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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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JasonSic wrote...

Is it true the second thread was stickied for a few minutes?

Yes, but it was merely a mistake by RaenImrahl.

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byne wrote...

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masster blaster wrote...

Well you get off topic and I want i, and as I said before I don't think Banshee is chris because I asked Chris already, and we had a good joke about it.

Ha! Show me the PMs if you don't mind.


I cant believe he actually asked Chris...

First off: Masster, you cant be that stupid

Second off: If Chris is Banshee, do you really think he's going to tell you?


The Chrisownage theory (COT)

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masster blaster wrote...

Noooooooooooooo. Thanks I will not show you all the pms.


....:crying:please don't show me that. Oh wait, you meant PRIVATE MESSAGES... I got scared.

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estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
 Weapons are not toys. They're killing machines, and should only be handled by soldiers!


There is no better a symbol of self-sufficiency and responsibility than a well trained, diciplined and armed civilian. If the sheep do not have sheep dogs with teeth, then the wolves will come and they will feast well.

Your conventional armies will shatter before the Reapers, but the resistance will remain! :bandit:

But this "militia" should be regulated by a professional soldier, not by himself. And what you're saying is that in order to feel safe, you need a gun? I'd really not like to live in that place. I think I'll just stay here in the cold north, thank you.


One of these days I hope to understand this fascination Americans have with guns.

I mean, I'm an American, and I dont care about guns.

I mean, sure, its in the Bill of Rights, but you never see anyone screaming about how the government might infringe on their 3rd Amendment rights. Just the 2nd.

Personally though, the 3rd is the one Amendment I've sworn to make a stand on.

I will not quarter a soldier in my house against my will. Not ever.

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Synthesis/Control can't happen.

Destroy's could easily be the true future as there is no mention of the Geth/Shepard at all..waning they could still be alive. The memorial scene is fake though.

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N7L4D wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well you get off topic and I want i, and as I said before I don't think Banshee is chris because I asked Chris already, and we had a good joke about it.

Ha! Show me the PMs if you don't mind.


I cant believe he actually asked Chris...

First off: Masster, you cant be that stupid

Second off: If Chris is Banshee, do you really think he's going to tell you?


The Chrisownage theory (COT)

I actually hit my head on my desk laughing. Posted Image Quick! Masster! Make an official thread!

Is BansheeOwnage a Hallucination? - Infiltration Theory Mark III

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byne wrote...

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I will not quarter a soldier in my house against my will. Not ever.


Not even me? :unsure:

Just kidding. :P

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ivenoidea wrote...

I don't even get a single response? :(

I read it and enjoyed it! Posted ImagePosted Image I pretty much thought the same thing.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

In an effort to bring this back to speculations: Can someone explain why so many people still think the epilogues (not necessarily the space scenes/Normandy scenes) are part of the indoctrination attempt and not actual depictions of the galaxy's future?


It's my belief coming as an overlay-time theorist that the epilogue scenes ARE REAL but everything Shepard faces post "serve us" is fake.

Remember how we talked about religious imagery in the ending and allegory? The writers are explaning how religions and cults are formed.

1. You have past events that are real and are more or less based somewhat on historical events (ME1-near end of ME3)
2. You usually have a mesiah figure who during a short period of time accomplishes miracles and fantastically stories that are scientifically impossible and with logic that sometimes does not make sense (ending of ME3)
3. You have "modern period" epilogue scenes.

Stargazer doesn't know the full details of what happens at the end of ME3 and Shepard in the same way that we in the modern world don't know the full story of Jesus or Mohammed (insert the name of your messiah figure here) and because of that- why people depend on allegory and religious texts. Jesus and Mohammed may have been real people but since "details are lost in time" they've become Legends.

Get it?;)

That said, the details lost in time does not mean that those details will not be filled...


We can't say for certain whether they are real or not but...if you take all of the endings together there are two pivotal things that can be explained through Shepard's willpower:

1) The soldiers that are fighting the husks.  This point has been mentioned quite a few times.  In Destroy, they continue fighting until the bitter end whereas in Control and Synthesis, the husks are winning out.  This could be an illustration of Shepard's mental state versus Reaper power.  In Control and Synthesis, Shepard doesn't believe he is destroying the Reapers and so if the soldiers are indicative of his willpower, they will not fare well against Reapers.

2) The Normandy memorial wall scene.  When Shepard believes openly accepts his death at the hands of the Reapers, his name is placed on the wall.  In Destroy, the companion not only doesn't place the plaque on the wall but some of them seem to be smirking.  How would the companion be so sure of Shepard's survival as to not place his name on the wall AND smile?  This can be readily explained if they represent part of Shepard's consciousness: at this point of the vid Shepard realizes that he has succeeded and that he is still alive.  This explanation also reconciles very well with Shepard waking up right after the memorial scene

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
 Weapons are not toys. They're killing machines, and should only be handled by soldiers!


There is no better a symbol of self-sufficiency and responsibility than a well trained, diciplined and armed civilian. If the sheep do not have sheep dogs with teeth, then the wolves will come and they will feast well.

Your conventional armies will shatter before the Reapers, but the resistance will remain! :bandit:

But this "militia" should be regulated by a professional soldier, not by himself. And what you're saying is that in order to feel safe, you need a gun? I'd really not like to live in that place. I think I'll just stay here in the cold north, thank you.


One of these days I hope to understand this fascination Americans have with guns.

I mean, I'm an American, and I dont care about guns.

I mean, sure, its in the Bill of Rights, but you never see anyone screaming about how the government might infringe on their 3rd Amendment rights. Just the 2nd.

Personally though, the 3rd is the one Amendment I've sworn to make a stand on.

I will not quarter a soldier in my house against my will. Not ever.


You know what's funny?  The 2nd Amendment doesn't say that EVERYONE can bear arms, despite what most Republicans want you to believe.  Rather, it says that arms may be born by a well regulated militia.  To be honest, I would prefer it if people would interpret this part of the Constitution literally.  I get the feeling that we'd all be a lot safer if we went back to the days of well regulated militias which were actually TRAINED rather than the present where it's possible to own a gun without ANY training.  I get the feeling that accidents would go down quite a bit, if nothing else.

Modifié par Dwailing, 02 août 2012 - 01:16 .


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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
 Weapons are not toys. They're killing machines, and should only be handled by soldiers!


There is no better a symbol of self-sufficiency and responsibility than a well trained, diciplined and armed civilian. If the sheep do not have sheep dogs with teeth, then the wolves will come and they will feast well.

Your conventional armies will shatter before the Reapers, but the resistance will remain! :bandit:

But this "militia" should be regulated by a professional soldier, not by himself. And what you're saying is that in order to feel safe, you need a gun? I'd really not like to live in that place. I think I'll just stay here in the cold north, thank you.


One of these days I hope to understand this fascination Americans have with guns.

I mean, I'm an American, and I dont care about guns.

I mean, sure, its in the Bill of Rights, but you never see anyone screaming about how the government might infringe on their 3rd Amendment rights. Just the 2nd.

Personally though, the 3rd is the one Amendment I've sworn to make a stand on.

I will not quarter a soldier in my house against my will. Not ever.

I think one of the reasons americans are so fascinated with everybody having guns is because of a misconception in the 2nd amendment.

From the Us constitution:

As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the
security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms
shall not be infringed.

That means it was supposed to be regulated by the state. People were not allowed to run around with guns the way it please them. They had to form militias, and be regulated by the state.




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I am the future. There can only be one ruler and that's the Catalyst all hail the Catalyst not Paxxton. HAHAHA. Oh and Chris said there will be no Illos dlc, sad face.

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estebanus wrote...

But this "militia" should be regulated by a professional soldier, not by himself. And what you're saying is that in order to feel safe, you need a gun? I'd really not like to live in that place. I think I'll just stay here in the cold north, thank you.


Traditionally, most militias have a leadership base of retired or honorably discharged military regulars, but remain autonomous in order to sustain a balance of power and flexibility. That gives the bodies trained professionalism, but with a commitment base that is local or family oriented, not state mandated.

The best of these units are faster and more reliable than military bodies, and are far less prone to acts of tyranny due to the understanding of their limited numbers. However, they are a good deterent for aggression. Case in point: Switzerland.

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@Dwailing and Estebanus

I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled that it meant everyone had a right to a gun though.

Anyhow, lets not start getting political in here. That gets threads locked.

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masster blaster wrote...

I am the future. There can only be one ruler and that's the Catalyst all hail the Catalyst not Paxxton. HAHAHA. Oh and Chris said there will be no Illos dlc, sad face.

Show us these PMs! I certainly don't remember sending them to you.

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Okay masster, you should go take a break.

So much crazy at your age is not healthy.

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Very fuuny Banshee.

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byne wrote...

@Dwailing and Estebanus

I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled that it meant everyone had a right to a gun though.

Anyhow, lets not start getting political in here. That gets threads locked.


Since when does a Supreme Court ruling mean anything in America? Posted Image  Oh, wait... Posted Image  Anyway, you're right, we shouldn't be getting political (Though I do enjoy a rousing political debate on occasion.  It helps enhance my education on the workings of the world. Posted Image).

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lex0r11 wrote...

Okay masster, you should go take a break.

So much crazy at your age is not healthy.


What about all the craziness that comes from me?  Or are you going to discriminate based on the type of our craziness? Posted Image  Equal rights for crazy people!

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I have taken a 7 hr break, and I have been watching Gundam Wing, and reading about WWII.

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Dwailing wrote...



You know what's funny?  The 2nd Amendment doesn't say that EVERYONE can bear arms, despite what most Republicans want you to believe.  Rather, it says that arms may be born by a trained militia.  To be honest, I would prefer it if people would interpret this part of the Constitution literally.  I get the feeling that we'd all be a lot safer if we went back to the days of trained militias rather than the present where it's possible to own a gun without ANY training.  I get the feeling that accidents would go down quite a bit, at least.



Don't remind me.

My american grandfather is very conservative in his beliefs, and he owns a large amount of guns. He doesn't even use them responsibly.
So anyway, when I was there a few weeks ago, he decides to take me, my sister, and my 6 year old cousin down to show us his weapons. You know what he did?

He gave my cousin a gun. cal. 45.

And what does my cousin do, not yet knowing the difference between gun and toy?

That's right. he points it towards my face and says "hands up."

I of course don't even know if the gun is loaded, so I start getting scared. My sister had to talk him into giving her the gun.

You see, my grandfather is the last person I'd trust a gun with. That man doesn't know crap about them, and that could have killed me.

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Banshee please tell me you are joking about not sending me these PMs.

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masster blaster wrote...

I am the future. There can only be one ruler and that's the Catalyst all hail the Catalyst not Paxxton. HAHAHA. Oh and Chris said there will be no Illos dlc, sad face.

I therefore declare you a traitor to the Reaper Empire and sentence you to exile. You'll be escorted to Purgatory by 2 Reapers.

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masster blaster wrote...

Banshee please tell me you are joking about not sending me these PMs.


Masster, you really really need to learn to tell when someone is joking.

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masster blaster wrote...

I have taken a 7 hr break, and I have been watching Gundam Wing, and reading about WWII.

That explains it all. Posted Image