind RvB.

[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

Germany here. And Biology, Physics and Chemistry are not optional. Of course you can intensify these subjects later on, but everyone has to have the basics at school.

I take it you go to a german school? I live in Germany too, and I went to a danish school. Biology, physics, and chemistry are not optional there until 11th grade, where you can then choose a profile to expand upon.
Me, having chosen lingual, did not get more physics and chemistry, so I'm kinda behind on that.

[spotlessvoid]

So basically Dwailing:
The Leviathan don't recognize the right to self determination of synthetics so view anything but absolute obedience is viewed as rebellion.
The Leviathan and AI view organics as hardware and software respectively hence failing to understand organics.
And the AI/Leviathan have assumed their view based on their original organic vs synthetic conflict, and not from the history of the cycles

Am I getting it right?

[demersel]

I gave up on trying to catch up like 10 pages ago.
The main debate there was about how leviathan trivializes the reapers and proves the existebce of the catalyst.

The one thing i don't understand is why all those people fail to take into account the possibility that IF it is true, the catalyst is inside our dream/hallucination simply because levithan told us about the concept for such a thing. Remeber- the leviathan happens before we meet the catalyst. This way the ending sequence consists ENTIRELY of the facts and notions previosly known to Shepard. It may not even be harbinger affecting him - he just smashed his head and the indoctrination that was aleady in him puts up this image. Without any influence from the outside. Before leviathan there was a doubt in that since the whole catalyst thing seemed to be right out of the blue and thus over imposed - but now, it isn't.

Edit: My point is - we really don't know the real logic and motivation of the reapers. We know just what the leviathan told us about it (and frankly - it doesn't seem that the leviathnas saw that coming, and really understand what really has happened. They just know their side of the story. And their side of the story is that the created an AI to preserve all life at all cost, and first thing it did was getting rid of the leviathans.) - and that is why we have the catalyst with the exact same logic and reasoning in the ending. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:01 .

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Top!

Take that, Banshee! Yeah, that's how you like it, isn't it?

You know me too well. 

[hangmans tree]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Well, now we've established you're either stupid, delusional, or trolling.

we did that? Why, its good to know, thank you.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Nothing gets past that second explosion even after surviving the one from shooting the gun. The first explosion is enough, with searing the lungs and third degree burns over 2/3rds of the body. The second explosion would make any organic, cyber-enhanced or not, disintegrate. It's just bulls**t to claim otherwise.

SO you want to convince me that that second explosion (after the beam) would eradicate anything with its radious but fail to acknowledge the ring structure being intact? So, what kinda explosion is that? And for the moment being lets forget about Xplosions and vacum to give you field to entertain me with logic and science.

1st xplosion  - of the red ending panel - have u forgoten how much of a borg Shepard is? 2/3rds of the body? Is Shepard naked? Under the, badly damaged but still, armour - skin and muscle enchancements, densier waves of skin and all that. Read some of the upgrade entries from ME2
let me quote few FACTS:
- By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made
almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow
for bone regenerations in a matter of days.
- Perforating the muscles with micro-fibers increases overall strength and
decreases the potential for muscle damage from exertion.
- Strong synthetic fibers can be woven through the skin, dramatically
reducing damage taken from most attacks. These fibers also act as a
medi-gel conduit, improving healing.
Not to mention shield and medical upgrades to the armour - those could be/are badly damaged.
So you think that Shep is unlikely to survive a minor explosion of the equipement? He didnt even catch on fire after that... but you would of course wave that off to please your point of view.

BatmanTurian wrote...
Also, the flycam floor doesn't match the concrete. Why would Reapers use concrete in a place no Organic is expected to go anyway? Any way you look at it, it's illogical. You would do well to rethink all of this instead of ignoring physics in a game where they spend time paying attention to phyics. The Mass Effect itself depends on knowledge of advanced physics.

That really cracked me up. You really belive that? Not that they pieced together most belivable pseudo scientific theories of their own under the blanket of todays real scientific knowledge/theories? Maybe? Just maybe?
The Mass Effect itself depends on knowledge of advanced physics... please point me to that part of your truth, I will gladly take notes.
Maybe physics of sound traveling through empty space? Humming noise of big vessels in vacuum? Maybe eezo and its advanced physics? What exactly, please tell me.

EDIT:
I'm going to sleep, and tomorrow is a busy day at work, I think I may not be able to read any answers to my post in 14-16 hours or so. By that time the posts may be deeply burried judging by the speed of the replays. This could be my last entry.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

I gave up on trying to catch up like 10 pages ago.
The main debate there was about how leviathan trivializes the reapers and proves the existebce of the catalyst.

The one thing i don't understand is why all those people fail to take into account the possibility that IF it is true, the catalyst is inside our dream/hallucination simply because levithan told us about the concept for such a thing. Remeber- the leviathan happens before we meet the catalyst. This way the ending sequence consists ENTIRELY of the facts and notions previosly known to Shepard. It may not even be harbinger affecting him - he just smashed his head and the indoctrination that was aleady in him puts up this image. Without any influence from the outside. Before leviathan there was a doubt in that since the whole catalyst thing seemed to be right out of the blue and thus over imposed - but now, it isn't.

Of course. Why haven't I thought about it? But Harbinger does influence the dream. Shepard's memories give voice to his words.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

I gave up on trying to catch up like 10 pages ago.
The main debate there was about how leviathan trivializes the reapers and proves the existebce of the catalyst.

The one thing i don't understand is why all those people fail to take into account the possibility that IF it is true, the catalyst is inside our dream/hallucination simply because levithan told us about the concept for such a thing. Remeber- the leviathan happens before we meet the catalyst. This way the ending sequence consists ENTIRELY of the facts and notions previosly known to Shepard. It may not even be harbinger affecting him - he just smashed his head and the indoctrination that was aleady in him puts up this image. Without any influence from the outside. Before leviathan there was a doubt in that since the whole catalyst thing seemed to be right out of the blue and thus over imposed - but now, it isn't.

Yes, exactly. Now we have 2 instances to prepare us for the alternate reality in ME3. Leviathan, and the geth consensus. No one can argue it is unprecendented, because the geth consensus isn't even DLC. People really don't pay attention.  

[estebanus]

Well, I'm going to bed now. see you soon, folks!

[FreddyCast]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Do you listen to the RT podcast?

I kinda wanna try that stuff Gus was talking about that gives him tons of dreams.

No what is it?

He says he's been taking this Alpha Brain stuff, and that its giving him tons of dreams.

Michael and Gavin both say its giving them lots of dreams too. Seems kind of interesting.

Also: You dont listen to the Rooster Teeth podcast?

How dare you, my good sir? Thats the second best thing RT does, right behind RvB.

Hey byne,
Have you seen my IT video yet,
Here it is:
Enter if you dare
If you like it and believe it worthy of the IT name, add it to your post.

[BansheeOwnage]

hangmans tree wrote...

I only have one thing to say here. The images in the EC slides of the citadel are inconsistent with the in game footage of the endings. The slides don't make sense in general.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm going to bed now. see you soon, folks!

Goodnight Estebanus! Sweet dreams!

[BatmanTurian]

hangmans tree wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Well, now we've established you're either stupid, delusional, or trolling.

we did that? Why, its good to know, thank you.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Nothing gets past that second explosion even after surviving the one from shooting the gun. The first explosion is enough, with searing the lungs and third degree burns over 2/3rds of the body. The second explosion would make any organic, cyber-enhanced or not, disintegrate. It's just bulls**t to claim otherwise.

SO you want to convince me that that second explosion (after the beam) would eradicate anything with its radious but fail to acknowledge the ring structure being intact? So, what kinda explosion is that? And for the moment being lets forget about Xplosions and vacum to give you field to entertain me with logic and science.

1st xplosion  - of the red ending panel - have u forgoten how much of a borg Shepard is? 2/3rds of the body? Is Shepard naked? Under the, badly damaged but still, armour - skin and muscle enchancements, densier waves of skin and all that. Read some of the upgrade entries from ME2
let me quote few FACTS:
- By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made
almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow
for bone regenerations in a matter of days.
- Perforating the muscles with micro-fibers increases overall strength and
decreases the potential for muscle damage from exertion.
- Strong synthetic fibers can be woven through the skin, dramatically
reducing damage taken from most attacks. These fibers also act as a
medi-gel conduit, improving healing.
Not to mention shield and medical upgrades to the armour - those could be/are badly damaged.
So you think that Shep is unlikely to survive a minor explosion of the equipement? He didnt even catch on fire after that... but you would of course wave that off to please your point of view.

BatmanTurian wrote...
Also, the flycam floor doesn't match the concrete. Why would Reapers use concrete in a place no Organic is expected to go anyway? Any way you look at it, it's illogical. You would do well to rethink all of this instead of ignoring physics in a game where they spend time paying attention to phyics. The Mass Effect itself depends on knowledge of advanced physics.

That really cracked me up. You really belive that? Not that they pieced together most belivable pseudo scientific theories of their own under the blanket of todays real scientific knowledge/theories? Maybe? Just maybe?
The Mass Effect itself depends on knowledge of advanced physics... please point me to that part of your truth, I will gladly take notes.
Maybe physics of sound traveling through empty space? Humming noise of big vessels in vacuum? Maybe eezo and its advanced physics? What exactly, please tell me.

Someone else handle this guy. I might post something I'll regret.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Also: You dont listen to the Rooster Teeth podcast?

How dare you, my good sir? Thats the second best thing RT does, right behind RvB.

Please don't kill me Byne!  

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

I gave up on trying to catch up like 10 pages ago.
The main debate there was about how leviathan trivializes the reapers and proves the existebce of the catalyst.

The one thing i don't understand is why all those people fail to take into account the possibility that IF it is true, the catalyst is inside our dream/hallucination simply because levithan told us about the concept for such a thing. Remeber- the leviathan happens before we meet the catalyst. This way the ending sequence consists ENTIRELY of the facts and notions previosly known to Shepard. It may not even be harbinger affecting him - he just smashed his head and the indoctrination that was aleady in him puts up this image. Without any influence from the outside. Before leviathan there was a doubt in that since the whole catalyst thing seemed to be right out of the blue and thus over imposed - but now, it isn't.

Of course. Why haven't I thought about it? But Harbinger does influence the dream. Shepard's memories give voice to his words.

Not necessary. It could just be shepards mind infected with the indoctrination turning on him. With the addition of the leviathan DLC to the story, it Harbinger may yet have nothing to do with the dream.  You realy could add a "Hunt down the Harbinger" DLC - in which you track down or lure harbinger into a trap and destroy him - and have still the same ending - with just some other generic reaper guardnig the beam - it won't brake the narrative. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[hangmans tree]

BatmanTurian wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Well, now we've established you're either stupid, delusional, or trolling.

we did that? Why, its good to know, thank you.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Nothing gets past that second explosion even after surviving the one from shooting the gun. The first explosion is enough, with searing the lungs and third degree burns over 2/3rds of the body. The second explosion would make any organic, cyber-enhanced or not, disintegrate. It's just bulls**t to claim otherwise.

SO you want to convince me that that second explosion (after the beam) would eradicate anything with its radious but fail to acknowledge the ring structure being intact? So, what kinda explosion is that? And for the moment being lets forget about Xplosions and vacum to give you field to entertain me with logic and science.

1st xplosion  - of the red ending panel - have u forgoten how much of a borg Shepard is? 2/3rds of the body? Is Shepard naked? Under the, badly damaged but still, armour - skin and muscle enchancements, densier waves of skin and all that. Read some of the upgrade entries from ME2
let me quote few FACTS:
- By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made
almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow
for bone regenerations in a matter of days.
- Perforating the muscles with micro-fibers increases overall strength and
decreases the potential for muscle damage from exertion.
- Strong synthetic fibers can be woven through the skin, dramatically
reducing damage taken from most attacks. These fibers also act as a
medi-gel conduit, improving healing.
Not to mention shield and medical upgrades to the armour - those could be/are badly damaged.
So you think that Shep is unlikely to survive a minor explosion of the equipement? He didnt even catch on fire after that... but you would of course wave that off to please your point of view.

BatmanTurian wrote...
Also, the flycam floor doesn't match the concrete. Why would Reapers use concrete in a place no Organic is expected to go anyway? Any way you look at it, it's illogical. You would do well to rethink all of this instead of ignoring physics in a game where they spend time paying attention to phyics. The Mass Effect itself depends on knowledge of advanced physics.

That really cracked me up. You really belive that? Not that they pieced together most belivable pseudo scientific theories of their own under the blanket of todays real scientific knowledge/theories? Maybe? Just maybe?
The Mass Effect itself depends on knowledge of advanced physics... please point me to that part of your truth, I will gladly take notes.
Maybe physics of sound traveling through empty space? Humming noise of big vessels in vacuum? Maybe eezo and its advanced physics? What exactly, please tell me.

Someone else handle this guy. I might post something I'll regret.

What? out of arguments? Only slurs and insults left in the vacobulary?

[byne]

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey byne,
Have you seen my IT video yet,
Here it is:
Enter if you dare
If you like it and believe it worthy of the IT name, add it to your post.

I will watch it soon, I promise. I just dont have the time to watch a long video right now, though.

[BatmanTurian]

hangmans tree wrote...
What? out of arguments? Only slurs and insults left in the vacobulary?

No, I just know that you don't care about the truth, only about being right. And that bothers me a little. So you'll excuse me if I don't want to play your stupid little game anymore.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Not necessary. It could just be shepards mind infected with the indoctrination turning on him. With the addition of the leviathan DLC to the story, it Harbinger may yet have nothing to do with the dream.  You realy could add a "Hunt down the Harbinger" DLC - in which you track down or lure harbinger into a trap and destroy him - and have still the same ending - with just some other generic reaper guardnig the beam - it won't brake the narrative. 

If IT is wrong, I would love that DLC!  I bet tons of others would too. Anyway, I should go. See you later.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 septembre 2012 - 10:09 .

[byne]

hangmans tree wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


Someone else handle this guy. I might post something I'll regret.

What? out of arguments? Only slurs and insults left in the vacobulary?

Why is it that whenever someone decides they no longer wish to continue a conversation, the other party always assumes they're the de facto winner?

I could argue with someone for hours that the moon is in fact just the back of the sun, and when they give up, because they simply no longer wish to talk with me, it doesnt make me correct.

[demersel]

I'd like to apologize to everyone in this thread for my poor spelling. I speedtype, so often just push the wrong keys.