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[Bill Casey]

You are so completely wrong on this...

[spotlessvoid]

Let me clarify my position. I haven't stopped believing in indoctrination theory. I've stopped believing in Bioware being able/willing to deliver on it. Your community manager makes the must blatant statement to date and you can't even give a straight answer on whether her remarks are officially supported? Like I said, I'm done with how they're handling the whole thing at this point.

The only thing that made the endings not be the worst disaster in video game history me is the IT community. I truly wish nothing but great things for all of you but I'm just drained.


The EC slide show contradicts a literal its a trap ending. And ITdream leaves the Reapers unbeaten. So yes, IT requires dlc

[Arian Dynas]

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm pretty disgusted with all of this "DLC or Bust" nonsense...

Seconded.

IT won't happen all at once. It might not even be spelled out for us, but we already have our major victory. The ending will always be; "Was that all real? Or was there deeper meaning?"

And the team already has told us "Yes. There was deeper meaning. Yes, there was symbolism and metaphor. Yes, we did intentionally break the fourth wall, and directly touched our audience. Yes, you are feeling what we wanted you to feel about it."

IT has, simply, in a word, won.

We're reasonable doubt in a murder case. And that's all that you need for a plea of "not guilty."

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Let me clarify my position. I haven't stopped believing in indoctrination theory. I've stopped believing in Bioware being able/willing to deliver on it. Your community manager makes the must blatant statement to date and you can't even give a straight answer on whether her remarks are officially supported? Like I said, I'm done with how they're handling the whole thing at this point.

The only thing that made the endings not be the worst disaster in video game history me is the IT community. I truly wish nothing but great things for all of you but I'm just drained.


The EC slide show contradicts a literal its a trap ending. And ITdream leaves the Reapers unbeaten. So yes, IT requires dlc

IT does not require DLC.

Closure does.

IT is all about the ending we see. What happens after? That's something different entirely.

[spotlessvoid]

Okay, well I'm done waiting for closure I no longer believe is likely coming. That really drains the fun out of speculating. That leaves me with the friendships I've made here. Maybe that will bring me by. For now, I need to process things- I'm no good right now

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Okay, well I'm done waiting for closure I no longer believe is likely coming. That really drains the fun out of speculating. That leaves me with the friendships I've made here. Maybe that will bring me by. For now, I need to process things- I'm no good right now

*hug*

Do what I did. Make your own closure. It'll keep you tied-over until the real thing comes along.

Yes, it seems like it's self-delusion, but hey, people waiting for romance do it all the time.

Just always remember, it's a game. Games are supposed to be fun.

I can always love Mass Effect, and seeing as Bioware has yet to remove the hope from me, I can keep going on hoping. It's not a life or death thing anymore. It's a "life or mediocrity" thing now.

Mediocrity is not a mortal sin.

Besides, look at it this way; Ultima fans and Highlander lovers have it a hell of a lot worse than we do. ME3 was the greatest story I have ever seen in videogames up until the last 5 minutes, if you ascribe to reductionism, which, is quite simply, too weird and intentional for there to NOT be something up. Period.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

But if the IT is true then the reapers are unbeated and will require dlc to finally defeat the reapers. I don't see a way around it. If IT is proven true, that would be incredable, but the fact remains that the reapers are still there and Shepard is traped under rubble with no help in sight. Would they expect us to just THINK UP how Shepard got out and defeated the reapers? Thats just lazy if anything, and an insult the the fanbase.

[desert_beagle]

I just can't figure out for the life of me why they even made the breath scene. Then they left the thing in there with the EC release.

How can you say this is the end of Shepard's story if you are going to leave an easter egg that Shepard lives? How can you expect any rational person to take the destroy ending literally and believe that Shepard just wakes up in a pile of rubble on Earth?

The IT, while it does not give closure, is the only thing that can truly be utilized to make any sense of what happened at the end. If it is true, then the game and story are incomplete. If it is not then BW f***** up royally and they need to own up and admit it, fix it, or risk losing all of their fans, and become another Pandemic Studios.

[spotlessvoid]

Thanks Arian, you have been and will always be my favorite user on the bsn. That's what makes this hard. I want to keep speculating with all of you-you're much more interesting than my real friends- but I stopped having fun today.

[Arian Dynas]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

But if the IT is true then the reapers are unbeated and will require dlc to finally defeat the reapers. I don't see a way around it. If IT is proven true, that would be incredable, but the fact remains that the reapers are still there and Shepard is traped under rubble with no help in sight. Would they expect us to just THINK UP how Shepard got out and defeated the reapers? Thats just lazy if anything, and an insult the the fanbase.

If IT is true, then there's more story. So? WE WAIT FOR MORE OF THE ****ING STORY. We knew there is SOME kind of story coming along. There literally has to be. EA would be insane not to, and this we already KNOW is a franchise EA is pushing like a heroin dealer on a street corner.

And everyone, get off the "insult to the fanbase" ****, I am sick of seeing it for one. It's only an insult to the fanbase if they say "Ha ha, you guys suck, since you care about people who don't really exsist. **** you!"

It's a cliffhanger. So knock it off.

[TheConstantOne]

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm pretty disgusted with all of this "DLC or Bust" nonsense...

Same here.  I have a pretty good idea of what happens to my Shepard and how things went down after his mental battle with the Catalyst.  I am satisfied.

I even have a literlist choice ready to go should a ME 4 or post game content choose to endorse such a viewpoint.

IT has enough going for it for the theory to be valid.  Even if no grand reveal is ever handed to us, IT survives it still makes for a fantastic ending

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Thanks Arian, you have been and will always be my favorite user on the bsn. That's what makes this hard. I want to keep speculating with all of you-you're much more interesting than my real friends- but I stopped having fun today.

And you will.

But, just because you stopped having fun today, is a good case for going to bed.

I've stopped having fun several times, and when that happened, I did.

I realized a long time ago, one day is not everything in life. You will feel different today than you will tomorrow. You will BE a different person today than you will be tomorrow.

So, go to bed. Then come back, feel better, have fun, and remember, don't take things too seriously. If you do, you only make yourself unhappy. Take it from me, I know.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

But if the IT is true then the reapers are unbeated and will require dlc to finally defeat the reapers. I don't see a way around it. If IT is proven true, that would be incredable, but the fact remains that the reapers are still there and Shepard is traped under rubble with no help in sight. Would they expect us to just THINK UP how Shepard got out and defeated the reapers? Thats just lazy if anything, and an insult the the fanbase.

If IT is true, then there's more story. So? WE WAIT FOR MORE OF THE ****ING STORY. We knew there is SOME kind of story coming along. There literally has to be. EA would be insane not to, and this we already KNOW is a franchise EA is pushing like a heroin dealer on a street corner.

And everyone, get off the "insult to the fanbase" ****, I am sick of seeing it for one. It's only an insult to the fanbase if they say "Ha ha, you guys suck, since you care about people who don't really exsist. **** you!"

It's a cliffhanger. So knock it off.

O.O'
I did not mean to anger the great Arian.

[Arian Dynas]

In other words, this is my statement on the whole mess.

It's not the end of the world. And stop treating it like it is. Things look bad now, but there's always ALWAYS the future to consider.

Some of you might find that way of hoping for a better tomorrow to be a bit weird, but, well, look at it this way.

It's what kept me from killing myself a long time ago. And I say that with all honesty. I would not be here today, if I didn't think like that.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 05 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .

[Arian Dynas]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

But if the IT is true then the reapers are unbeated and will require dlc to finally defeat the reapers. I don't see a way around it. If IT is proven true, that would be incredable, but the fact remains that the reapers are still there and Shepard is traped under rubble with no help in sight. Would they expect us to just THINK UP how Shepard got out and defeated the reapers? Thats just lazy if anything, and an insult the the fanbase.

If IT is true, then there's more story. So? WE WAIT FOR MORE OF THE ****ING STORY. We knew there is SOME kind of story coming along. There literally has to be. EA would be insane not to, and this we already KNOW is a franchise EA is pushing like a heroin dealer on a street corner.

And everyone, get off the "insult to the fanbase" ****, I am sick of seeing it for one. It's only an insult to the fanbase if they say "Ha ha, you guys suck, since you care about people who don't really exsist. **** you!"

It's a cliffhanger. So knock it off.

O.O'
I did not mean to anger the great Arian.

I'm not angered.

I'm annoyed because I care about you. All of you, every single one. I want the people around me to be happy. When you're happy, so am I. When you are content, so am I.

BE HAPPY DAMN IT!

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

In other words, this is my statement on the whole mess.

It's not the end of the world. And stop treating it like it is. Things look bad now, but there's always ALWAYS the future to consider.

Some of you might find that weird way of hoping for a better tomorrow to be a bit weird, but, well, look at it this way.

It's what kept me from killing myself a long time ago. And I say that with all honesty. I would not be here today, if I didn't think like that.

Things dont even look that bad now.

They look like they have for months.

People are overreacting, if you ask me.

Also, Arian, if you werent here, this thread would be a much sadder place. You're awesome.

[Lokanaiya]

FreddyCast wrote...

smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."

Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."

smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."

Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."

smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."

I know this is a couple of hours old, but I'd just like to point out that what the Prothean VIs probably mean by "indoctrinated" is "has reaper tech implants," since if you have those you are definitely indoctrinated, but they aren't mandatory for being indoctrinated. The only people we know the VIs called indoctrinated were Saren, Kai Leng, and TIM, all of whom have reaper implants. This also explains how the Protheans and their Crucible project were sabotaged from within, even with their super VIs (The sleeper agents just didn't have Reaper tech implants) and the plothole of how the VIs can apparently detect small, otherwise unnoticable changes in the nervous systems of the "primitive" races of this cycle which the Vigil had never encountered before and Vendetta had only encountered asari, not humans, (The 30 seconds Shepard got to talk to him before Kai Leng came wouldn't be enough) while they couldn't detect the changes in the race that made them.

Guess what, guys? The Prothean VIs don't practice in the dark arts of  Space Magic to detect indoctrination. Sorry.


Also, hi Arian!

[Bill Casey]

"If IT is true, there's more coming" is a fallacy...
Stop it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

I wasn't sad to begin with, I was just losing hope. Having three diffrence sources from Bioware say the same thing without a hint of a double meaning that there will not be any post-breath dlc is a little discuraging. I normally ignore comments like that from Bioware, but it's hard to ignore everything they say.

[spotlessvoid]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm pretty disgusted with all of this "DLC or Bust" nonsense...

Same here.  I have a pretty good idea of what happens to my Shepard and how things went down after his mental battle with the Catalyst.  I am satisfied.

I even have a literlist choice ready to go should a ME 4 or post game content choose to endorse such a viewpoint.

IT has enough going for it for the theory to be valid.  Even if no grand reveal is ever handed to us, IT survives it still makes for a fantastic ending

I didn't spend this much time and money to head canon the single most important part of the game. 

Anyways, I dont wish to burden tou guys with my negativity so I'm going to leave

[OneWithTheAssassins]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

In other words, this is my statement on the whole mess.

It's not the end of the world. And stop treating it like it is. Things look bad now, but there's always ALWAYS the future to consider.

Some of you might find that weird way of hoping for a better tomorrow to be a bit weird, but, well, look at it this way.

It's what kept me from killing myself a long time ago. And I say that with all honesty. I would not be here today, if I didn't think like that.

Things dont even look that bad now.

They look like they have for months.

People are overreacting, if you ask me.

Also, Arian, if you werent here, this thread would be a much sadder place. You're awesome.

That is the influence you posses, only now do we truly feel alive again.

[Arian Dynas]

Lokanaiya wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

smodboy: "Shepard, and others, are exposed to various Reaper artifacts in ME2 and ME3. However, Vendetta is very clear: no one in the party is indoctrinated. Shepard and co. are not showing any symptoms."

Me: "IT states that Shepard has been exposed to the indoctrination process, being attacked with indoctrination attempts on his mind, NOT that he is already indoctrinated. He only becomes indoctrinated if he chooses Control/Synthesis. It's unbelievable how many Non-ITers make this mistake."

smudboy: "Speculation, followed by nonsense. It is more unbelievable how gullible, or to guess what fantasy world you live in."

Me: "Part 2 And Vendetta can only detect those who have already been indoctrinated, not those who have been exposed to the indoctrination process. This is why Vendetta and the other Prothean VIs did not detect that the Prothean splinter group (which wanted to control the Reapers instead of destroy them) were indoctrinated until it was too late. Again IT states that Shep has been exposed to the Indoctrination process, NOT that he's already indoctrinated. Check my vid and you'll see what I say is true."

smudboy: "No. Shepard either is or isn't indoctrinated. Same with Benezia, Shiala, and the Salarians on Virmire. You either are pregnant or not; not "sort of" pregnant. ME1 is very clear on this. IT is an interpretative pile, so I have no interest in wasting time on a delusion."

I know this is a couple of hours old, but I'd just like to point out that what the Prothean VIs probably mean by "indoctrinated" is "has reaper tech implants," since if you have those you are definitely indoctrinated, but they aren't mandatory for being indoctrinated. The only people we know the VIs called indoctrinated were Saren, Kai Leng, and TIM, all of whom have reaper implants. This also explains how the Protheans and their Crucible project were sabotaged from within, even with their super VIs (The sleeper agents just didn't have Reaper tech implants) and the plothole of how the VIs can apparently detect small, otherwise unnoticable changes in the nervous systems of the "primitive" races of this cycle which the Vigil had never encountered before and Vendetta had only encountered asari, not humans, (The 30 seconds Shepard got to talk to him before Kai Leng came wouldn't be enough) while they couldn't detect the changes in the race that made them.

Guess what, guys? The Prothean VIs don't practice in the dark arts of  Space Magic to detect indoctrination. Sorry.


Also, hi Arian!

These are simple minded people.

They've forgotten that there is such a thing as an enemy who is disengenous and lies,

they've forgotten that there is such a thing as infallible technology and unreliable literary agents.

The fact alone that the Protheans were brought down from inside by INDOCTRINATED AGENTS should put that entire stupid argument to bed. Seriously, this kind of thinking is idiotic.

Also, hi 
Lokanaiya!

[Bill Casey]

WHERE THE ****'S GODOT?!!!??!!
THIS IS BULL****!!??!!

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

In other words, this is my statement on the whole mess.

It's not the end of the world. And stop treating it like it is. Things look bad now, but there's always ALWAYS the future to consider.

Some of you might find that weird way of hoping for a better tomorrow to be a bit weird, but, well, look at it this way.

It's what kept me from killing myself a long time ago. And I say that with all honesty. I would not be here today, if I didn't think like that.

Things dont even look that bad now.

They look like they have for months.

People are overreacting, if you ask me.

Also, Arian, if you werent here, this thread would be a much sadder place. You're awesome.

Agreed. We see this every time. People pin their hopes on the soon, the immediate, the soon to come. Stop doing that, you'll only be disappointed in the short term, wait for the long run. IT won't be revealed in a month, or two months. It'll be drug out as long as it can. Ideally until ME4 comes out, as a way of hyping us up. Save your disappointment for later, if things go pear-shaped.

Also

*hug* thanks 

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Bill Casey wrote...

WHERE THE ****'S GODOT?!!!??!!
THIS IS BULL****!!??!!

What are you going on about?