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[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh God, no... we're talking about Jessica Merizan's tweets again. This is a fate worse than death.

Yeah, you've kind of got a point.  I mean, I still love her, don't get me wrong, but there's a REASON that I don't keep track of her Twitter account.  And besides, BioWare said no MP, we got MP.  BioWare said no A, B, C, endings, A, B, C, endings.  BioWare said the Rachni would have a massive role to play in the conclusion.  Yeah, a massive role to the tune of 100 War Asset points!  Noticing a pattern, anyone?

[CyberMiguel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

i'll return to my original question though. what did you guys make of the fact that the entire dlc pack, if you will, was indoctrinated and shepard leaves as if nothing had happened but a nose bleed? and, you know. with a potential new ability.

To be honest, I kind of have a fear that the ending should be taken literally along with the leviathan DLC but even though the DLC wasn't earth shattering, I am holding out and hoping that it's all leading up to something.

About your question, this would be interesting, if a little wild on the speculation side. By ability I presume you mean indoctination?

There are elements of Mass Effect 3 that are meant to have
non-literal interpretations. The hope is that these things provide
thought-provoking discussion about the themes of the story and the
motivations of characters. As such, we would prefer not to comment on
players’ interpretations of these elements, since it would ruin the
enjoyment of such discussion by suggesting there is a single, concrete
way of viewing them. Tully Ackland

I think Jessica Merizan differs:

https://twitter.com/...650945275514881 

No "Shep wakes up" DLC FYI. If your version of IT relies on future DLC, your interpretation is not our intent. The end is the end. 

It is final. No reason you cant believe in some form of Shep being indoctrinated, but if it relies on future content... sorry

 

So... IT is valid after all, just not the "Shepard wakes up" version. Interesting, for saying the least. If that is the case, then the IT-con theory gains more strength, specially if you complement it with the Puzzle Theory. 

Modifié par CyberMiguel, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:53 .

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Bah, Origin is down...
@Dwailing:
In short you are saying the whole cycle thing is caused by some kind of glitch (using the perspective of organics except the Leviathans)?

Yeah, The Intelligence decided that the best way to, "Preserve organic life at any cost," was to turn all organics into Reapers every 50,000 years, starting with the Leviathans.  And it didn't think it was rebelling because it was still, in its mind, anyway, following the orders of its creators.

Doesn't Leviathan say the AI still hasn't found a right solution and is collecting organic data to find the solution?

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Bah, Origin is down...
@Dwailing:
In short you are saying the whole cycle thing is caused by some kind of glitch (using the perspective of organics except the Leviathans)?

Yeah, The Intelligence decided that the best way to, "Preserve organic life at any cost," was to turn all organics into Reapers every 50,000 years, starting with the Leviathans.  And it didn't think it was rebelling because it was still, in its mind, anyway, following the orders of its creators.

Doesn't Leviathan say the AI still hasn't found a right solution and is collecting organic data to find the solution?

Does he?  I don't remember.  Could you maybe find a video of it?

[MaximizedAction]

CyberMiguel wrote...

*snip*

https://twitter.com/...650945275514881 

No "Shep wakes up" DLC FYI. If your version of IT relies on future DLC, your interpretation is not our intent. The end is the end. 

It is final. No reason you cant believe in some form of Shep being indoctrinated, but if it relies on future content... sorry

 

So... IT is valid after all, just not the "Shepard wakes up" version. Interesting, for saying the least. If that is the case, then the IT-con theory gains more strength, specially if you complement it with the Puzzle Theory. 

I dislike an IT which relies on either on trusting the Guardian or not knowing the end of the war (which implies Take Back Earth being the red herring).

Dwailing wrote...

Does he?  I don't remember.  Could you maybe find a video of it?

It's from the dialog excerpt TSA posted a few days ago. Don't remember the page though...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Dwailing]

I'm also going to point out that when she says, "No 'Shepard wakes up' DLC," we don't need Shepard wakes up DLC. He's already awake (Breath Scene), we just want to see what happens AFTER he wakes up. Shepard wakes up DLC would be rather boring and unnecessary, when you consider that we basically already have that with the Breath Scene.

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

She also said no games will be FOCUSED on Shepard waking up.  Note that this doesn't mean there won't be a future game where Shepard was indoctrinated, it just means that he won't be the focus.

Also they insisted that ME3 was the end of Shepard's story arc. 
That actually does not say that it was shepard who killied every single reaper in the galaxy personally. 
His story ended where it ended - on the beam run. He got MIA and the war continued (just like in the Marauder Shields comic)

In future games we may found out what actually happened there and what consequences it had. 
In most cases shepard is likely to get indoctrinated (70% chance), be KIA (25% chance), or if he's VERY lucky, and did everything there is to do - breaks off indoctrination and survives (about 5% chance) It will be treated the same way original Deus EX ending was treated in Deus Ex II: invisible war - in that game we don't actually know what exactly  happened at the end of the first game. The same way it was treated in the KOTOR II - we don't actually know what happened to the character of the first game (they do, but they won't tell us cause we are not exactly best pals with them)

Modifié par demersel, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:00 .

[paxxton]

Hello! So, demersel, have you found a Reaper to fill in for Harbinger?

[pseudonymic]

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Doesn't Leviathan say the AI still hasn't found a right solution and is collecting organic data to find the solution?

Does he?  I don't remember.  Could you maybe find a video of it?

if i remember correctly, leviathan tells shepard the AI isn't going to stop until it finds the solution it's looking for, one that will satisfy it or something along those lines. 

[Dwailing]

You know what? At this point, I don't CARE if we get future content that confirms this. If BioWare was STUPID enough to think that what they gave us was a good ending, then I'll be content in the knowledge that we actually managed to come up with a better ending for our beloved franchise than the people who actually develop it. If they actually DID intend this, then I'll be content in the knowledge that we were smart enough to predict this. Either way, I'm content in the knowledge that, in my opinion, anyway, we're all frakking geniuses for coming up with this.

Modifié par Dwailing, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

Hello! So, demersel, have you found a Reaper to fill in for Harbinger?

Yep. He's name is Tom. 

You can see him in this group photo - he is to the right and slightly above of Harbinger


Also - read the rest of the conversation that happened yesterday, after you've left. It got really interesting. 
Pages 740 to 745 for the whole conversation. 

Modifié par demersel, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:12 .

[Dwailing]

pseudonymic wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Doesn't Leviathan say the AI still hasn't found a right solution and is collecting organic data to find the solution?

Does he?  I don't remember.  Could you maybe find a video of it?

if i remember correctly, leviathan tells shepard the AI isn't going to stop until it finds the solution it's looking for, one that will satisfy it or something along those lines. 

And what will satisfy it?  Synthesis?  In that case, FRAK YOU LITTLE BRAT DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY!

[pseudonymic]

Dwailing wrote...

And what will satisfy it?  Synthesis?  In that case, FRAK YOU LITTLE BRAT DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY!

 @ 6:19

[hangmans tree]

Just to end my contribution to this thread. To the ones who argued with me: you missed the point. Every time. I was pointing out lack of coherence in the facts and images, my arguments were that you cant assume anything coz the ending is a sloppy job and those explosions and theories, vacuum or no vacuum, oxygen or no oxygen - its futile to regrd them as evidence. Example: Citadels image. After the explosion its more or less whole. 2D image in the later scene we see massive holes and brkoen arms at its tips. When did it happen? Who broke these when we werent watching? Artistic vision.

It is final. No reason you cant believe in some form of Shep being indoctrinated, but if it relies on future content... sorry

AS quoted, you can belive in whatever IT you want to - that was our intention, for gamers to imagine their own ending for the series, again, LOTS OF SPE....

So dont give me those silly memos and all your snarky remerks. And yes its time to shut up from my part. We are getting nowhere.

Oh, btw, if I will end it from my part, does it mean you won the argument? LOL.

[TSA_383]

https://twitter.com/...004735454584833
Hah

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hello! So, demersel, have you found a Reaper to fill in for Harbinger?

Yep. He's name is Tom. 

You can see him in this group photo - he is to the right and slightly above of Harbinger


Also - read the rest of the conversation that happened yesterday, after you've left. It got really interesting. 
Pages 740 to 745 for the whole conversation. 

What if Tom doesn't have time? The beam will remain unprotected.

Yeah, I'm going to read it.

[Dwailing]

TSA_383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...004735454584833
Hah

Ain't that the frakking truth?  If they seriously thought that was a good way to end this great series, they were sadly mistaken.

[Dwailing]

 Well, this might help ease the sting of Jessica's comments: http://twitter.com/B...970473493831681

[Dwailing]

 Also, here's another interesting conversation from Chris: http://twitter.com/B...838525697982465

[BatmanTurian]

*fingers in ears*

LALALALA LA LALA LALALALALA LALALALALALA LALALA LALA

[TSA_383]

Rifneno wrote...

So I see hangman is still spouting crap. Did s/he ever respond to the posts about the Citadel being quantum shielded? Because it hilariously destroyed the only argument for Shepard's survival on the Citadel. Of course. ... Does anyone else hear backpeddling?

Restrider wrote...

This leads us to a total energy of E = 78 945 MT = 4934063 Hiroshima Bombs.

*But magic forcefields* --- Sounds legit.

LOL! 79 gigatons. That's a little more in the neighborhood of what you'd need to cause the damage we saw the Citadel, it being quantum shielded and all.

79GT does seem a little high.
However, it's worth comparing the blast to bombs of known yield - the Tsar Bomb (google it, it's awesome) yielded 50MT and had a fireball of 4.8 miles diameter.
I can't remember whether the citadel ring was meant to be 7km radius or diameter, but based on that you'd expect a yield for the explosion of either 40 or 320 Megatons.

...Which is probably not survivable at a distance of 5m in outer space without armor.
Just saying.

magnetite wrote...

There are other small things too in the DLC that may or may not mean anything, like the bloody noses. 

Aside from infrasonic noise, ultrasonic noise is also a component of indoctrination according to the codex. With the sound pressure, it could be what caused the nose bleed. 

 
Ultrasound occurs at low SPLs, at high pressure levels it'd be more likely to pulverise all your internal organs than give you a simple nosebleed.

Paulinesh wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Yup, in fact if you played Leviathan (spoilers ahead) every time he takes control of someone you can hear sounds that play during the dreams.

Yes, that's right! There are many proofs in this DLC to IT. 
Anyway the theory allows to look at the game plot from absolutely new perspective. It made me replay the game from scratch again and feel like it's not the last chapter (yay!). 
And even if you look at the game production from business view point, there is no sense in ending the "gold-bringing" franchise like this. ME4? Why not! For those who cared to preserve the saved games it would be even more fun :-)

 
True, but BW have shown that they are bad at handling PR to an absolutely epic extent.

Hrothdane wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

It's amazing all the little hints and "wink wink nudge nudging" ME3 does with IT. If it turns out none of this is correct, then it would be like going on a five hour road trip to Los Vegas, following all the signs and maps, and ending up in bum**** nowear.

It still would be a good journey because of the cool people along for the ride

 
But you'd still have wasted 5 hours.

[Dwailing]

Alright guys, I think I'm going to be leaving for now. Going to do a little soul searching right now, maybe play a little Mass Effect, remind myself of why I believed this in the first place, reassure myself that we're right, no matter what Jessica says. And until BioWare is done releasing DLC and releases ME4, there's still a chance that we'll get what we want.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

What if Tom doesn't have time? The beam will remain unprotected.

Interesting, but little-known fact - While Harbinger acts as the Face and Voice of the reapers, it is actually Tom, who is behind day-to-day planning, strategy, coordination, and supply of the reaper forces. He's also the one in charge of coordinating the work of all the processing facilities all over the galaxy, and delivery of reaper ground forces to the battlefields. 
So each second, he's occupied by guarding the beam brings you closer to victory. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

Ithurael wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

There are elements of Mass Effect 3 that are meant to have
non-literal interpretations. The hope is that these things provide
thought-provoking discussion about the themes of the story and the
motivations of characters. As such, we would prefer not to comment on
players’ interpretations of these elements, since it would ruin the
enjoyment of such discussion by suggesting there is a single, concrete
way of viewing them. Tully Ackland

Nice. Thanks Batman...

No problem. Just remember that quote when someone tells you everything in the game should be taken literally at face-value or you have a feeling coming on that I.T. is not valid.

IT is a valid interpretation of the ending. Everyone's headcanon and opinion is valid to them. IT Dream or IT Con are equally as valid. My personal favorite ending was the "brown explosion" ending - easily the best!

The issue arises however when fans believe that IT is canon and is the true ending to Mass Effect - something that Bioware employees have stated that they will not use for ME3.

Merizan's latest tweet stated that IT is not bioware's interpretation for the ending of ME3. And I am sure that Bioware does consider IT (and any other interpretation of the ending) to be valid. The difference (and the great arguement) is that bioware has stated they will not capitalize on that interpretation for the ending. You can say they are lying all you want, but so far three employees have stated that there is nothing else coming (one of them stated it twice).

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/240646722563485696

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/240672115664224256

For me - that is enough. The EC gave enough closure to be palpable and leviathan softened the blow that is starkid's org vs synth RGB moment. Mix this with Chris Priestly's statements, Tully's statement, and now Merizan's twitter (And, as we all know, twitter is canon lol) and we get the final nails in coffin for possibility of a post breath DLC.

Besides...what is wrong with just accepting the endings as they are without IT?

The fact that we won't get more ending/post-ending DLC doesn't mean IT isn't true.

I fully believe Bioware implemented IT on purpose, and that they purposely left it ambiguous. I never really expected a 'reveal' at all. Been saying this for ages, too.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[masseffect420]

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]masseffect420 wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is not real, it was not a dream, it is a attempt to Indoctrinat your mind and to Mind rape you! Grow up live with the ending we got and be happy!
[/quote]That's a damning accusation. Got anything to back that up?
If not, your statement is nothing but slander, which is highly frowned upon in civilized society. You like considering yourself civilized, right? Well, then I'd like to request you'd act accordingly.

[/quote
]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fLEEHhnBgA

Why is Hackett talking in the end?