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[FreddyCast]

Hey guys, I've been debating smudboy on his new vid on youtube. And it seems so awkward that someone so smart and intelligent is so ignorant of what IT actually states.
Here's the comments in Chronological order.

Me: "Although ME didn't have a storyline covering Shepard's indoctrination, it does however show Shepard being exposed to Reaper Indoctrination and showing symptoms of it throughout ME2 and ME3. Something which smudboy seems to not know.
Just look at this vid.
watch?v=4S3YW5cKrSQ"

smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."

Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."

smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."

Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."

smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."

Me: "Anyone with a powerful mental strength can resist indoctrination. Benezia was one of them before she realized she couldn't hold it back any longer and used her powers to make a "haven" in her mind free of indoctrination, which trapped her within her mind until she was injured. Point is, you can be exposed to indoctrination and still not be indoctrinated. Just like you can be exposed to smoking, but not develop cancer. This is what Shepard has been experiencing, which you seem to want to deny."

smudboy: "So? The only exception to not being indoctrinated was Shiala, due to the Thorian. Shepard was just as "indoctrinated" as any of his colleagues were.
Point is, you're indoctrinated, or you're not. You either have cancer, or you don't.
There is no evidence of Shepard experiencing the effects of indoctrination. He is exhibiting no symptoms that Benezia described, nor behaving like the Solarians on Virmire. Vendetta did not detect it.
You are deluded."

Me: "In-game evidence proves you wrong.
Shepard was exposed to a Reaper vision with a subliminal message, electromagnetic waves, and infrasonic noise in Arrival DLC.
He sees ghostly "presences", hears Reaper noise in the background, whispers of indoctrination, and infrasonic sound in all three Dreams.
He also shows symptoms, of betraying friends (Mordin, Wrex, Legion), trusting enemies (TIM inthe Catalyst convo.), and viewing the Reaper with superstitious awe (boy as Catalyst).
Read Indoc. codex"

Calling me delusional for having a different interpretation of ME3's ending is silly, biased, and closed-minded of him.

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...

Being an Admiral in the Migrant Fleet is different from being an Admiral in the Systems Alliance, though.

Either way, after saving the galaxy three times, they'd probably come up with a brand new rank for Shepard, and she'd be the only one who will ever get it.

According to the data mined from the games beta leak, Shepard would get named Lord Protector of the Galaxy by the Council as a reward for being right all-along and being generally awesome.

That title may conjure unpleasant images for the Irish or anyone familiar with English history, but it's still a damn cool title.

[Hrothdane]

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, I've been debating smudboy on his new vid on youtube. And it seems so awkward that someone so smart and intelligent is so ignorant of what IT actually states.
Here's the comments in Chronological order.

Me: "Although ME didn't have a storyline covering Shepard's indoctrination, it does however show Shepard being exposed to Reaper Indoctrination and showing symptoms of it throughout ME2 and ME3. Something which smudboy seems to not know.
Just look at this vid.
watch?v=4S3YW5cKrSQ"

smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."

Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."

smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."

Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."

smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."

Me: "Anyone with a powerful mental strength can resist indoctrination. Benezia was one of them before she realized she couldn't hold it back any longer and used her powers to make a "haven" in her mind free of indoctrination, which trapped her within her mind until she was injured. Point is, you can be exposed to indoctrination and still not be indoctrinated. Just like you can be exposed to smoking, but not develop cancer. This is what Shepard has been experiencing, which you seem to want to deny."

smudboy: "So? The only exception to not being indoctrinated was Shiala, due to the Thorian. Shepard was just as "indoctrinated" as any of his colleagues were.
Point is, you're indoctrinated, or you're not. You either have cancer, or you don't.
There is no evidence of Shepard experiencing the effects of indoctrination. He is exhibiting no symptoms that Benezia described, nor behaving like the Solarians on Virmire. Vendetta did not detect it.
You are deluded."

Me: "In-game evidence proves you wrong.
Shepard was exposed to a Reaper vision with a subliminal message, electromagnetic waves, and infrasonic noise in Arrival DLC.
He sees ghostly "presences", hears Reaper noise in the background, whispers of indoctrination, and infrasonic sound in all three Dreams.
He also shows symptoms, of betraying friends (Mordin, Wrex, Legion), trusting enemies (TIM inthe Catalyst convo.), and viewing the Reaper with superstitious awe (boy as Catalyst).
Read Indoc. codex"

Calling me delusional for having a different interpretation of ME3's ending is silly, biased, and closed-minded of him.

What an ass. Insulting someone is exactly what you do to make them never agree with you ever. You answered him with actual textual evidence every time and he just blew you off.

[byne]

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

Being an Admiral in the Migrant Fleet is different from being an Admiral in the Systems Alliance, though.

Either way, after saving the galaxy three times, they'd probably come up with a brand new rank for Shepard, and she'd be the only one who will ever get it.

According to the data mined from the games beta leak, Shepard would get named Lord Protector of the Galaxy by the Council as a reward for being right all-along and being generally awesome.

That title may conjure unpleasant images for the Irish or anyone familiar with English history, but it's still a damn cool title.

What about for FemShep?

Lady Protector of the Galaxy sounds kind of silly.

[TJBartlemus]

 Not directly related to IT, but I am in need of a video maker to assist me with the production of the WNT video. Hellish had to drop the project...  ...and I know several people here are excellent at making videos. So if you are interested please PM me!!! 

For those who are waiting for the video...thanks for your patience!!! :happy: Specific details are in the WNT group discussions for those interested!!!

So on topic now...how about them speculations??

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 05 septembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

Being an Admiral in the Migrant Fleet is different from being an Admiral in the Systems Alliance, though.

Either way, after saving the galaxy three times, they'd probably come up with a brand new rank for Shepard, and she'd be the only one who will ever get it.

According to the data mined from the games beta leak, Shepard would get named Lord Protector of the Galaxy by the Council as a reward for being right all-along and being generally awesome.

That title may conjure unpleasant images for the Irish or anyone familiar with English history, but it's still a damn cool title.

What about for FemShep?

Lady Protector of the Galaxy sounds kind of silly.

I would assume that by that point the English language will have finished eliminating all the female-gendered variants of job names and titles and turned all the male-gendered versions into non-gendered. For example, no more waitresses, only waiters; no more actresses, only actors; etc....

[FreddyCast]

Hrothdane wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, I've been debating smudboy on his new vid on youtube. And it seems so awkward that someone so smart and intelligent is so ignorant of what IT actually states.
Here's the comments in Chronological order.

Me: "Although ME didn't have a storyline covering Shepard's indoctrination, it does however show Shepard being exposed to Reaper Indoctrination and showing symptoms of it throughout ME2 and ME3. Something which smudboy seems to not know.
Just look at this vid.
watch?v=4S3YW5cKrSQ"

smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."

Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."

smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."

Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."

smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."

Me: "Anyone with a powerful mental strength can resist indoctrination. Benezia was one of them before she realized she couldn't hold it back any longer and used her powers to make a "haven" in her mind free of indoctrination, which trapped her within her mind until she was injured. Point is, you can be exposed to indoctrination and still not be indoctrinated. Just like you can be exposed to smoking, but not develop cancer. This is what Shepard has been experiencing, which you seem to want to deny."

smudboy: "So? The only exception to not being indoctrinated was Shiala, due to the Thorian. Shepard was just as "indoctrinated" as any of his colleagues were.
Point is, you're indoctrinated, or you're not. You either have cancer, or you don't.
There is no evidence of Shepard experiencing the effects of indoctrination. He is exhibiting no symptoms that Benezia described, nor behaving like the Solarians on Virmire. Vendetta did not detect it.
You are deluded."

Me: "In-game evidence proves you wrong.
Shepard was exposed to a Reaper vision with a subliminal message, electromagnetic waves, and infrasonic noise in Arrival DLC.
He sees ghostly "presences", hears Reaper noise in the background, whispers of indoctrination, and infrasonic sound in all three Dreams.
He also shows symptoms, of betraying friends (Mordin, Wrex, Legion), trusting enemies (TIM inthe Catalyst convo.), and viewing the Reaper with superstitious awe (boy as Catalyst).
Read Indoc. codex"

Calling me delusional for having a different interpretation of ME3's ending is silly, biased, and closed-minded of him.

What an ass. Insulting someone is exactly what you do to make them never agree with you ever. You answered him with actual textual evidence every time and he just blew you off.

smudboy: "In-game evidence proves you're deluded.
-Whoops. Shepard never went on the Arrival DLC.
-The dreams are just dreams.
-You choose to kill/save those characters. Not the Reapers and their indoctrination.
-Shepard never trusted TIM. The Catalyst could somehow read Shepard's mind.
-Stop reading into the codex."

He blew me off again. What can I do? It's how most Non-ITers behave.
But I didn't expect it from him.
I've lost respect for him now.

[paxxton]

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

Being an Admiral in the Migrant Fleet is different from being an Admiral in the Systems Alliance, though.

Either way, after saving the galaxy three times, they'd probably come up with a brand new rank for Shepard, and she'd be the only one who will ever get it.

According to the data mined from the games beta leak, Shepard would get named Lord Protector of the Galaxy by the Council as a reward for being right all-along and being generally awesome.

That title may conjure unpleasant images for the Irish or anyone familiar with English history, but it's still a damn cool title.

What about for FemShep?

Lady Protector of the Galaxy sounds kind of silly.

I would assume that by that point the English language will have finished eliminating all the female-gendered variants of job names and titles and turned all the male-gendered versions into non-gendered. For example, no more waitresses, only waiters; no more actresses, only actors; etc....

There's also "billionairess".

[jgibson14352]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I still think they cant keep the story ambiguous forever. Even with BladeRunner they eventually revealed what was really going on. The speculations and the ambiguity are the only ways to keep people interested in ME3 and not just playing it, beating it, and forgetting it. The end result of months, perhaps a year+ of speculation is a revealing of the truth. Otherwise there is no point to the speculations.

uhhhhhhhhhhh NO. that ambguity, combined with gambles last tweet is exactly why im washing my hands of this. i know hes said the same thing before, but in this context it means exactly what ive feared since the EC. it ****ing sucks, but its pretty obvious now that its over. i think its fact that at some point they intended IT, but i have no idea why they would drop it. anything could happen, but the chances are so unbelievably low that i refuse to be a part of anything EA or BioWare from here on out. im done.

[TJBartlemus]

 Well. Gotta go. And it looks like I won't be able to get on till Friday. <_< So while I'm gone please spread the message to all the video makers I'm looking for one to work with for the WNT video and for them to PM me. 

Stay classy IT thread!!! 

PS. Don't forget to post in the WNT thread!!!!

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:16 .

[TSA_383]

TJBartlemus wrote...
Stay classy IT thread!!! 

No.

[TJBartlemus]

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...
Stay classy IT thread!!! 

No.

 U No Likey the Will Ferrall? Shame on you. 

[OneWithTheAssassins]

So what, IT is dead and Bioware never intended it in the first place and there won't be and post-breath dlc like project x?
I'm losing faith here people, I need a boost in hope.

[spotlessvoid]

There is not a shred of ambiguity in Jessica's tweet, and given that context, I'm taking Mike's at face value..
Whatever their intention was, they've lost my attention. Good luck my friends

[byne]

spotlessvoid wrote...

There is not a shred of ambiguity in Jessica's tweet, and given that context, I'm taking Mike's at face value..
Whatever their intention was, they've lost my attention. Good luck my friends

So Jessica, who doesnt actually know what Gamble is planning, said something, and Gamble didnt actually confirm it, but just said something we already knew, and you lose hope?

Ok I guess.

[desert_beagle]

jgibson14352 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I still think they cant keep the story ambiguous forever. Even with BladeRunner they eventually revealed what was really going on. The speculations and the ambiguity are the only ways to keep people interested in ME3 and not just playing it, beating it, and forgetting it. The end result of months, perhaps a year+ of speculation is a revealing of the truth. Otherwise there is no point to the speculations.

uhhhhhhhhhhh NO. that ambguity, combined with gambles last tweet is exactly why im washing my hands of this. i know hes said the same thing before, but in this context it means exactly what ive feared since the EC. it ****ing sucks, but its pretty obvious now that its over. i think its fact that at some point they intended IT, but i have no idea why they would drop it. anything could happen, but the chances are so unbelievably low that i refuse to be a part of anything EA or BioWare from here on out. im done.

Out of curiousity, what was Gamble's last tweet?

[TJBartlemus]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

So what, IT is dead and Bioware never intended it in the first place and there won't be and post-breath dlc like project x?
I'm losing faith here people, I need a boost in hope.

WNT is still alive and kicking.  No one has yet given a single thing that disproves it. It's almost like it's troll proof!!!

Regarding the IT...I think that nothing has changed in my understanding of it. Why people listen to trolls confuses the hell out of me...

EDIT - Seriously I am leaving now. For reals. See ya in a couple days!!! 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:27 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

TJBartlemus wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

So what, IT is dead and Bioware never intended it in the first place and there won't be and post-breath dlc like project x?
I'm losing faith here people, I need a boost in hope.

WNT is still alive and kicking.  No one has yet given a single thing that disproves it. It's almost like it's troll proof!!!

Regarding the IT...I think that nothing has changed in my understanding of it. Why people listen to trolls confuses the hell out of me...

I never listen to trolls, its just when it comes straight from Bioware themselves with no ambiguity at all and from three diffrent sorces is kind of discuraging. Of course they could be out right lying, but it's hard to JUST ignore everything they say.

[Hrothdane]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

So what, IT is dead and Bioware never intended it in the first place and there won't be and post-breath dlc like project x?
I'm losing faith here people, I need a boost in hope.

They say a lot of things unambiguously that end up being proven false later.

Chris denied a MP DLC that got leaked, and it turned out the leak was right a weak later.

They won't confirm or deny something big over twitter, regardless.


I can't blame anyone for being sick of it though. I personally care enough to get my hopes up, but not enough to be crushed if they are unfulfilled.

[desert_beagle]

I'm lost. A little help? What did I miss? Are my hopes and dreams smashed beneath the size 5 kids sneaker of a glowing Reaper apparition?

[Bill Casey]

I don't understand why IT is considered to be reliant on DLC...
Are people that averse to open endings?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[byne]

desert_beagle wrote...

I'm lost. A little help? What did I miss? Are my hopes and dreams smashed beneath the size 5 kids sneaker of a glowing Reaper apparition?

Jessica said something that would supposedly deny IT.

Now, I'm going to just ignore Jessica, as she the community manager, and not likely to be in the know about any future plans, especially if they want them kept secret. I like her, but she's not exactly reliable.

When asked about this, Gamble simple said "we've said countless times that me3 is the end of commander shepards story. Im not going to comment further."

So its the typical vague Gamble speak we're all used to, neither confirming or denying anything, yet people are freaking out about it.

[Hrothdane]

desert_beagle wrote...

I'm lost. A little help? What did I miss? Are my hopes and dreams smashed beneath the size 5 kids sneaker of a glowing Reaper apparition?

Spotlessvoid linked Mike Gamble some of Jessica Merizan's posts about how we weren't getting any more ending stuff and Mike just reiterated what he always says about how ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.

[AragonShadslayer]

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, I've been debating smudboy on his new vid on youtube. And it seems so awkward that someone so smart and intelligent is so ignorant of what IT actually states.
Here's the comments in Chronological order.

Me: "Although ME didn't have a storyline covering Shepard's indoctrination, it does however show Shepard being exposed to Reaper Indoctrination and showing symptoms of it throughout ME2 and ME3. Something which smudboy seems to not know.
Just look at this vid.
watch?v=4S3YW5cKrSQ"

smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."

Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."

smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."

Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."

smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."

Me: "Anyone with a powerful mental strength can resist indoctrination. Benezia was one of them before she realized she couldn't hold it back any longer and used her powers to make a "haven" in her mind free of indoctrination, which trapped her within her mind until she was injured. Point is, you can be exposed to indoctrination and still not be indoctrinated. Just like you can be exposed to smoking, but not develop cancer. This is what Shepard has been experiencing, which you seem to want to deny."

smudboy: "So? The only exception to not being indoctrinated was Shiala, due to the Thorian. Shepard was just as "indoctrinated" as any of his colleagues were.
Point is, you're indoctrinated, or you're not. You either have cancer, or you don't.
There is no evidence of Shepard experiencing the effects of indoctrination. He is exhibiting no symptoms that Benezia described, nor behaving like the Solarians on Virmire. Vendetta did not detect it.
You are deluded."

Me: "In-game evidence proves you wrong.
Shepard was exposed to a Reaper vision with a subliminal message, electromagnetic waves, and infrasonic noise in Arrival DLC.
He sees ghostly "presences", hears Reaper noise in the background, whispers of indoctrination, and infrasonic sound in all three Dreams.
He also shows symptoms, of betraying friends (Mordin, Wrex, Legion), trusting enemies (TIM inthe Catalyst convo.), and viewing the Reaper with superstitious awe (boy as Catalyst).
Read Indoc. codex"

Calling me delusional for having a different interpretation of ME3's ending is silly, biased, and closed-minded of him.

You forgot to mention the Rachni Queen and the "Oily Shadows" which we see in Shepard's dreams.

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

There is not a shred of ambiguity in Jessica's tweet, and given that context, I'm taking Mike's at face value..
Whatever their intention was, they've lost my attention. Good luck my friends

So Jessica, who doesnt actually know what Gamble is planning, said something, and Gamble didnt actually confirm it, but just said something we already knew, and you lose hope?

Ok I guess.

I'm just done with them. Nothing in game has ever proven IT wrong. I know. But either Jessica was wrong and Gamble is being coy, or Jessica was right and that was Mike's agreement but can't be bothered to say it simply. Whatever, I'm done waiting for a non community manager to say something clearly. I would love nothing more than to like a foll who gave up too soon....but I just....all good things must come to an end. For me personally, I just came to my end.


Nothing but love for all of you, but I'm done.