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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I said this once and ill say it again, I like IT and how it looks like the theory can be true. But there is one flaw in the Theory i dont think anyone of you guys accounted it for, it would mean Bioware sold us a game without an ending and that is probably the one reason why IT will just be a theory. I like the whole of ME3 until the end but a complete remake of the game is probably the only thing that can truly fix the endings of ME3.


Yeah, we've heard this argument before. It's not a flaw, it's a feature. Get over it.


A feature that no writer would consciously do, to completely remove the end and have no resolution whatsoever to the main plot. I could understand if they were going to do follow up DLC about it, but alas no


I'm glad you have intimate knowledge of all BioWare's future DLC and game release plans.

Whats that you say?

You dont in fact have that sort of knowledge?

Well that sort of renders your point moot, doesnt it?

#18827
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masseffect420 wrote...

It is dead now rest in pace! Also happy 420 every one!

Two threads were locked for massive length so we should just stop? I don't get it.

#18828
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RavenEyry wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

It is dead now rest in pace! Also happy 420 every one!

Two threads were locked for massive length so we should just stop? I don't get it.


He's trying to impersonate a mod. This is how far the trolls have sunk to get rid of speculation that hurts no one.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:22 .


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One of my favourite underlying themes of ME3 was Shepard's worries about her actions being her own. A number of times throughout the game Cerberus's involvement in bringing her back to life is brought up, along with doubts about whether or not she is still being influenced by the Illusive Man in some way.

I like the idea of this tying in with the Indoctrination Theory in that Shepard feels like she's being manipulated by the Starchild, that she's being pushed towards Control or Synthesis where everybody lives. Going for Destroy is her way of telling the Reapers that nobody pulls her strings and she makes her own choices. It's always been her goal to take out the Reapers, and she would gladly die for that cause. I like to think that the Starchild told her that EDI and the Geth would be wiped out to dissuade her from her original goal.

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[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote]Sero303 wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote]GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Your arguing with a guy named "masseffect420" ... 420.... should tell you ALL you need to know BatmanTurian

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I was waiting for someone to pick up on that.

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Couldn't see it through the red that was filling my vision.

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Well now my friend you should feel a whole lot better, your married with a family, job and not dependent on drugs where as he....is either a drug addict, OR thinks making refferences to being a drug addict makes you some kind of a bad ass... [/quote]
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writing books and living the dream

[/quote] Just as I thought. He truly is a pathetic specimen of humanity. I really do think that he can't possibly be older than 16.
I'm 22, am an excellent and talented student according to many teachers I've had, have a great and loving family, a sister that helps and supports me as much as she can, and I also have a girlfriend I'm absolutely crazy about. Yet somehow, I don't have a life. According to him, that is.
Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

Also, writing books is awesome! Do you write fiction or non-fiction? I write fiction!

#18831
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RavenEyry wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

It is dead now rest in pace! Also happy 420 every one!

Two threads were locked for massive length so we should just stop? I don't get it.


>trying to follow the logic of someone who would wish you a happy 420 in early September

This can only lead to suffering, Raven.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I said this once and ill say it again, I like IT and how it looks like the theory can be true. But there is one flaw in the Theory i dont think anyone of you guys accounted it for, it would mean Bioware sold us a game without an ending and that is probably the one reason why IT will just be a theory. I like the whole of ME3 until the end but a complete remake of the game is probably the only thing that can truly fix the endings of ME3.


Yeah, we've heard this argument before. It's not a flaw, it's a feature. Get over it.


A feature that no writer would consciously do, to completely remove the end and have no resolution whatsoever to the main plot. I could understand if they were going to do follow up DLC about it, but alas no


Don't presume to know what the writer is conciously doing. Neither of us know.


I'm not. But top of Storywriting 101 must be "ending has gotta resolve main plots for it to be complete"

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estebanus wrote...

 Just as I thought. He truly is a pathetic specimen of humanity. I really do think that he can't possibly be older than 16.
I'm 22, am an excellent and talented student according to many teachers I've had, have a great and loving family, a sister that helps and supports me as much as she can, and I also have a girlfriend I'm absolutely crazy about. Yet somehow, I don't have a life. According to him, that is.
Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

Also, writing books is awesome! Do you write fiction or non-fiction? I write fiction!


Fiction. Urban Fantasy, Sci-fi, and High Fantasy.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:23 .


#18834
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byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I said this once and ill say it again, I like IT and how it looks like the theory can be true. But there is one flaw in the Theory i dont think anyone of you guys accounted it for, it would mean Bioware sold us a game without an ending and that is probably the one reason why IT will just be a theory. I like the whole of ME3 until the end but a complete remake of the game is probably the only thing that can truly fix the endings of ME3.


Yeah, we've heard this argument before. It's not a flaw, it's a feature. Get over it.


A feature that no writer would consciously do, to completely remove the end and have no resolution whatsoever to the main plot. I could understand if they were going to do follow up DLC about it, but alas no


I'm glad you have intimate knowledge of all BioWare's future DLC and game release plans.

Whats that you say?

You dont in fact have that sort of knowledge?

Well that sort of renders your point moot, doesnt it?


I don't claim I do. All anyone can base their views on is what BW have said already, and we all know what they have said in regard to future DLC...

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byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

It is dead now rest in pace! Also happy 420 every one!

Two threads were locked for massive length so we should just stop? I don't get it.


>trying to follow the logic of someone who would wish you a happy 420 in early September

This can only lead to suffering, Raven.


He must be sent back to the void, where he can hurt the galaxy no more...

#18836
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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I said this once and ill say it again, I like IT and how it looks like the theory can be true. But there is one flaw in the Theory i dont think anyone of you guys accounted it for, it would mean Bioware sold us a game without an ending and that is probably the one reason why IT will just be a theory. I like the whole of ME3 until the end but a complete remake of the game is probably the only thing that can truly fix the endings of ME3.


Yeah, we've heard this argument before. It's not a flaw, it's a feature. Get over it.


A feature that no writer would consciously do, to completely remove the end and have no resolution whatsoever to the main plot. I could understand if they were going to do follow up DLC about it, but alas no


Don't presume to know what the writer is conciously doing. Neither of us know.


I'm not. But top of Storywriting 101 must be "ending has gotta resolve main plots for it to be complete"


Considering godchild claims the main theme of the series is synthetic vs organics, and he also claims that plot isnt resolved if you pick destroy, then by your logic, destroy is not an ending, and no writer would ever include it.

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masseffect420 wrote...

Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory 1
Ok, this thread is now well off topic and is closed.
You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion. 

LOCKDOWN!

Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark 2!
Ok, this thread is now 222 pages. You are welcome to continue to discuss the IT thoery, but this thread is closed for length. Please restart of needed.

LOCKDOWN!

It is dead now rest in pace! Also happy 420 every one!

It seems I was right. There really is something wrong with you, isn't there?

#18838
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SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I said this once and ill say it again, I like IT and how it looks like the theory can be true. But there is one flaw in the Theory i dont think anyone of you guys accounted it for, it would mean Bioware sold us a game without an ending and that is probably the one reason why IT will just be a theory. I like the whole of ME3 until the end but a complete remake of the game is probably the only thing that can truly fix the endings of ME3.


Yeah, we've heard this argument before. It's not a flaw, it's a feature. Get over it.


A feature that no writer would consciously do, to completely remove the end and have no resolution whatsoever to the main plot. I could understand if they were going to do follow up DLC about it, but alas no


Don't presume to know what the writer is conciously doing. Neither of us know.


I'm not. But top of Storywriting 101 must be "ending has gotta resolve main plots for it to be complete"


And we're not done with SP DLC. Come back when we are.

#18839
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estebanus wrote...

Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

I'll have you know that I have no life.

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Home run MF wrote...

demersel wrote...

What's a 420?


There you go


www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KOhxBGm5qA

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::pinched::pinched::pinched::pinched::pinched:

#18841
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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

I'll have you know that I have no life.


Awwwwwwkward.

#18842
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SubAstris wrote...

I'm not. But top of Storywriting 101 must be "ending has gotta resolve main plots for it to be complete"

But no interpretation of the ending resolves all main plots.

EDIT: :ph34r:'d by Byne

Modifié par RavenEyry, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .


#18843
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BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I said this once and ill say it again, I like IT and how it looks like the theory can be true. But there is one flaw in the Theory i dont think anyone of you guys accounted it for, it would mean Bioware sold us a game without an ending and that is probably the one reason why IT will just be a theory. I like the whole of ME3 until the end but a complete remake of the game is probably the only thing that can truly fix the endings of ME3.


Yeah, we've heard this argument before. It's not a flaw, it's a feature. Get over it.


A feature that no writer would consciously do, to completely remove the end and have no resolution whatsoever to the main plot. I could understand if they were going to do follow up DLC about it, but alas no


Don't presume to know what the writer is conciously doing. Neither of us know.


I'm not. But top of Storywriting 101 must be "ending has gotta resolve main plots for it to be complete"


And we're not done with SP DLC. Come back when we are.


In regards to DLC after the ending we are

#18844
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BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 Just as I thought. He truly is a pathetic specimen of humanity. I really do think that he can't possibly be older than 16.
I'm 22, am an excellent and talented student according to many teachers I've had, have a great and loving family, a sister that helps and supports me as much as she can, and I also have a girlfriend I'm absolutely crazy about. Yet somehow, I don't have a life. According to him, that is.
Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

Also, writing books is awesome! Do you write fiction or non-fiction? I write fiction!


Fiction. Urban Fantasy, Sci-fi, and High Fantasy.

Nice! I write historic fiction (dunno how that's called in english, exactly), you know, middle ages, World War II, and such. Kinda fits right with my love for history.

#18845
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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

I'll have you know that I have no life.

You sure?

#18846
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RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I'm not. But top of Storywriting 101 must be "ending has gotta resolve main plots for it to be complete"

But no interpretation of the ending resolves all main plots.

EDIT: :ph34r:'d by Byne


As regard to stopping the Reaper threat, then it's done and dusted with so-called "face value" interpretations

Modifié par SubAstris, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:29 .


#18847
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SubAstris wrote...

In regards to DLC after the ending we are


The ending could be considered Stargazer. The wording is not precise and the meaning is negotiable.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .


#18848
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SubAstris wrote...


In regards to DLC after the ending we are


Well, it sure is a good thing that, as you were just arguing, IT means we never actually got an ending then, isnt it? ;)

#18849
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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

I'll have you know that I have no life.

You sure?

This thread is the most social interaction I ever have.

#18850
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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

I'll have you know that I have no life.


Good to know I'm not the only one. :lol: