Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .
The "ghostly" presences is what I meant by Oily shadows in the dream. I wanted to use the words that was used in the Indoc codex. Oily shadows isn't mentioned in the Indoc codex, but it's clear that those oily shadows are "ghostly" presences.AragonShadslayer wrote...
FreddyCast wrote...
Hey guys, I've been debating smudboy on his new vid on youtube. And it seems so awkward that someone so smart and intelligent is so ignorant of what IT actually states.
Here's the comments in Chronological order.
Me: "Although ME didn't have a storyline covering Shepard's indoctrination, it does however show Shepard being exposed to Reaper Indoctrination and showing symptoms of it throughout ME2 and ME3. Something which smudboy seems to not know.
Just look at this vid.
watch?v=4S3YW5cKrSQ"
smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."
Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."
smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."
Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."
smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."
Me: "Anyone with a powerful mental strength can resist indoctrination. Benezia was one of them before she realized she couldn't hold it back any longer and used her powers to make a "haven" in her mind free of indoctrination, which trapped her within her mind until she was injured. Point is, you can be exposed to indoctrination and still not be indoctrinated. Just like you can be exposed to smoking, but not develop cancer. This is what Shepard has been experiencing, which you seem to want to deny."
smudboy: "So? The only exception to not being indoctrinated was Shiala, due to the Thorian. Shepard was just as "indoctrinated" as any of his colleagues were.
Point is, you're indoctrinated, or you're not. You either have cancer, or you don't.
There is no evidence of Shepard experiencing the effects of indoctrination. He is exhibiting no symptoms that Benezia described, nor behaving like the Solarians on Virmire. Vendetta did not detect it.
You are deluded."
Me: "In-game evidence proves you wrong.
Shepard was exposed to a Reaper vision with a subliminal message, electromagnetic waves, and infrasonic noise in Arrival DLC.
He sees ghostly "presences", hears Reaper noise in the background, whispers of indoctrination, and infrasonic sound in all three Dreams.
He also shows symptoms, of betraying friends (Mordin, Wrex, Legion), trusting enemies (TIM inthe Catalyst convo.), and viewing the Reaper with superstitious awe (boy as Catalyst).
Read Indoc. codex"
Calling me delusional for having a different interpretation of ME3's ending is silly, biased, and closed-minded of him.
You forgot to mention the Rachni Queen and the "Oily Shadows" which we see in Shepard's dreams.
Bill Casey wrote...
What if they want Shepard to pull a Revan and be a villain in a coinciding piece?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
What if they want it to be like Blade Runner, where it's one of the great unanswered questions that is debated until the end of time?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
Bill Casey wrote...
What if they want Shepard to pull a Revan and be a villain in a coinciding piece?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
What if they want it to be like Blade Runner, where it's one of the great unanswered questions that is debated until the end of time?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
Rifneno wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
What if they want Shepard to pull a Revan and be a villain in a coinciding piece?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
What if they want it to be like Blade Runner, where it's one of the great unanswered questions that is debated until the end of time?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
That's just stupid. Deckard's biology being speculative had a deeper moral point: you're supposed to ask yourself "if we can't figure it out, then maybe the two aren't so different?" There's no deeper meaning to intended IT without closure. It's just BW's writers trying to be deep and sucking like holy hell at it. More importantly, the fate of trillions of lives doesn't depend on Deckard's biology. Without post-breath scene content, the Reapers are never dealt with in IT. Some things can be ambiguous. Whether the galactic genocide monsters are stopped is NOT one of them. That is not negotiable.
I havent spent the time to read through the WNT. Ill read through your OP later on.TJBartlemus wrote...
OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
So what, IT is dead and Bioware never intended it in the first place and there won't be and post-breath dlc like project x?
I'm losing faith here people, I need a boost in hope.
WNT is still alive and kicking.No one has yet given a single thing that disproves it. It's almost like it's troll proof!!!
Regarding the IT...I think that nothing has changed in my understanding of it. Why people listen to trolls confuses the hell out of me...
EDIT - Seriously I am leaving now. For reals. See ya in a couple days!!!
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys. Been getting shotgunned by college classes. What have I been missing?
FFZero wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys. Been getting shotgunned by college classes. What have I been missing?
Trolls, drama and some speculations brought on by Leviathan. Oh and more drama.
But mostly drama and doubt spreading through the ranks.FFZero wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys. Been getting shotgunned by college classes. What have I been missing?
Trolls, drama and some speculations brought on by Leviathan. Oh and more drama.
OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
But mostly drama and doubt spreading through the ranks.FFZero wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys. Been getting shotgunned by college classes. What have I been missing?
Trolls, drama and some speculations brought on by Leviathan. Oh and more drama.
To be honest, I feel kinda guilty at not being here as much lately...
Arian Dynas wrote...
OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
But mostly drama and doubt spreading through the ranks.FFZero wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys. Been getting shotgunned by college classes. What have I been missing?
Trolls, drama and some speculations brought on by Leviathan. Oh and more drama.
Arian Dynas wrote...
OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
But mostly drama and doubt spreading through the ranks.FFZero wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys. Been getting shotgunned by college classes. What have I been missing?
Trolls, drama and some speculations brought on by Leviathan. Oh and more drama.
Modifié par FFZero, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:26 .
Arian Dynas wrote...
Ohai byne.
This is exactly how I feel and it's why I've not been around so much lately.spotlessvoid wrote...
byne wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
There is not a shred of ambiguity in Jessica's tweet, and given that context, I'm taking Mike's at face value..
Whatever their intention was, they've lost my attention. Good luck my friends
So Jessica, who doesnt actually know what Gamble is planning, said something, and Gamble didnt actually confirm it, but just said something we already knew, and you lose hope?
Ok I guess.
I'm just done with them. Nothing in game has ever proven IT wrong. I know. But either Jessica was wrong and Gamble is being coy, or Jessica was right and that was Mike's agreement but can't be bothered to say it simply. Whatever, I'm done waiting for a non community manager to say something clearly. I would love nothing more than to like a foll who gave up too soon....but I just....all good things must come to an end. For me personally, I just came to my end.
Nothing but love for all of you, but I'm done.
Home run MF wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
What if they want Shepard to pull a Revan and be a villain in a coinciding piece?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
What if they want it to be like Blade Runner, where it's one of the great unanswered questions that is debated until the end of time?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
I have news for you, Ridley already said something about that.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:33 .
It's implied that we will win...Rifneno wrote...
That's just stupid. Deckard's biology being speculative had a deeper moral point: you're supposed to ask yourself "if we can't figure it out, then maybe the two aren't so different?" There's no deeper meaning to intended IT without closure. It's just BW's writers trying to be deep and sucking like holy hell at it. More importantly, the fate of trillions of lives doesn't depend on Deckard's biology. Without post-breath scene content, the Reapers are never dealt with in IT. Some things can be ambiguous. Whether the galactic genocide monsters are stopped is NOT one of them. That is not negotiable.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:37 .
TSA_383 wrote...
This is exactly how I feel and it's why I've not been around so much lately.spotlessvoid wrote...
byne wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
There is not a shred of ambiguity in Jessica's tweet, and given that context, I'm taking Mike's at face value..
Whatever their intention was, they've lost my attention. Good luck my friends
So Jessica, who doesnt actually know what Gamble is planning, said something, and Gamble didnt actually confirm it, but just said something we already knew, and you lose hope?
Ok I guess.
I'm just done with them. Nothing in game has ever proven IT wrong. I know. But either Jessica was wrong and Gamble is being coy, or Jessica was right and that was Mike's agreement but can't be bothered to say it simply. Whatever, I'm done waiting for a non community manager to say something clearly. I would love nothing more than to like a foll who gave up too soon....but I just....all good things must come to an end. For me personally, I just came to my end.
Nothing but love for all of you, but I'm done.
Rifneno wrote...
It's just BW's writers trying to be deep and sucking like holy hell at it.
Rifneno wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
What if they want Shepard to pull a Revan and be a villain in a coinciding piece?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
What if they want it to be like Blade Runner, where it's one of the great unanswered questions that is debated until the end of time?
Ending DLC would **** that up...
That's just stupid. Deckard's biology being speculative had a deeper moral point: you're supposed to ask yourself "if we can't figure it out, then maybe the two aren't so different?" There's no deeper meaning to intended IT without closure. It's just BW's writers trying to be deep and sucking like holy hell at it. More importantly, the fate of trillions of lives doesn't depend on Deckard's biology. Without post-breath scene content, the Reapers are never dealt with in IT. Some things can be ambiguous. Whether the galactic genocide monsters are stopped is NOT one of them. That is not negotiable.
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