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Here's something I haven't seen talked about: anyone know why the turian cinematic is only shown in the synthesis ending and the asari are shown in the other two endings?  I thought the asari seemed like the more "synthesis favoring race" seeing as they are typically a voice of unity and can mate with any intelligent life form

This is very weird IMO. I'm pretty sure the asari and turian cutscenes are mutually exclusive. Why?


Yeah, they don't play together and I haven't been able to think of a good reason for it from an IT point of view.  The only thing I've been able to come up with so far is that the turian augmentations show up much more prominently than the asari augmentations.  So the developers wanted to show a much clearer effect of synthesis than would be demonstrated by showing the asari.

That's the best I've got so far

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It's really telling in the first scene of ME3 it transition blurs in... no halo but all during Earth I keep hearing annoying buzzing and I keep seeing Halos.....

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more halos and buzzing

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my eyes

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and the sounds... my otter ears...

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the sound of the starchild backing up through the vent is similar to the knocking sound Shepard's gun makes in destroy when it first transitions to predator and than knocking sounds... and there's this buzzing sound as Shepard holds the door open for Anderson and goes to checkout starkid in the vent.

It's clear that all the reapers are tag teaming indoctrinating Shepard.

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TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Here's something I haven't seen talked about: anyone know why the turian cinematic is only shown in the synthesis ending and the asari are shown in the other two endings?  I thought the asari seemed like the more "synthesis favoring race" seeing as they are typically a voice of unity and can mate with any intelligent life form

This is very weird IMO. I'm pretty sure the asari and turian cutscenes are mutually exclusive. Why?


Yeah, they don't play together and I haven't been able to think of a good reason for it from an IT point of view.  The only thing I've been able to come up with so far is that the turian augmentations show up much more prominently than the asari augmentations.  So the developers wanted to show a much clearer effect of synthesis than would be demonstrated by showing the asari.

That's the best I've got so far


The asari have weak Genetic material, and I think when synthesis was picked they died. And so do the Rachni because they are a synthesis race.

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I was also very confused by 'control' being the blue option, as if that was somehow paragon. Because saving the Collector Base (and thus the Human Reaper) was the renegade dialogue option, whereas destroy was the paragon dialogue option). So I was talking to him about how I felt the colours were reversed for some odd reason.
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To comment on on the color scheme, it was supposedly mentioned by the developers that they wanted to pull a matrix like feel here. In the matrix movie.  The blue pill meant you stayed asleep and the red pill woke you up.  The green pill just confuses Neo by waking him up ...without waking him up :blush:

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masster blaster wrote...

The asari have weak Genetic material, and I think when synthesis was picked they died. And so do the Rachni because they are a synthesis race.


The hell are you talking about?

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smokingotter1 wrote...

It's really telling in the first scene of ME3 it transition blurs in... no halo but all during Earth I keep hearing annoying buzzing and I keep seeing Halos.....

Posted Image

more halos and buzzing

Posted Image

my eyes

Posted Image

and the sounds... my otter ears...

Posted Image

the sound of the starchild backing up through the vent is similar to the knocking sound Shepard's gun makes in destroy when it first transitions to predator and than knocking sounds... and there's this buzzing sound as Shepard holds the door open for Anderson and goes to checkout starkid in the vent.

It's clear that all the reapers are tag teaming indoctrinating Shepard.



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.

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byne wrote...

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The asari have weak Genetic material, and I think when synthesis was picked they died. And so do the Rachni because they are a synthesis race.


The hell are you talking about?


I always that they were because to me it looks like the Reapers created teh rachni, and the keepers.

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masster blaster wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Here's something I haven't seen talked about: anyone know why the turian cinematic is only shown in the synthesis ending and the asari are shown in the other two endings?  I thought the asari seemed like the more "synthesis favoring race" seeing as they are typically a voice of unity and can mate with any intelligent life form

This is very weird IMO. I'm pretty sure the asari and turian cutscenes are mutually exclusive. Why?


Yeah, they don't play together and I haven't been able to think of a good reason for it from an IT point of view.  The only thing I've been able to come up with so far is that the turian augmentations show up much more prominently than the asari augmentations.  So the developers wanted to show a much clearer effect of synthesis than would be demonstrated by showing the asari.

That's the best I've got so far


The asari have weak Genetic material, and I think when synthesis was picked they died. And so do the Rachni because they are a synthesis race.


You know, the weak genetic material might be something telling about what the Crucible would actually be doing at this point in time. But a potential problem with this: if the scenes are in Shepard's mind, would he bother to think about an asari's genetic material? Or would the Reapers be planting that suggestion in him for some reason?

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TheConstantOne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Here's something I haven't seen talked about: anyone know why the turian cinematic is only shown in the synthesis ending and the asari are shown in the other two endings?  I thought the asari seemed like the more "synthesis favoring race" seeing as they are typically a voice of unity and can mate with any intelligent life form

This is very weird IMO. I'm pretty sure the asari and turian cutscenes are mutually exclusive. Why?


Yeah, they don't play together and I haven't been able to think of a good reason for it from an IT point of view.  The only thing I've been able to come up with so far is that the turian augmentations show up much more prominently than the asari augmentations.  So the developers wanted to show a much clearer effect of synthesis than would be demonstrated by showing the asari.

That's the best I've got so far


The asari have weak Genetic material, and I think when synthesis was picked they died. And so do the Rachni because they are a synthesis race.


You know, the weak genetic material might be something telling about what the Crucible would actually be doing at this point in time. But a potential problem with this: if the scenes are in Shepard's mind, would he bother to think about an asari's genetic material? Or would the Reapers be planting that suggestion in him for some reason?


I find it also funny that the Krogan are the mostly the ones showen in all the endings, unless you killed them off.

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masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snip*



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.


masster blaster you're genius! Your comment made me notice another thing.... you guys really need to watch the beginning one more time.

Rewatch the scene where Anderson saves Shepard from falling. As they are walking towards that edge you get this pulsating white halo. Of course you hearing buzzing right before Shepard "accidently" almost falls.

Here's the thing I didn't notice: start/stop (poor man's version of slow mo for youtube) you'll notice that the shake doesn't even move Anderson, but almost kills Shepard, why? It seems like Shepard lost his balance on purpose. I mean shouldn't it have shook up Anderson as well?

edit: I meant your comment about "pushing"

Modifié par smokingotter1, 02 août 2012 - 02:31 .


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masster blaster wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Here's something I haven't seen talked about: anyone know why the turian cinematic is only shown in the synthesis ending and the asari are shown in the other two endings?  I thought the asari seemed like the more "synthesis favoring race" seeing as they are typically a voice of unity and can mate with any intelligent life form

This is very weird IMO. I'm pretty sure the asari and turian cutscenes are mutually exclusive. Why?


Yeah, they don't play together and I haven't been able to think of a good reason for it from an IT point of view.  The only thing I've been able to come up with so far is that the turian augmentations show up much more prominently than the asari augmentations.  So the developers wanted to show a much clearer effect of synthesis than would be demonstrated by showing the asari.

That's the best I've got so far


The asari have weak Genetic material, and I think when synthesis was picked they died. And so do the Rachni because they are a synthesis race.


You know, the weak genetic material might be something telling about what the Crucible would actually be doing at this point in time. But a potential problem with this: if the scenes are in Shepard's mind, would he bother to think about an asari's genetic material? Or would the Reapers be planting that suggestion in him for some reason?


I find it also funny that the Krogan are the mostly the ones showen in all the endings, unless you killed them off.


I think they showed up in mine even when I had my Shepard practically doom them...that moment was the worst a video game has ever made me feel

Edit: The moment I referenced was sabotaging the genophage cure...the way I typed that wasn't really clear

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 02 août 2012 - 02:43 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

It's funny how the beginning of ME3 compliments the end of ME3.

Look familiar?
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In the beginning the second time you are hit with a reaper beam... notice the white halo and Shepard's posture

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Also in the court room once the reapers show up there is a really audible buzzing sound that starts and stops...  it's really freaking annoying if you turn your speakers up... argh.






Hey, is it just me, or do the angled walls in the first pictrue look a LOT like the Control and Destroy sections of the choice chamber?... Posted Image

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smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snip*



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.


masster blaster you're genius! Your comment made me notice another thing.... you guys really need to watch the beginning one more time.

Rewatch the scene where Anderson saves Shepard from falling. As they are walking towards that edge you get this pulsating white halo. Of course you hearing buzzing right before Shepard "accidently" almost falls.

Here's the thing I didn't notice: start/stop (poor man's version of slow mo for youtube) you'll notice that the shake doesn't even move Anderson, but almost kills Shepard, why? It seems like Shepard lost his balance on purpose. I mean shouldn't it have shook up Anderson as well?

edit: I meant your comment about "pushing"


Heh, the guy doing the let's play said that the kid scene was creepy.

Also, I didn't see the white halo, but that might just be me not looking closely enough.

Modifié par Dwailing, 02 août 2012 - 02:34 .


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Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snip*



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.


masster blaster you're genius! Your comment made me notice another thing.... you guys really need to watch the beginning one more time.

Rewatch the scene where Anderson saves Shepard from falling. As they are walking towards that edge you get this pulsating white halo. Of course you hearing buzzing right before Shepard "accidently" almost falls.

Here's the thing I didn't notice: start/stop (poor man's version of slow mo for youtube) you'll notice that the shake doesn't even move Anderson, but almost kills Shepard, why? It seems like Shepard lost his balance on purpose. I mean shouldn't it have shook up Anderson as well?

edit: I meant your comment about "pushing"


Heh, the guy doing the let's play said that the kid scene was creepy.

Also, I didn't see the white halo, but that might just be me not looking closely enough.


It's not exactly white halo but you gotta look closer-er all throughout Earth starting and stopping, but especially during key scenes you see the dark circle outline. Look at the top and bottom left corners:

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Notice the circular effect it makes. You see these darkened corners are the same shape as the obvious white halo moments = reaper influence.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snip*



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.


masster blaster you're genius! Your comment made me notice another thing.... you guys really need to watch the beginning one more time.

Rewatch the scene where Anderson saves Shepard from falling. As they are walking towards that edge you get this pulsating white halo. Of course you hearing buzzing right before Shepard "accidently" almost falls.

Here's the thing I didn't notice: start/stop (poor man's version of slow mo for youtube) you'll notice that the shake doesn't even move Anderson, but almost kills Shepard, why? It seems like Shepard lost his balance on purpose. I mean shouldn't it have shook up Anderson as well?

edit: I meant your comment about "pushing"


Heh, the guy doing the let's play said that the kid scene was creepy.

Also, I didn't see the white halo, but that might just be me not looking closely enough.


It's not exactly white halo but you gotta look closer-er all throughout Earth starting and stopping, but especially during key scenes you see the dark circle outline. Look at the top and bottom left corners:

Posted Image

Notice the circular effect it makes. You see these darkened corners are the same shape as the obvious white halo moments = reaper influence.


Is this pre ec, or EC because I didn't see them, until now. Weird. Maybe there are more in the Sp than we realize.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snip*



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.


masster blaster you're genius! Your comment made me notice another thing.... you guys really need to watch the beginning one more time.

Rewatch the scene where Anderson saves Shepard from falling. As they are walking towards that edge you get this pulsating white halo. Of course you hearing buzzing right before Shepard "accidently" almost falls.

Here's the thing I didn't notice: start/stop (poor man's version of slow mo for youtube) you'll notice that the shake doesn't even move Anderson, but almost kills Shepard, why? It seems like Shepard lost his balance on purpose. I mean shouldn't it have shook up Anderson as well?

edit: I meant your comment about "pushing"


Heh, the guy doing the let's play said that the kid scene was creepy.

Also, I didn't see the white halo, but that might just be me not looking closely enough.


It's not exactly white halo but you gotta look closer-er all throughout Earth starting and stopping, but especially during key scenes you see the dark circle outline. Look at the top and bottom left corners:

Posted Image

Notice the circular effect it makes. You see these darkened corners are the same shape as the obvious white halo moments = reaper influence.


Uh, I should point out that those black edges are ALWAYS there.  However, if you could show inarguably that they intensify at certain points, then I'd say that you're on to something.

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Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

*snip*



And Harbinger was the final key into pushing Shepard over the tip of the spear.


masster blaster you're genius! Your comment made me notice another thing.... you guys really need to watch the beginning one more time.

Rewatch the scene where Anderson saves Shepard from falling. As they are walking towards that edge you get this pulsating white halo. Of course you hearing buzzing right before Shepard "accidently" almost falls.

Here's the thing I didn't notice: start/stop (poor man's version of slow mo for youtube) you'll notice that the shake doesn't even move Anderson, but almost kills Shepard, why? It seems like Shepard lost his balance on purpose. I mean shouldn't it have shook up Anderson as well?

edit: I meant your comment about "pushing"


Heh, the guy doing the let's play said that the kid scene was creepy.

Also, I didn't see the white halo, but that might just be me not looking closely enough.


It's not exactly white halo but you gotta look closer-er all throughout Earth starting and stopping, but especially during key scenes you see the dark circle outline. Look at the top and bottom left corners:

Posted Image

Notice the circular effect it makes. You see these darkened corners are the same shape as the obvious white halo moments = reaper influence.


Uh, I should point out that those black edges are ALWAYS there.  However, if you could show inarguably that they intensify at certain points, then I'd say that you're on to something.


Earth is a tough one due to cloudy lighting... I'm thinking I need to check out later missions where Shepard is more and more fighting indoctrination.... somewhere with better lighting and lots of reapers.... Illium. I'll have to see if I have time tonight.

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Damn the youtube ads really get annoying when I'm trying to rapidly click from Mass Effect vid to Mass Effect vid

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Damn the youtube ads really get annoying when I'm trying to rapidly click from Mass Effect vid to Mass Effect vid


No adblock plus?

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byne wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Damn the youtube ads really get annoying when I'm trying to rapidly click from Mass Effect vid to Mass Effect vid


No adblock plus?


Does that work on youtube ad videos?

Edit: It does, thank you :happy:

Modifié par smokingotter1, 02 août 2012 - 03:08 .


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Just posting something someone 
Dwailing  else noticed.

These are pretty similar...intentional?
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Beginning.
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End.


Edit: Credit

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#1947
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Alright all, hitting the sack, happy speculating

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okay there is a thread that is saying that Dalatrass was working for Cerberus.

I will proved the link right now.

http://social.biowar.../index/13462878

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Alright all, hitting the sack, happy speculating



That sounds like a good idea, too.  I'll see you all later.  I can't WAIT for tomorrow's press conference.  I'll bet you they're going to announce that Leviathan is coming out this coming Tuesday.

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SO I will be the only one on this thread. Nice.