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RavenEyry wrote...

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Is there a reason you don't socialize often? Or is it simply because you don't want to?

Various mental disorders mean human contact frightens me. To phobic levels if I don't know them.


That is tough, man. You need to socialize more even if it hurts you. The point of socializing is not having interactions with as many people as you can but rather finding the people you are comfortable innteracting with. 

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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm 22, am an excellent and talented student according to many teachers I've had, have a great and loving family, a sister that helps and supports me as much as she can, and I also have a girlfriend I'm absolutely crazy about. Yet somehow, I don't have a life. According to him, that is.
Personally, the only person I don't think has a life here is that guy.

Also, writing books is awesome! Do you write fiction or non-fiction? I write fiction!


Since when did you come back? I thought estebanussister was supposed to be here for like two weeks more. :D


Estebanusister needs to get her own account. I already miss her.

(Not that this reflects poorly on you, estebanus. Having you both here would be awesome)

My sister wouldn't be able to post here then. She doesn't own ME3.


Well then be a good brother and buy it for her! According to you, you've got plenty of cash, right? ;)

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[quote]SubAstris wrote...

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And we're not done with SP DLC. Come back when we are.

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In regards to DLC after the ending we are

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The ending could be considered Stargazer. The wording is not precise and the meaning is negotiable.
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The ending ends with the breath scene (technically Buzz & kid but that's way in the future). As said by BW, nothing will come afterwards. Don't get mad at me for that![/quote]

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I'm not mad. But the ending is Stargazer, which is an epilogue, which comes at the end of a story. The breath comes before that. These are what some of us call facts.

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Yes, but it's obvious that Stargazer is not an intergral part of the story. If it were strictly true, then the Reapers were defeated by Shepard
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They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

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So, the Starkid's options were correct as they influence the real world?

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That does not make the revised theory invalid.

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RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

Estebanusister needs to get her own account. I already miss her.

(Not that this reflects poorly on you, estebanus. Having you both here would be awesome)

They've probably only got one computer like Banshee and Uranium

Nah, she's got her own computer. However, she mostly only uses it for work.

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demersel wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Is there a reason you don't socialize often? Or is it simply because you don't want to?

Various mental disorders mean human contact frightens me. To phobic levels if I don't know them.


That is tough, man. You need to socialize more even if it hurts you. The point of socializing is not having interactions with as many people as you can but rather finding the people you are comfortable innteracting with. 


That's... not exactly how anxiety disorders work.

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Well then be a good brother and buy it for her! According to you, you've got plenty of cash, right? ;)

But she's already played it! And even if I would buy it for her, she'd only be able to post for a few more weeks! She's gonna get sent down to Cyprus soon!
It'd essetnially be like bying MGS 3 for DS even though you already own it on PS3 and have played it fully through.

Modifié par estebanus, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:47 .


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double post. 

Modifié par demersel, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:47 .


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demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

That is tough, man. You need to socialize more even if it hurts you. The point of socializing is not having interactions with as many people as you can but rather finding the people you are comfortable innteracting with. 


That's... not exactly how anxiety disorders work.


I know. And i'm sorry if i offended him or you somehow, that was not my intention.
All i'm saying is that it is a tough situation, and it needs time and effort to overcome it.  

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[quote]demersel wrote...

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

That is tough, man. You need to socialize more even if it hurts you. The point of socializing is not having interactions with as many people as you can but rather finding the people you are comfortable innteracting with. 

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That's... not exactly how anxiety disorders work.[/quote]

I know. And i'm sorry if i offended him or you somehow, that was not my intention.
All i'm saying is that it is a tough situation, and it needs time and effort to overcome it.  

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and medication and therapy.

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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Is there a reason you don't socialize often? Or is it simply because you don't want to?

Various mental disorders mean human contact frightens me. To phobic levels if I don't know them.

Oh, I see. I'm sorry to hear that.

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They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

What? The Reapers are "defeated" in "Control" and "Synthesis"?

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Quote clitch is such a glitch.

Yes, medication and therapy.

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Is there a reason you don't socialize often? Or is it simply because you don't want to?

Various mental disorders mean human contact frightens me. To phobic levels if I don't know them.

Oh, I see. I'm sorry to hear that.


Does it make me a bad person if I can just imagine Raven running away from something saying "Ivegottagospeculateonsomething!"?

I ask you because I figure you'll get the reference.

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@paxxton: Not quite. It is NOT like a hive mind, when there is only one intelligence and it become more powerfull, as more mind are connected to it. It is not like that.

There is number of conditioning commands. They are the data part of the A.I.
organic mind is a blue box -
When combined - and A.I. is born, each time a new personality, vaguely based on the personality that was there before but with the goals that are in line with the conditioning commmands.

Each time it invades the mind and A.I. is born. And each A.I. is a different independent personality. 

Over time - there is a great number of such personalities and they decide to build a reaper - a computer arrey made of organic minds - each reaper in turn has it's own personality. "We are each a nation"
It is actually all there in the A.I. article in ME wiki. and ME1 codex.

Hmm... Very imaginative but I think you're reading too much into that Codex entry. I agree that there is an analogy between your interpretation of indoctrination and how A.I. is structured in ME but indoc giving rise to A.I. I dunno. You are functionally comparing things that take part in Indoctrination to components of AI. But AIs are supposed to functionally mimic organics so it's only natural that they have such components.

Leviathans created the Intelligence to find a solution. They did not equip it with Indoctrination (which was developed later by the Reapers). The Intelligence itself was bodiless and needed pawns to gather samples for analysis (for that indoctrination wasn't even necessary, maybe brute force). The same pawns might've been used by it when it turned against Leviathans.

I don't know if what I wrote makes any sense. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .


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estebanus wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory 1
Ok, this thread is now well off topic and is closed.You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion. 
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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark 2!
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That seems dangerously much like spamming. Spamming is against the site rules. Moderators will step in and take action if you continue down this path.

It's not spamming that is what Chris did to other two post and that is what he said look it up! Some ask what 420 was so I gave an example of it! 

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Iconoclaste wrote...

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They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

What? The Reapers are "defeated" in "Control" and "Synthesis"?


yes, quotation marks and all.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

What? The Reapers are "defeated" in "Control" and "Synthesis"?

Kinda, I guess. Just like how the USA was "defeated" in Vietnam, I'd say. Technically it isn't, but it is generally seen as such.

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masseffect420 wrote...

estebanus wrote...
That seems dangerously much like spamming. Spamming is against the site rules. Moderators will step in and take action if you continue down this path.

It's not spamming that is what Chris did to other two post and that is what he said look it up! Some ask what 420 was so I gave an example of it! 


What Chris said in the other two threads is also in no way relevant to this one.

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paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

@paxxton: Not quite. It is NOT like a hive mind, when there is only one intelligence and it become more powerfull, as more mind are connected to it. It is not like that.

There is number of conditioning commands. They are the data part of the A.I.
organic mind is a blue box -
When combined - and A.I. is born, each time a new personality, vaguely based on the personality that was there before but with the goals that are in line with the conditioning commmands.

Each time it invades the mind and A.I. is born. And each A.I. is a different independent personality. 

Over time - there is a great number of such personalities and they decide to build a reaper - a computer arrey made of organic minds - each reaper in turn has it's own personality. "We are each a nation"
It is actually all there in the A.I. article in ME wiki. and ME1 codex.

Hmm... Very imaginative but I think you're reading too much into that Codex entry. I agree that there is an analogy between your interpretation of indoctrination and how A.I. is structured in ME but indoc giving rise to A.I. I dunno. You are functionally comparing things that take part in Indoctrination to components of AI. But AIs are supposed to functionally mimic organics so it's only natural that they have such components.

Leviathans created the Intelligence to find a solution. They did not equip it with Indoctrination (which was developed later by the Reapers). The Intelligence itself was bodiless and needed pawns to gather samples for analysis (for that indoctrination wasn't even necessary, maybe brute force). The same pawns might've been used by it when it turned against Leviathans.

I don't know if what I wrote makes any sense. Posted Image


makes sense to me. The population (organics and synthetics) enslaved by the leviathans would be forced by the leviathans to work with the AI in the interest of science.

#18895
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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Is there a reason you don't socialize often? Or is it simply because you don't want to?

Various mental disorders mean human contact frightens me. To phobic levels if I don't know them.

Oh, I see. I'm sorry to hear that.


Does it make me a bad person if I can just imagine Raven running away from something saying "Ivegottagospeculateonsomething!"?

I ask you because I figure you'll get the reference.

Oh, that's kinda mean.

Although, Hanako's anxiety doesn't come from mental disorders. It's because of her appearance. She even says she had friends before her accident, I think.

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The way I see major DLC, if you're not invested enough in ME narrative to get them, than you probably aren't the kind to care that much anyways. Unless you are one of those people who a.) Have some religious thing against spending $10 for several hours of fun or b.) don't have interwebs (sorry for your suck)

Of course, this is in theory....I fully understand why, given the endings, many people didn't want to spend for Leviathan.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

What? The Reapers are "defeated" in "Control" and "Synthesis"?


yes, quotation marks and all.

You mean : The "Reaper threat was ended", is that more like it? Because they are still "in action", but not following the same "agenda" anymore.

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masseffect420 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...
Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory 1
Ok, this thread is now well off topic and is closed.You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion. 
LOCKDOWN!
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark 2!
Ok, this thread is now 222 pages. You are welcome to continue to discuss the IT thoery, but this thread is closed for length. Please restart of needed.
LOCKDOWN!
It is dead now rest in pace! Also happy 420 every one!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KOhxBGm5qA

That seems dangerously much like spamming. Spamming is against the site rules. Moderators will step in and take action if you continue down this path.

It's not spamming that is what Chris did to other two post and that is what he said look it up! Some ask what 420 was so I gave an example of it! 

It is. It is of no relevance to this discussion and you're reposting it time and again.

#18899
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Iconoclaste wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

What? The Reapers are "defeated" in "Control" and "Synthesis"?


yes, quotation marks and all.

You mean : The "Reaper threat was ended", is that more like it? Because they are still "in action", but not following the same "agenda" anymore.


in the literal ending, yeah.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

They are defeated in every ending, even refuse. So Stargazer is integral.

What? The Reapers are "defeated" in "Control" and "Synthesis"?


yes, quotation marks and all.

You mean : The "Reaper threat was ended", is that more like it? Because they are still "in action", but not following the same "agenda" anymore.

You don't need to destroy an enemy in order to defeat them.