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[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Since the thread is moving slower than it should be, I might as well post this link to make it move even slower.
http://www.nokia.com/webcast

What could nokia say that I could possibly want to hear?

2 words + a number - Windows Phone 8.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Ace7]

 So, that Leviathan eh? What a guy. I say's to him, I say's..." 'sup with yer indoctrination?" And he say's......."It's a load of balls".  



I sincerly apologise.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Since the thread is moving slower than it should be, I might as well post this link to make it move even slower.
http://www.nokia.com/webcast

What could nokia say that I could possibly want to hear?

2 words + a number - Windows Phone 8.

I can think of so many combinations of two words and a number that are more interesting then that.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Since the thread is moving slower than it should be, I might as well post this link to make it move even slower.
http://www.nokia.com/webcast

What could nokia say that I could possibly want to hear?

2 words + a number - Windows Phone 8.

I can think of so many combinations of two words and a number that are more interesting then that.

Yeah, but from what I learned during the last event in June WP8 is going to be awesome. I might even buy one.

The webcast today is focused on consumers so it should be cool.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

It wasn't even sarcasm. It's true under literal interpretation. Also "We simply are" was a quote from Sovvy.

So the Reapers are a tool for the AI and the AI was a tool for Leviathans. By extension, Leviathans are the enemy because they aren't a tool?

The quote from Sovereign seemed appropriate there.

So silly, Leviathans are victims of their own wish to help organics abide. See, if it weren't for organics none of this would've been neccessary. Therefore, the very starting point are we organics. we are the enemy.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

It wasn't even sarcasm. It's true under literal interpretation. Also "We simply are" was a quote from Sovvy.

So the Reapers are a tool for the AI and the AI was a tool for Leviathans. By extension, Leviathans are the enemy because they aren't a tool?

The quote from Sovereign seemed appropriate there.

So silly, Leviathans are victims of their own wish to help organics abide. See, if it weren't for organics none of this would've been neccessary. Therefore, the very starting point are we organics. we are the enemy.

I'll only be convinced of this when I hear it in "Yo dawg" form.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

It wasn't even sarcasm. It's true under literal interpretation. Also "We simply are" was a quote from Sovvy.

So the Reapers are a tool for the AI and the AI was a tool for Leviathans. By extension, Leviathans are the enemy because they aren't a tool?

The quote from Sovereign seemed appropriate there.

So silly, Leviathans are victims of their own wish to help organics abide. See, if it weren't for organics none of this would've been neccessary. Therefore, the very starting point are we organics. we are the enemy.

Of course! We should annihilate ourselves at once. The Reapers are doing us a favor.  jk

[Arashi08]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Indoctrination itself - is true enemy, and the A.I. leviathans created.

Please, Indoctrination is not an enemy. It cannot be. It's a tool like science and technology. They simply are.

So there basically is no real enemy anymore in ME3?

...da hell?

There is. The Reapers.

Please, reapers are not an enemy. They cannot be. They're a tool like science and technology.  They simply are.

I see what you did there.

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

[Ace7]

 Anybody think anymore about the fabled additional clues that Billy Buskell was referring to recently? or was he just referring to upcoming DLC? It would be fantastic if there were hidden clues within the DLC which lead us to new (or existing) evidence integrated into the rest of the single player. (integrated upon installation of the DLC of course).

Like new characters and conversations on the citadel etc. Maybe it would require a carefull re-play through the enture game?

[demersel]

It's like in the inception movie - what is the most dangereous and persistent virus? An Idea.
It is impossible to get rid of once it has settled in..
Now, imagine. that this idea, has an agenda, and a mind of its' own - now that is a really scare concept.
In it you don't only have to battle an infinit army of giant allpowerfull robotic killer shrimps, but you also have to battle yourself, your friends, your loved ones and everyone you are fighting for in the firts place.


And yes, I am aware of simons "selfish meme" theory. Am also familiar with Richard Dawkins's book "Selfish Gene" and a few others. And i don't claim that it is MY THEORY ALL HAIL ME!!!, no. I just showed how it could be deduced based on the info that was presented in the leviathan alone.
And how leviathan add further supporting evidence to that in addition to those that were already present in ME1, ME2 and ME3. Also how the blurry point in leviathan's story could be filled using it.

[Rifneno]

Arashi08 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Indoctrination itself - is true enemy, and the A.I. leviathans created.

Please, Indoctrination is not an enemy. It cannot be. It's a tool like science and technology. They simply are.

So there basically is no real enemy anymore in ME3?

...da hell?

There is. The Reapers.

Please, reapers are not an enemy. They cannot be. They're a tool like science and technology.  They simply are.

I see what you did there.

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Speculation is the real enemy.  The Reapers have never pissed me off like this waiting has.

[RavenEyry]

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Well racism and intolerance was the main 'villain' of DA2, but I thought it actually worked there.

[demersel]

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Yes. arrogance is the core essence of indoctrination. It was born out of arrogance in the firts place. 

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Well racism and intolerance was the main 'villain' of DA2, but I thought it actually worked there.

I'm pretty sure David Gaider was the main villain of DA2.

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...

 Anybody think anymore about the fabled additional clues that Billy Buskell was referring to recently? or was he just referring to upcoming DLC? It would be fantastic if there were hidden clues within the DLC which lead us to new (or existing) evidence integrated into the rest of the single player. (integrated upon installation of the DLC of course).

Like new characters and conversations on the citadel etc. Maybe it would require a carefull re-play through the enture game?

there are plently of clues - red flowers, rachni being influenced by the leviathans, a possible connection between the leviathans and eezo.  
At least it is strongly implied that levithans were not in fact that passive, and that they DID take active role in the galactic events, and that they do have their own agenda, as opposed to the notion that they were just hiding in some dark hole, crying about their former glory and their downfall and doing nothing about it. 

[demersel]

Leviathan DLC started to give us hints that reapers are not the only force meddling with events in the galaxy.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Well racism and intolerance was the main 'villain' of DA2, but I thought it actually worked there.

I'm pretty sure David Gaider was the main villain of DA2.

Yes, I'm aware a lot of people didn't like that gme as much as me.

[pseudonymic]

demersel wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Yes. arrogance is the core essence of indoctrination. It was born out of arrogance in the firts place. 

but it remains nonsensical why the leviathan didn't wipe out the reapers immediately upon their turning and why they didn't destroy the AI. following their own presented timeline, if the intelligence turned and went to create harbinger, that was one reaper against the remaining 3 leviathans. seeing as how they took down the reaper like it was nothing and how they claim that "your civilization can be wiped with a single thought", it's silly to accept that they allowed for the expansion of the reapers without any interest attached.

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Well racism and intolerance was the main 'villain' of DA2, but I thought it actually worked there.

I'm pretty sure David Gaider was the main villain of DA2.

Yes, I'm aware a lot of people didn't like that gme as much as me.

  I've heard of not hating it as much, but... liking it?!  ...  To each their own I guess.

One thing I'll say for the DA team, they've also managed an excellent job of making real world people side with the evil scum's point of view.  There's still a mindboggling amount of Chantry supporters, and there's an even more mindboggling amount of qunari supporters.  I suppose I can understand the Chantry ones that are confusing a genocidal fictional religion with their real life one based on a few passing similarities, but the qunari ones truly baffle me.

[estebanus]

Hey guys. What's up?

[demersel]

pseudonymic wrote...

demersel wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

then maybe the only TRUE enemy in Mass Effect is the preconceived notion that a single person, or group of people, think they know what is best for the entire galaxy.  Perhaps arrogance is the true enemy.  afterl all arrogance is what allowed the Reapers to come into existence.

Yes. arrogance is the core essence of indoctrination. It was born out of arrogance in the firts place. 

but it remains nonsensical why the leviathan didn't wipe out the reapers immediately upon their turning and why they didn't destroy the AI. following their own presented timeline, if the intelligence turned and went to create harbinger, that was one reaper against the remaining 3 leviathans. seeing as how they took down the reaper like it was nothing and how they claim that "your civilization can be wiped with a single thought", it's silly to accept that they allowed for the expansion of the reapers without any interest attached.

It's quite easy actually. They didn't count on themselves being affected. 

Two possibilities:

1 - indoctrination affected all of the lesser species without leviathans realising it, and instead of obeing them they deatroyd them.

2 - leviathans didn't coount on themselves being affectd by indoctrination - and indoctrinated leviathans turned themselves and other leviathans into harbinger. 

Might be a combination of those two. 

also leviathnas might have peeriods of hibernation in their life cycle (like they go to sleep, wake up 10 millions years later, and it's just like sleeping eight hours for a human, or they can be like bears - sleeping all winter. )  - and while they do - they are halpless and vulnerable. 


Who knows. ))))

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

Hey guys. What's up?

Nothing much.  Last thing people were, err, debating about was whether you can have IT being true without there ever being anymore content to explain what happens after the breath scene.

[pseudonymic]

demersel wrote...

It's quite easy actually. They didn't count on themselves being affected. 

Two possibilities:

1 - indoctrination affected all of the lesser species without leviathans realising it, and instead of obeing them they deatroyd them.

2 - leviathans didn't coount on themselves being affectd by indoctrination - and indoctrinated leviathans turned themselves and other leviathans into harbinger. 

Might be a combination of those two. 

also leviathnas might have peeriods of hibernation in their life cycle (like they go to sleep, wake up 10 millions years later, and it's just like sleeping eight hours for a human, or they can be like bears - sleeping all winter. )  - and while they do - they are halpless and vulnerable. 


Who knows. ))))

perhaps, but i find it odd and startling how concentrated on "the harvest" the mindset of leviathan was. almost like the existence of the reapers and what they do actually benefits them somehow. unless we're supposed to assume the leviathan are just arrogant who like to watch their creation indoctrinate the universe and feel proud they were the reason these machines exist. which falls back on.... flawed writing, to me.

[demersel]

Perhaps they refer to harvest as something that as natural to reapers as is breathing to us. And thhat is what they mean by "there is no war, there is only harvest". And they seemingly do nothing about it because they view reapers as unbeatable, since they leviathans, the masters of the universe were unable to stop their spread.

(and also they really are very involved in galactic affairs, and are always plotting)

[Rifneno]

If it wasn't for the fact that this all started with a dead Reaper capital ship, I'd be very suspicious that Shepard didn't just accidentally stumble onto the Reaper's hidden masters.