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[demersel]

 Also my theory about the A.I. being the simbiot of data packages transitted via ultrasound and infrasound and an organic brain explains the cycles and everything reapers do in general. 
Short version - they want our brains! 

Long version - we know, that over time, and if administered too much and to rapidly indoctrination causes irreparable brain damage, to the point, when it becomes non functional - and thus useless to the A.I. 
Thus the idea for reapers as the huge computer array made of minds. - so it would last lounger. But we can assume that the dacay also happens there to the organic parts.

Reapers come in cycles allowing organic life to develop by the path they desire, so it reaches the needed level for their purposes (don't know why, maybe more developed brains are more potent) - they come, turn the dominant spiecies of each cycle into a reaper (procreating)  and use the rest as fuel for their computing capabilities, replacing the decayed and uceless cell with new ones. That is their life cycle. There is no purpose. There is no beginning, and  no end, they simply are. (exactly the words of the sovereign).  

This would explain why they appear dumb and using curcular logic sometimes, unable to analyse  - they are running low on brains by this point. (Protheans are likely to have hurt them more then they care to admitt - it may well be, that if this war goes on a little longer - they will eventually run out of brain-fuel, and become more and more dumb and clusy as the time passes, until they turn into mindless husks of themselves, if it hasn't happened already)

Modifié par demersel, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[demersel]

I see my brainstorm was not needed. Oh well, back to arguing the Catalyst\\Leviathan curcular logic, and whether or not there is air for shepard to breath in the decision chamber but at the same time he would not be killed by the explosion of the tube in destroy cause concussion force does not travel through vacuum... That is much more interesting and productive.

[Gwyphon]

Cool theory, demersel!
The shear number of possible explanations for the cycle currently gives me hope that Bioware might have something amazing in store. It also makes me think that anything I read here will most likely be more engaging and to the lore than what they come up with...

[demersel]

Gwyphon wrote...

Cool theory, demersel!

Check out the whole conversation. I think the interesting part starts around page 740.

[demersel]

 Also. There is this maraured shields comic. It started as a joke, but then, at episode six, it as if got highjacked, or something. The art got immensly better, and coherent storyline apppered. And this storyline is exactly in line with the IT. And the lore. And the art is just superb, i mean better than official dark horse comics are.  The writing is superb. And new episodes come out.... not contradicting the official timeline of the MP. (in a sense that they have not yet reached a point of grand reaveal.) Also the constant messages on thee bottom - like hope is there. etc. 

I know it is pure fan-fiction. But....

I know this is crazy. And 99% probability it is not true, and wishfull thinking and all, but... what if they secretly got highjacked by bioware? I mean bioware secretly contacted and hired these people, who made the initial comic, just like they hired Patryk Olejniczak. but to be like viral marketing or something. The shift in tone and generel theme and overall quality at the episode six is just baffling. 

koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/ 
check it out if you haven't already. 

Modifié par demersel, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:49 .

[Lokanaiya]

demersel wrote...

 Also. There is this maraured shields comic. It started as a joke, but then, at episode six, it as if got highjacked, or something. The art got immensly better, and coherent storyline apppered. And this storyline is exactly in line with the IT. And the lore. And the art is just superb, i mean better than official dark horse comics are.  The writing is superb. And new episodes come out.... not contradicting the official timeline of the MP. (in a sense that they have not yet reached a point of graund reaveal.) Also the constant messages on thee bottom - like hope is there. etc. 
I know this is crazy. And 99% probability it is not true, and wishfull thinking and all, but... what if they secretly got highjacked by bioware? I mean bioware secretly contacted and hired these people, who made the initial comic, just like they hired Patryk Olejniczak. but to be like viral marketing or something. The shift in tone and generel theme and overall quality at the episode six is just baffling. 

koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/ 
check it out if you haven't already. 

Marauder Shields is awesome. And I wouldn't be surprised if the author was a writer for Bioware... The writing is just amazing and the voices are spot-on.

[demersel]

Whoa, sorry, accident double post. 


Have you read my theory about the indoctrination being the A.I. leviathans accidentaly created?

Modifié par demersel, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:53 .

[Lokanaiya]

demersel wrote...

Whoa, sorry, accident double post. 


Have you read my theory about the indoctrination being the A.I. leviathan's accidentaly created?

Yes. It's very intriguing and interesting.

[Arashi08]

Well, Cleverbot doesn't believe Shepard is being indoctrinated. IT is officially dead

[byne]

Arashi08 wrote...

Well, Cleverbot doesn't believe Shepard is being indoctrinated. IT is officially dead

I once asked Cleverbot if he liked the Catalyst at the end of ME3 and he said "No. I dont believe in god."

That made me lol pretty hard.

Modifié par byne, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Arashi08]

byne wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Well, Cleverbot doesn't believe Shepard is being indoctrinated. IT is officially dead

I once asked Cleverbot if he liked the Catalyst at the end of ME3 and he said "No. I dont believe in god."

That made me lol pretty hard.

Cleverbot is alot more fun than I thought.  Hopefully it won't build giant cuttlefish a few centuries from now.

Modifié par Arashi08, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Just finished the DLC last night and wow was it mindblowing!
I saw some people say that it supports IT but I more or less avoided the forums for spoilers.
So how does the DLC support IT again?

[Ambrosine333]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Just finished the DLC last night and wow was it mindblowing!
I saw some people say that it supports IT but I more or less avoided the forums for spoilers.
So how does the DLC support IT again?

Well for one thing, if IT is true, this DLC would be foreshadowing the ending similarly like the geth consensus mission does only more so. Leviathan brings Shepard into a hallucination for a short amount of time (like Harbinger would be doing at the end according to IT), and it's brought up again that this hallucination is expressed using the mind's own experiences, as the ending hallucination would be. Also, the entire theme of the DLC is indoctrination, which familiarizes and reminds players of its involvement with the series, helping them be more aware at the end. It also seems to me that Harbinger being the first reaper would give it the power and experience to cause a hallucination as elaborate as the ending sequence.

There are other small things too in the DLC that may or may not mean anything, like the bloody noses. But mostly, I think it's the foreshadowing that supports IT. I bet the others in this thread have more to tell

Modifié par Ambrosine333, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[RavenEyry]

demersel wrote...
Short version - they want our brains! 

Like the original draft for the matrix? Cool.

[RavenEyry]

Ambrosine333 wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Just finished the DLC last night and wow was it mindblowing!
I saw some people say that it supports IT but I more or less avoided the forums for spoilers.
So how does the DLC support IT again?

Well for one thing, if IT is true, this DLC would be foreshadowing the ending similarly like the geth consensus mission does only more so. Leviathan brings Shepard into a hallucination for a short amount of time (like Harbinger would be doing at the end according to IT), and it's brought up again that this hallucination is expressed using the mind's own experiences, as the ending hallucination would be. Also, the entire theme of the DLC is indoctrination, which familiarizes and reminds players of its involvement with the series, helping them be more aware at the end. It also seems to me that Harbinger being the first reaper would give it the power and experience to cause a hallucination as elaborate as the ending sequence.

There are other small things too in the DLC that may or may not mean anything, like the bloody noses. But mostly, I think it's the foreshadowing that supports IT. I bet the others in this thread have more to tell

And the only way it 'kills IT' as random morons have said is that it mentions the existence of an AI that may or may not be the catalyst.

[hangmans tree]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I dont see anything in there about handling burn wounds inflicted by a few million degrees of heat, do you? No, because such exposure dosent leave anything of the human body, augmentet or not.

Oh and in case you want to use the Citadel is not broken agrument, remember this little bit. The Citadel is composed of the same material as the Mass Relays which are neigh indestructable. Though i doubt the Citadel can enter the Stasis like defense of a Relay, we still know by fact that even with the strongest weapons in Mass Effect aka Dreadnought main cannons, would take days of continued bombardment to even damage the armor of the Ciatdel. Oh and in case you forgot an average Dreadnoughts main cannon hits with the force of a nuke.

So it is not unfeasible the Citadel is intact in some way from the epxlosion, in fact the mere fact that the explosion can penetrate and destroy the Citadel is a testimony to the explosions strength.

Not that any of this matters as Shepard is an an area open to space where air is only kept in my a Mass Effect field, fun fact Mass Effect fields do stop outside heat and flames.

Now crossreferencing with the fact that the fire ball engulfs a mile wide area and knowing the approximate location of Shepard  we can safely conclude Shepard is within that fireball with only a (useless) mass effect field between him and the heat.

The size of the fireball makes trivilaizes any guesses of how much heat is in it as it is way beyond the point where human flesh and probably anything not made of the Citadel super material is turned to slag or outright vaporized.

Oh and just because I love to make this comparsion. The Nuke dropped on Hrisohima created a fireball 400m in diameter. The heat of that fireball created a firestorm which destroyed nearly everything within 3.2 km.

Keep that in mind the next time you look at the explosion at the end.

You people are making assumption that its all physics-accurate. About the second explosion - not possible, there is no fire in deep space, combustion not possible, the same goes for sound. So you are insisting the thing would burn Shepard to crisp? Applying yours so oh accurate logical explanations. How?
Suspension of disbelief, take it or leave it.

Restrider wrote...

Did
you ever read the codex entry to the Citadel? It says that it is by
nearly indestructable, you know - Reaper Tech and so on. Now, I
estimated the energy of the explosion, yet big parts of the Citadel
remain kind of unharmed. This could be explained by the codex entry.

Now a funny question. Do you think Shepard is a Reaper or based on Reaper tech?

Why, his implants are to be precise, but whatever.
If Citadel is indestructible reaper tch how can some mere debris cause damage to the structure? When even dreadnought would have problems to scratch it as you point out. Explain, how?

One thing, you are overintellectualizing the whole ME3 ending. There is no point, no grand theory behind it. Its a botched part of the game, significant part I might add.

Lokanaiya wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Also.
There is this maraured shields comic. It started as a joke, but then, at
episode six, it as if got highjacked, or something. The art got
immensly better, and coherent storyline apppered. And this storyline is
exactly in line with the IT. And the lore. And the art is just superb, i
mean better than official dark horse comics are.  The writing is
superb. And new episodes come out.... not contradicting the official
timeline of the MP. (in a sense that they have not yet reached a point
of graund reaveal.) Also the constant messages on thee bottom - like
hope is there. etc. 
I know this is crazy. And 99% probability it is
not true, and wishfull thinking and all, but... what if they secretly
got highjacked by bioware? I mean bioware secretly contacted and hired
these people, who made the initial comic, just like they hired Patryk
Olejniczak. but to be like viral marketing or something. The shift in
tone and generel theme and overall quality at the episode six is just
baffling. 

koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/ 
check it out if you haven't already. 

Marauder
Shields is awesome. And I wouldn't be surprised if the author was a
writer for Bioware... The writing is just amazing and the voices are
spot-on. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

They are with/from the HTL community, plus the comics do not support IT, Koobismo (the author) prefers the literal explanation as you call it. he's not hired by BW like Patryk, all they have in common is that they are both Poles.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[Paulinesh]

Home run MF wrote...

Yup, in fact if you played Leviathan (spoilers ahead) every time he takes control of someone you can hear sounds that play during the dreams.

Yes, that's right! There are many proofs in this DLC to IT.
Anyway the theory allows to look at the game plot from absolutely new perspective. It made me replay the game from scratch again and feel like it's not the last chapter (yay!).
And even if you look at the game production from business view point, there is no sense in ending the "gold-bringing" franchise like this. ME4? Why not! For those who cared to preserve the saved games it would be even more fun :-)

[BleedingUranium]

hangmans tree wrote...

One thing, you are overintellectualizing the whole ME3 ending. There is no point, no grand theory behind it. Its a botched part of the game, significant part I might add.

I'm not sure if you understand what IT is or not. You believe that, and we believe the opposite. Please stop proclaming your view as the truth.


Note to everyone: Post more! The post at the top of this page is from 6 hours ago!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

It's amazing all the little hints and "wink wink nudge nudging" ME3 does with IT. If it turns out none of this is correct, then it would be like going on a five hour road trip to Los Vegas, following all the signs and maps, and ending up in bum**** nowear.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

BleedingUranium wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

One thing, you are overintellectualizing the whole ME3 ending. There is no point, no grand theory behind it. Its a botched part of the game, significant part I might add.

I'm not sure if you understand what IT is or not. You believe that, and we believe the opposite. Please stop proclaming your view as the truth.


Note to everyone: Post more! The post at the top of this page is from 6 hours ago!

I don't think many people are going to post as it is the middle of the night in america, and if I have to guess, it' that most people who post on BSN are from america.
Infact, i'ma going to bed now

Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Hrothdane]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

It's amazing all the little hints and "wink wink nudge nudging" ME3 does with IT. If it turns out none of this is correct, then it would be like going on a five hour road trip to Los Vegas, following all the signs and maps, and ending up in bum**** nowear.

It still would be a good journey because of the cool people along for the ride

[BleedingUranium]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

One thing, you are overintellectualizing the whole ME3 ending. There is no point, no grand theory behind it. Its a botched part of the game, significant part I might add.

I'm not sure if you understand what IT is or not. You believe that, and we believe the opposite. Please stop proclaming your view as the truth.


Note to everyone: Post more! The post at the top of this page is from 6 hours ago!

I don't think many people are going to post as it is the middle of the night in america, and if I have to guess, it' that most people who post on BSN are from america.
Infact, i'ma going to bed now

...Yeah, I know, it's just that BansheeOwnage steals the computer all day, so I can only post late

Hrothdane wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

It's amazing all the little hints and "wink wink nudge nudging" ME3 does with IT. If it turns out none of this is correct, then it would be like going on a five hour road trip to Los Vegas, following all the signs and maps, and ending up in bum**** nowear.

It still would be a good journey because of the cool people along for the ride

Which is why, if we don't get any post breath scene DLC, I'll be okay with that. I'd like post breath scene DLC, but I'd be fine without it. I'll take IT with no actual ending over the "literal" ending.

That's also a good metaphor for us ITers too. Even if nothing ever happens with IT, we still had lots of fun here!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 04 septembre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

hangmans tree wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I dont see anything in there about handling burn wounds inflicted by a few million degrees of heat, do you? No, because such exposure dosent leave anything of the human body, augmentet or not.

Oh and in case you want to use the Citadel is not broken agrument, remember this little bit. The Citadel is composed of the same material as the Mass Relays which are neigh indestructable. Though i doubt the Citadel can enter the Stasis like defense of a Relay, we still know by fact that even with the strongest weapons in Mass Effect aka Dreadnought main cannons, would take days of continued bombardment to even damage the armor of the Ciatdel. Oh and in case you forgot an average Dreadnoughts main cannon hits with the force of a nuke.

So it is not unfeasible the Citadel is intact in some way from the epxlosion, in fact the mere fact that the explosion can penetrate and destroy the Citadel is a testimony to the explosions strength.

Not that any of this matters as Shepard is an an area open to space where air is only kept in my a Mass Effect field, fun fact Mass Effect fields do stop outside heat and flames.

Now crossreferencing with the fact that the fire ball engulfs a mile wide area and knowing the approximate location of Shepard  we can safely conclude Shepard is within that fireball with only a (useless) mass effect field between him and the heat.

The size of the fireball makes trivilaizes any guesses of how much heat is in it as it is way beyond the point where human flesh and probably anything not made of the Citadel super material is turned to slag or outright vaporized.

Oh and just because I love to make this comparsion. The Nuke dropped on Hrisohima created a fireball 400m in diameter. The heat of that fireball created a firestorm which destroyed nearly everything within 3.2 km.

Keep that in mind the next time you look at the explosion at the end.

You people are making assumption that its all physics-accurate. About the second explosion - not possible, there is no fire in deep space, combustion not possible, the same goes for sound. So you are insisting the thing would burn Shepard to crisp? Applying yours so oh accurate logical explanations. How?
Suspension of disbelief, take it or leave it.

Wow I dident know the sun couldnt burn then, because that is what you are syaing right here.

Fire can burn in space as long as the right parameters are met, namely as long as there is fuel and oxygen around. And while Space does not contain either, such things can come from other places, like the exploding object.

And lets look at it. The explosions originate inside the Citadel bursting outwards from what we see with the biggest one appearing near the presidium ring. Now what was near here as well? Ah right the Crucible, the object described as consuming "oceans of fuel" when activated oh and off course there is the Citadel itself with all its systems.

Now what about oxygen...well once again we are on the Citadel both the wards and the presidium is habitable with a seemingly infinite supply of oxygen. A fiery explosion reaching outside the station as we see simply stands to prove that the Citadel shell has been breaches in multiple places by the force of the explosion.

That also means Shepard by all logical reasons if not burned to a crisp is now without an oxygen supply.

Also if the above is not the case it is just anotehr point in the surreal book for the ending and even if you seem to have missed the memo Mass Effect has always operated along the lines of existing theories and physics with only a minimal of new stuff (like Eezo) introduced to make the setting possible.

[hangmans tree]

BleedingUranium wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

One thing, you are overintellectualizing the whole ME3 ending. There is no point, no grand theory behind it. Its a botched part of the game, significant part I might add.

I'm not sure if you understand what IT is or not. You believe that, and we believe the opposite. Please stop proclaming your view as the truth.


Note to everyone: Post more! The post at the top of this page is from 6 hours ago!

BTW this is in the quthors description of one of the IT videos luinked in the OP:

UPDATE:

Apparently Bioware hadn't intended the Indoctrination
Theory all along. Although the IT with its many arguments makes
perfectly sense (also within the lore), Bioware tells us that it is all
merely coincidence... they want us to take the endings at face value.

I think the new endings are very nice but should've been in the game right from the beginning!

However,
unfortunately Bioware showed us that we have to take the endings at
face value, no profound mind struggle, no indoctrination attempt,
everything happened as we have seen it. Bioware has missed the chance to
write gaming history by delivering us one of the greatest mind blowing
twists ever...but it was not to be.

Fortunately everybody can choose his/her own personal ending... whether it is IT or not Therefore we have our own fantasy...

Choose whatever pleases you and remember all the great moments in the entire trilogy

then you link something preposterous like sounds of possession which prove that...

... it seems that they are putting in hidden clues that can only be
found by analyzing the game files rather than being found through actual
gameplay. =)

WHAT? And IT is based on that kind of 'evidence'? Someone explain how did this happen... Clearly EA nad BW are trying to indoctrinate the players <_<

Modifié par hangmans tree, 04 septembre 2012 - 08:27 .