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#1876
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Paxxton I am the vanguard of your own destruction.

#1877
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masster blaster wrote...

Banshee please tell me you are joking about not sending me these PMs.

I am joking and I am not sending you those PMs.

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#1878
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masster blaster wrote...

Paxxton I am the vanguard of your own destruction.

And I'm the vanguard of your ass kicking.

NOW GET BACK IN THE BARRACKS, MAGGOT! THE TOILETS NEED TO BE SCRUBBED!

#1879
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Banshee did tell me his name was Chris earlier. Didn't get his surname though - true story

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masster blaster wrote...

Paxxton I am the vanguard of your own destruction.

You cannot yet comprehend your place in things.

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estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?

you talk about pie with me.

#1883
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?


I dont know....


I'm Byne, and I make Red vs Blue references, like, all the time.

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CoolioThane wrote...

Banshee did tell me his name was Chris earlier. Didn't get his surname though - true story



Please for the love of all that’s holy stop encouraging him..

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?


You...critique things intelligently and post thoughts honestly?

And yes, lurkers are more than welcome and shouldn't fear posting their thoughts.  Just look at what I post: it ranges from pretty well grounded in evidence to "this is barely justifiable but kind of related." If any trolls try to bother you, Liara keeps a watchful eye around here

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?


I dont know....


I'm Byne, and I make Red vs Blue references, like, all the time.

Hi! I am paxxton. I am the Catalyst. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 02 août 2012 - 01:30 .


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[quote]I_eat_unicorns wrote...

No, you are an IT-zealot. All It supporters are.[quote]
(BansheeOwnage wrotePosted Image


Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Posted ImagePosted Image Stopped reading here. All supporters are zealots huh? So WTF IS A ZEALOT?)

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 02 août 2012 - 01:33 .


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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?


I dont know....


I'm Byne, and I make Red vs Blue references, like, all the time.

Hi! I am paxxton. I am the Catalyst. Posted Image

Hi, I'm estebanus, and I like pie!

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

To all the Lurkers,

Hi am I am Rosewind, but you can call me Rose! Us "Regulars" don't bite so feel free to chat we not as smart as you all think we are, we are just here to have a fun time chatting and Speculating *Adjusts Speculation Monocle*.
So feel free to post we love to hear your opinion and just ignore Arian and Rif their bark is worse then their bite lol.

Love from the Speculator Madam
Rose

I second this. We won't be offensive against any lurkers here. Please come and share your thoughts with us!

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?


I dont know....


I'm Byne, and I make Red vs Blue references, like, all the time.

Hi! I am paxxton. I am the Catalyst. Posted Image

 

Don't believe him, he's trying to indoctrinate you =]

#1890
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Oh, now masster says I'm a Specter.

Ah well, that's what I'm good at. Shooting things.

*prepares the level 4 Typhoon*

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lex0r11 wrote...

Oh, now masster says I'm a Specter.

Ah well, that's what I'm good at. Shooting things.

*prepares the level 4 Typhoon*

Is he PMing you?

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FFZero wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Banshee did tell me his name was Chris earlier. Didn't get his surname though - true story



Please for the love of all that’s holy stop encouraging him..


Banter.

Right I'm off to bed so speak with everyone tomorrow! Let's hope for some news on Leviathan!

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estebanus wrote...

Is he PMing you?


No, I just saw the edit of his council post.

#1894
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CoolioThane wrote...

FFZero wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Banshee did tell me his name was Chris earlier. Didn't get his surname though - true story



Please for the love of all that’s holy stop encouraging him..


Banter.

Right I'm off to bed so speak with everyone tomorrow! Let's hope for some news on Leviathan!

See ya tomorrow!

#1895
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Nothing personal Lex but Estebauns thought that your aren't the Counciler tip, like how Anderson was. He hated being a counciler, and makes some good speeches/motivations too.

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TheConstantOne wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

In an effort to bring this back to speculations: Can someone explain why so many people still think the epilogues (not necessarily the space scenes/Normandy scenes) are part of the indoctrination attempt and not actual depictions of the galaxy's future?


It's my belief coming as an overlay-time theorist that the epilogue scenes ARE REAL but everything Shepard faces post "serve us" is fake.

Remember how we talked about religious imagery in the ending and allegory? The writers are explaning how religions and cults are formed.

1. You have past events that are real and are more or less based somewhat on historical events (ME1-near end of ME3)
2. You usually have a mesiah figure who during a short period of time accomplishes miracles and fantastically stories that are scientifically impossible and with logic that sometimes does not make sense (ending of ME3)
3. You have "modern period" epilogue scenes.

Stargazer doesn't know the full details of what happens at the end of ME3 and Shepard in the same way that we in the modern world don't know the full story of Jesus or Mohammed (insert the name of your messiah figure here) and because of that- why people depend on allegory and religious texts. Jesus and Mohammed may have been real people but since "details are lost in time" they've become Legends.

Get it?;)

That said, the details lost in time does not mean that those details will not be filled...


We can't say for certain whether they are real or not but...if you take all of the endings together there are two pivotal things that can be explained through Shepard's willpower:

1) The soldiers that are fighting the husks.  This point has been mentioned quite a few times.  In Destroy, they continue fighting until the bitter end whereas in Control and Synthesis, the husks are winning out.  This could be an illustration of Shepard's mental state versus Reaper power.  In Control and Synthesis, Shepard doesn't believe he is destroying the Reapers and so if the soldiers are indicative of his willpower, they will not fare well against Reapers.

2) The Normandy memorial wall scene.  When Shepard believes openly accepts his death at the hands of the Reapers, his name is placed on the wall.  In Destroy, the companion not only doesn't place the plaque on the wall but some of them seem to be smirking.  How would the companion be so sure of Shepard's survival as to not place his name on the wall AND smile?  This can be readily explained if they represent part of Shepard's consciousness: at this point of the vid Shepard realizes that he has succeeded and that he is still alive.  This explanation also reconciles very well with Shepard waking up right after the memorial scene


I think we need to seperate the slides from what happens on dream planet.

1. Everything in the space battle is real... even the crucible firing.

2. Dream planet is fake... fake fake fake.... faker than fakey McFake Fake. It is the "haven" in Shepard's mind.

3. Stargazer scene is very real but it happens soooooooo long after the events of ME3. It's meant to show that after signficant periods of time how real events get the details lost in time. Stargazer is telling this fantastical story to this child about Shepard in the same way an adult would explain a religion to the child. The problem is we know the facts of the Mass Effect universe... that's why we're all here ITers, through logic and reason we can see through the BS of the ME3 ending unlike the way a child would when faced with a similar story.

The ME3 ending is a parody of religion and ironically comments on how people accept faith (or indoctrination)  in other religious faiths about mesiahs or "Shepards" who perform miracles that we know are impossible.

It's telling that Bioware took so much inspiration from Dante's "The Divine Comedy" about the "souls journey to God." The ME3 is a parody of the "person's acceptance of god"... a subtle but important distinction.

Sorry if I offended anyone here who is religious.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Oh, now masster says I'm a Specter.

Ah well, that's what I'm good at. Shooting things.

*prepares the level 4 Typhoon*


So, is the Typhoon REALLY as bad post nerf as Rifneno says it is?  Or is it just Rifneno being, well, Rifneno? Posted Image

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[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

Third (I know it's like 10th). I am Banshee, and I... Wait, what the hell do I do here anyway?[/quote] you talk about pie with me.
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Right. How could I forget?

[quote]TheConstantOne wrote...

You...critique things intelligently and post thoughts honestly?

[/quote]
Thanks. Posted Image

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masster blaster wrote...

Nothing personal Lex but Estebauns thought that your aren't the Counciler tip, like how Anderson was. He hated being a counciler, and makes some good speeches/motivations too.


But I overruled him and declared I wouldnt sit on a council that didnt include lex0r.

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Besides we have nothing better to do, and if Bioware want's us to speculate well we simply are, but in our way of a day off of speculations.