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[demersel]

Lol! It is funny that Mike Gamble chose to answer BOTH spotlessvoid AND jessika merizan
It's like what the hell are you saying, girl!WTF is wrong with you, making such statements as our community manager. ))))))))))))))))))))))))0

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
It didn't choose to indoctrinate organics to obey Leviathans' will 
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I bet the Leviathans were REALLY surpised by this. 

I got the impression from the conversation with Leviathan that Harbinger as a Leviathan Reaper had the ability to enthrall "inherited" from Leviathans and only then, evolving cycle after cycle, it gave rise to indoctrination.

That's what I gathered, and that's what makes me think that Harby might be using Leviathan enthrallment on Shepard.  Oh, maybe he's using a combination of enthrallment and indoctrination to warp Shepard's perceptions.  WNT anyone? 

I think that enthrallment is less subtle, more damaging to the subject, but more rapid and reliable form of taking control. Unlike Indoctrination it seems to require mental connection between Harbinger and Shepard. + Thralls do only what the controller orders. Without orders they are basically free to do whatever they want in the confines of the artificial environment created by the controller.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 septembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[Home run MF]

demersel wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You know, Leviathans incorrectly phrased the Intelligence's purpose. They shouldn't have added "at any cost".

To be fair Leviathan does not say organic life  just life 
"To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost."

they didn't view machines as life. 

Maybe that's the problem I will not create a fully self aware and capable of learning oven to help me solve my problems with my dysfunctional refrigerator, since I would assume it has more in common with the latter. You might get frozen.

[FFZero]

Dwailing wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, what's the general conclusion?  Are we listening to Jessica? Are we all crazy? Do we still have a prayer (So to speak.) of being right?

While IT is still alive and well and could still be a possibility, one that Bioware would be stupid to pass up if they don't have any other plans, I’m more inclined to think that Bioware are building up to a conventional victory DLC for a few reasons.

1. By making a conventional victory possible they don’t ****** off the Pro or Anti-ITers.

2 .Why would they keep adding war assets and recruitable allies like the Leviathans if they don’t have a plan like this? Also why would they add more lines to the Catalyst? It seems like a waste of time/resources that could be put elsewhere.

As for Jessica, don’t listen to a word she, or anyone from Bioware for that matter, says. They’ve been caught in lies more than once, don’t believe anything they say unless it shows up in official announcements.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they go this route.  Since they reduced the ammount of war assets required to get the Breath Scene, there's no point in adding more assets unless they're going to do something else with them.  And here's something that makes me wonder even more about Jessica's posts.  It sounds like at least SOME of the people at BioWare don't know she made them.  Spotlessvoid asked Michael Gamble about it on Twitter about 6 hours ago, and he seemed confused at first, then didn't respond when spotless clarified.  Here're the tweets if anyone's interested: 
http://twitter.com/G...049982142345216

Yeah, since the release of ME3 some of Jessicas twitter posts have done a lot more harm than good. Chris I would say is just as bad but at least he’s somewhat consistent with his posts, Jessica seems to be all over the place with some of her statements.

[BatmanTurian]

hangmans tree wrote...

BTW, Im reading the whole debate and see that non of you is realizing that BW CANT use IT anymore - in the 1st place simply due to legal rammifications. They didnt came up with it, it wasnt their intent.
Just like Lucas Arts, they burn EVERY mail/email with fanart/fanfiction that is not ordered, even before it can reach creative team's hands.

Another thing, how does IT explain the last scene with the old fart and a kid talking under the blue photoshop filter midnight sky?

Just go away. Who cares what we think? It doesn't affect your life. You add nothing to conversations.

[hangmans tree]

BatmanTurian wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

BTW, Im reading the whole debate and see that non of you is realizing that BW CANT use IT anymore - in the 1st place simply due to legal rammifications. They didnt came up with it, it wasnt their intent.
Just like Lucas Arts, they burn EVERY mail/email with fanart/fanfiction that is not ordered, even before it can reach creative team's hands.

Another thing, how does IT explain the last scene with the old fart and a kid talking under the blue photoshop filter midnight sky?

Just go away. Who cares what we think? It doesn't affect your life. You add nothing to conversations.

Oh, the polite one has spoken.
I am actually curious about the last scene in confrontation with IT, that is all.

edit: if you think that way, why bother responding? Ignore my posts, that would be better, no?

Modifié par hangmans tree, 04 septembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Arashi08]

IT as a theory is a fan creation, but it is the IDEA that Shepard is indoctrinated that IT is based on. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that if BioWare dore makes Shepard go through indoctrination it won't be 100% what IT has stated,

[demersel]

hangmans tree wrote...

I am actually curious about the last scene in confrontation with IT, that is all.

Go create a dedicated topic asking that question. 
And he is the polite one among us. 

[paxxton]

Arashi08 wrote...

IT as a theory is a fan creation, but it is the IDEA that Shepard is indoctrinated that IT is based on. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that if BioWare dore makes Shepard go through indoctrination it won't be 100% what IT has stated,

Of course. It'll be UNIT and RSDT.
Unified Nanide-based Indoctrination Theory (UNIT)
Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)

Modifié par paxxton, 04 septembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[hangmans tree]

demersel wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I am actually curious about the last scene in confrontation with IT, that is all.

Go create a dedicated topic asking that question. 

which would be locked or merged with this one?

[Dwailing]

Arashi08 wrote...

IT as a theory is a fan creation, but it is the IDEA that Shepard is indoctrinated that IT is based on. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that if BioWare dore makes Shepard go through indoctrination it won't be 100% what IT has stated,

Of course it won't be indentical.  We can only speculate as to what they'll really do.  Although that's also a bit of a problem given that the fans are getting... a bit restless.  At this point, I think we're getting more annoyed by their unwillingness to come out an tell us whether IT is right or wrong than we would be if they actually TOLD us one way or the other.

Modifié par Dwailing, 04 septembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I am actually curious about the last scene in confrontation with IT, that is all.

Go create a dedicated topic asking that question. 
And he is the polite one among us. 

Yeah dude, just be glad Rifneno isn't here.  He'd be tearing you apart.

[demersel]

hangmans tree wrote...
which would be locked or merged with this one? 

You'd never know for sure, before you try. 

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

IT as a theory is a fan creation, but it is the IDEA that Shepard is indoctrinated that IT is based on. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that if BioWare dore makes Shepard go through indoctrination it won't be 100% what IT has stated,

Of course it won't be indentical.  We can only speculate as to what they'll really do.  Although that's also a bit of a problem given that the fans are getting... a bit restless.  At this point, I think we're getting more annoyed by their unwillingness to come out an tell us whether IT is right or wrong than we would be if they actually TOLD us one way or the other.

I think the truth lies in a merger of Indoctrination and Puzzle Theory. Somewhere in that morass, some things are true and some things are equally false.

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...
 At this point, I think we're getting more annoyed by their unwillingness to come out an tell us whether IT is right or wrong than we would be if they actually TOLD us one way or the other.

Now, THAT is just pure baseless speculation!

[Arashi08]

I don't really see a confontation with the Stargazer scene. It was an easter egg; the only real context is has with the ME universe it that it happens to BE in that universe. Just...a long time afterwards...in a galaxy that is the exact same one as before...

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I am actually curious about the last scene in confrontation with IT, that is all.

Go create a dedicated topic asking that question. 
And he is the polite one among us. 

That might be an interesting topic. A great final battle between Literalists and ITists. Locked down by .

Modifié par paxxton, 04 septembre 2012 - 10:07 .

[demersel]

Arashi08 wrote...

I don't really see a confontation with the Stargazer scene. It was an easter egg; the only real context is has with the ME universe it that it happens to BE in that universe. Just...a long time afterwards...in a galaxy that is the exact same one as before...

...but without the reapers, as a threat. 

for me, it shows, that reapers CAN and WILL be beaten, inevitably. 

[Dwailing]

Arashi08 wrote...

I don't really see a confontation with the Stargazer scene. It was an easter egg; the only real context is has with the ME universe it that it happens to BE in that universe. Just...a long time afterwards...in a galaxy that is the exact same one as before...

What gets me about the Stargazer scene is that, while it DOES differ based on whether you chose Rejection or one of the other endings, if you choose Synthesis, it doesn't change at ALL.  You'd think those two would be glowing a little bit, wouldn't you? 

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

I don't really see a confontation with the Stargazer scene. It was an easter egg; the only real context is has with the ME universe it that it happens to BE in that universe. Just...a long time afterwards...in a galaxy that is the exact same one as before...

What gets me about the Stargazer scene is that, while it DOES differ based on whether you chose Rejection or one of the other endings, if you choose Synthesis, it doesn't change at ALL.  You'd think those two would be glowing a little bit, wouldn't you? 

Maybe those aren't individuals from the races in the present time-line but some life that evolved far later from Amino Acids that had no contact with the Synthesis change. Perhaps all of the races caught a virus (since they are homogenous now, I'll let you speculate on whether it's an organic or synthetic virus or both, because it doesn't matter) and it killed them all off and all that was left was their records and ruins and so the story of the Shepard was handed down which allowed those individuals to live for which they are grateful.

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

What gets me about the Stargazer scene is that, while it DOES differ based on whether you chose Rejection or one of the other endings, if you choose Synthesis, it doesn't change at ALL.  You'd think those two would be glowing a little bit, wouldn't you? 

It tels me that shepard is shas yet to do something, regardless of the fact wether or not he is indoctrinated - and if he just dies - that something doesn't happen, and your cycle looses. 

[spotlessvoid]

I just tweeted Mike Gamble:

"So, does Jessica speak for Bioware, or are her tweets her opinions?"

The thing is, given how unambiguous her statements were ... if it's the truth and she has already put it out there for all to see....what reason does Mike have to go silent?

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I just tweeted Mike Gamble:

"So, does Jessica speak for Bioware, or are her tweets her opinions?"

The thing is, given how unambiguous her statements were ... if it's the truth and she has already put it out there for all to see....what reason does Mike have to go silent?

The same reason he said we were " committed ".

[XXIceColdXX]

paxxton wrote...

You know, Leviathans incorrectly phrased the Intelligence's purpose. They shouldn't have added "at any cost".

I agree, that line of coding really cost them.