RavenEyry wrote...
Did you see the guy arguing that because the tower was intact after the explosion it must be survivable?byne wrote...
I actually kind of miss the days when literalists argued that Shep made her way back to the beam and took it down to Earth before the explosion.
Now they just try and claim Shep is explosion-proof.
RavenEyry wrote...
Did you see the guy arguing that because the tower was intact after the explosion it must be survivable?byne wrote...
I actually kind of miss the days when literalists argued that Shep made her way back to the beam and took it down to Earth before the explosion.
Now they just try and claim Shep is explosion-proof.
demersel wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
I just saw your link, and I don't see even a remote connection in the animation : Anderson has his arms along his sides, not behind his head, and the "theme" is not connected either.
That was not my link. And i didn't even stated that the animations were the same.
All i said was that when I first saw this scene - it felt like I've already seen something like this before. That odd feeling of familiarity. Been there done that.
Just as with the illlusive man shooting himself. (or if you yourself shoot him , just like you or ashley shot Udina)
Just like the beam run mk2
Just like the shadow broker panels.
Just like the master console and opening of the citadel arms.
Just like getting up after nealy getting hit by the beam in ME3 prologe.
etc.
BiO_MaN wrote...
demersel wrote...
The true point of the IT on this would be -
they reused the situation, bacause it is taken straight from shepard's memories. Reuse of animation is a by product of that.
As Iconoclaste has replied, there's really no connection between those. Following your train of thought, it would mean everything after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger will have to be in Shepard's memories. Firstly, I don't think that's neccesarily how a 'dream sequence' should play out, because it is the Reapers planting thoughts into Shepard, not Shepard dreaming it up. Secondly, your example is the only instance in which a situation is taken from a previous memory (which, like I said before, i do not think is the case).
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Well, everyone can see the cutscenes for themselves : even engulfed in flames, Shepard is still standing afterwards. Just play it slow, and watch with the same care you use when digging for other clues : that blast doesn't even make him back off (the blowing tube). As for the "big explosions", there are actually 2 very different events, that start (1) at mid-point upwards the Presidium Tower, and (2) in a very unprecise location, seen from a remote position relative to the Citadel.demersel wrote...
@ Iconclaust.
You seem like a decent fellow.
The argument is very simple
Shepard would die of the explosion he's likethree meters away, in the literal version, reagardless of it's size and power (both of which is immense anyway).
In literal vesrion - shepard is in an area with air to breath, and pressure kept at level to keep him alive.
Explosion ooriginates in the same area meters away from him.
Point being, in literal version there IS air between shepard and explosion to carry the kiling force.
If you say that it does not matter in a vacuum - thet that means that at the moment when shepard shoot's the tube he is in a vacuum with out his suit and helmet on. And he must be dead in the first place.
That's all there is to it. And there is nothing more to discuss on this topic reallly.
Eryri wrote...
Hi guys. Just wanted to pop in to say, keep up the good work on the speculations. Don't let the trolls grind you down!
@ Demersel - I like your theory that Indoctrination is really the "Intelligence" Leviathan mentioned. Have you read SimonSays' Selfish Meme thread on Indoctrination as the real antagonist of the game? He came to quite similar conclusions to you.
Iconoclaste wrote...
Well, everyone can see the cutscenes for themselves : even engulfed in flames, Shepard is still standing afterwards. Just play it slow, and watch with the same care you use when digging for other clues : that blast doesn't even make him back off (the blowing tube). As for the "big explosions", there are actually 2 very different events, that start (1) at mid-point upwards the Presidium Tower, and (2) in a very unprecise location, seen from a remote position relative to the Citadel.demersel wrote...
@ Iconclaust.
You seem like a decent fellow.
The argument is very simple
Shepard would die of the explosion he's likethree meters away, in the literal version, reagardless of it's size and power (both of which is immense anyway).
In literal vesrion - shepard is in an area with air to breath, and pressure kept at level to keep him alive.
Explosion ooriginates in the same area meters away from him.
Point being, in literal version there IS air between shepard and explosion to carry the kiling force.
If you say that it does not matter in a vacuum - thet that means that at the moment when shepard shoot's the tube he is in a vacuum with out his suit and helmet on. And he must be dead in the first place.
That's all there is to it. And there is nothing more to discuss on this topic reallly.
While I enjoy your speculation on indoctrination, I do not look at evidence in the same way : if it's not more serious than that, and lack of consistency appears in the scrutiny, I tend to doubt, like many others. Trying to shove "frail evidence" out of the way, and trying to enforce moot points like re-used assets is nothing to make IT a solid case. Just the attitude behind the means of defense of moot points is enough to trigger passive readers into coming in to troll, but you do not see this, because you rely on fellow supporters to collectively try to conceal things that do not support IT. If I were you, I would rather stick to the "dream" version and not argue about minute details to make them into "convincing arguments". It will not work, it will make you furious instead of being creative, it will lead to insults and bullying. I know the dance.
Iconoclaste wrote...
BiO_MaN wrote...
What do you mean, the true enemy? Indoctrination is a tool used by the Reapers. I don't follow.
Lots of coincidences do not amount to an ounce of evidence. This is classical juridic knowledge : circumstancial evidence is made because direct evidence is missing, and context needs to be established to make the evidence credible. Since IT relies on stronger evidence, relying on minor elements is a waste of time : the case is elsewhere, no need to look further, and I would say that there is so much of your "evidence" gathered that I would easily bet that most of you, here and today, have lost track of it. Why continue to search if you don't even keep track of everything?demersel wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
I just saw your link, and I don't see even a remote connection in the animation : Anderson has his arms along his sides, not behind his head, and the "theme" is not connected either.
That was not my link. And i didn't even stated that the animations were the same.
All i said was that when I first saw this scene - it felt like I've already seen something like this before. That odd feeling of familiarity. Been there done that.
Just as with the illlusive man shooting himself. (or if you yourself shoot him , just like you or ashley shot Udina)
Just like the beam run mk2
Just like the shadow broker panels.
Just like the master console and opening of the citadel arms.
Just like getting up after nealy getting hit by the beam in ME3 prologe.
etc.
http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/Iconoclaste wrote...
Lots of coincidences do not amount to an ounce of evidence. This is classical juridic knowledge : circumstancial evidence is made because direct evidence is missing, and context needs to be established to make the evidence credible. Since IT relies on stronger evidence, relying on minor elements is a waste of time : the case is elsewhere, no need to look further, and I would say that there is so much of your "evidence" gathered that I would easily bet that most of you, here and today, have lost track of it. Why continue to search if you don't even keep track of everything?demersel wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
I just saw your link, and I don't see even a remote connection in the animation : Anderson has his arms along his sides, not behind his head, and the "theme" is not connected either.
That was not my link. And i didn't even stated that the animations were the same.
All i said was that when I first saw this scene - it felt like I've already seen something like this before. That odd feeling of familiarity. Been there done that.
Just as with the illlusive man shooting himself. (or if you yourself shoot him , just like you or ashley shot Udina)
Just like the beam run mk2
Just like the shadow broker panels.
Just like the master console and opening of the citadel arms.
Just like getting up after nealy getting hit by the beam in ME3 prologe.
etc.
Which makes my point even more sound : the explosion, still, doesn't move / burn / throw / injur Shepard, look for yourself. In the last frames of the animation, Shepard is still standing in the middle of the flames and going for it. And by the way, how do you assess temperature : "red = hot"? You don't even know the nature of the "gasses" coming out of that tube!demersel wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
Did you ever noticed that the scene with the destroy explosion is played in slow motion? That means that this explosion is instantenious in real time. And MUCH more violent than it seems. Everything is beautifull in Slow-Mo.
Maybe you should have a look at your own posts sir. And don't start attacking me, the poster : attack my opinion, I don't care.BatmanTurian wrote...
http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/
We do, though it needs to be updated for EC. Parabolee hasn't updated it recently.
Your posts are coming off very condescending. I don't know if you're really like this or you don't realize you're doing this.
Iconoclaste wrote...
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Iconoclaste wrote...
Which makes my point even more sound : the explosion, still, doesn't move / burn / throw / injur Shepard, look for yourself. In the last frames of the animation, Shepard is still standing in the middle of the flames and going for it. And by the way, how do you assess temperature : "red = hot"? You don't even know the nature of the "gasses" coming out of that tube!
Iconoclaste wrote...
Which makes my point even more sound : the explosion, still, doesn't move / burn / throw / injur Shepard, look for yourself. In the last frames of the animation, Shepard is still standing in the middle of the flames and going for it. And by the way, how do you assess temperature : "red = hot"? You don't even know the nature of the "gasses" coming out of that tube!demersel wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
Did you ever noticed that the scene with the destroy explosion is played in slow motion? That means that this explosion is instantenious in real time. And MUCH more violent than it seems. Everything is beautifull in Slow-Mo.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:08 .
Iconoclaste wrote...
Maybe you should have a look at your own posts sir. And don't start attacking me, the poster : attack my opinion, I don't care.BatmanTurian wrote...
http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/
We do, though it needs to be updated for EC. Parabolee hasn't updated it recently.
Your posts are coming off very condescending. I don't know if you're really like this or you don't realize you're doing this.
zigamortis wrote...
Anything big come of leviathan?
demersel wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Anything big come of leviathan?
Yes. IT is true.
BatmanTurian wrote...
demersel wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Anything big come of leviathan?
Yes. IT is true.
IT is slightly more likely. Nothing has been proven.
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