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[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...
*snip*
Oh... and why did all this happen? ... Because Liara picked control, that's why!

Oh, that's nice.

But seriously, Glyph as a double agent? Maybe in a Mass Effect Mel Brooks version, but here...no.

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
*snip*
Oh... and why did all this happen? ... Because Liara picked control, that's why!

Oh, that's nice.

But seriously, Glyph as a double agent? Maybe in a Mass Effect Mel Brooks version, but here...no.

The literalist thread where we dismiss stuff with a simple "no" is down the hall and to the left.

[demersel]

I woke up with this thought - the whole point of story of ME3 - is to show you that reapers are a problem. They are real. Theay are already here. They can not be bought, bargained, negotiated with, controlled, and what is the most impostant - there can be no simple solution ot them. There can be no easy solution, like a condition on what the reapers will make peace with you, or a signal that will give you control over them all, no off switch. And even if there were - they are not the whole problem.
The whole point of ME3 to drive this message home - you have to get rid of the reapers and it will be hard and bloody and it won't be done by a wave of a hand.
And if somehow the whole game telling you exactly that straight to your face did not manage to convince you - you might as well heve your fake "push A.B.C. button to choose the colour of font for "you win" message.

[Rosewind]

Well I just finally got around to playing(lol GW2 took me away) the DLC and I am still confused........

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Glyph is the real shodow broker. And works for the reapers. He planted the crucible plans. He is the traitor on the normandy (through liara).
For all we know - he is the A.I. the leviathans created )))

He is white - the only other time this colour is used in ME universe for something holograohic or virtual - is GLYPH and the Catalyst.
CLYPH has the capacity to assume any form. - he can be set to look like anything.
The dreams start as soon as liara get's on board. (Presumably with GLYPH)
Annd the fact that he says everything as if he's mockking you. (Listen to the first things he say - and then overall)

Agreed. I also want to add that Glyph is likely the reason we found those Crucible plans. Go back to ME2 and talk to Liara on the SB ship. When she's only starting to get settled in, she already says the old SB was looking into the Protheans. He thought there was something else to find. Some way to survive. Since her info pretty much all comes from Glyph, obviously it told her this. And that's what lead to her finding the plans on Mars.

I've even heard it suggested that Glyph purposely got the old SB killed so he could get a new meatpuppet to manipulate into getting the Crucible.

Oh... and why did all this happen? ... Because Liara picked control, that's why!

This whole Glyph-theory is.... far fetched, to say the least.
Answer me one thing. If Glyph is the AI, has been made by the AI or somehow is working for the Reapers, how does this fit with the Refusal Ending?
After we refuse one of Liara's time capsules is shown and the provided information helps the next cycle to beat the reapers. But Glyph was installed on the time capsules... If Glyph worked for the reapers, it would have impeded access to the data Liara was trying to send to the next cycle. It would've just deleted it or whatever. So this contradicts to the whole "GLYPH IS EVIL" theory.

I am not saying that there is no possibility or not a high chance that the Crucible is a trap (reapers being galactic trolls for that matter ), but Glyph is not the AI or not a double agent. There are only questionable hints, such as the colour, that are just coincidence. Nothing of substantial value to convince me.

Modifié par Restrider, 06 septembre 2012 - 11:49 .

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
*snip*
Oh... and why did all this happen? ... Because Liara picked control, that's why!

Oh, that's nice.

But seriously, Glyph as a double agent? Maybe in a Mass Effect Mel Brooks version, but here...no.

The literalist thread where we dismiss stuff with a simple "no" is down the hall and to the left.

Ok, then, the longer version:
Were there any hints to that Glyph might be a secret agent throughout the game, other than, 'the hint is that there are no hints'? I don't remember any. Do Liara, VS and James drop unintended hints? Yes they do (as Megumi summed up nicely in a video).

I think that Glyph simply serves the Shadow Broker and if the SB decides to secretely and slowly sabotage something he might either approve that or be against it, as that sabotage would likely involve crashing something that has been put an effort in maintaining (like galactic intel, stock market, etc.). That is of course, if he's not manipulated by Reapers (second handedly by e.g. Liara).
But here, again, Bioware seems to have put an effort in planting weird banter on other characters that would fit indoc -- even Legion's decision to upload the Reaper code can be seen as odd if you wish to question it --, but in Glyph's case it would be a quite random revelation, for my taste.

But hey, if you like it and find it plausible, who am I to argue with your interpretation.

[Baldsake]

ending sucks, move on.

[Rifneno]

Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Glyph is the real shodow broker. And works for the reapers. He planted the crucible plans. He is the traitor on the normandy (through liara).
For all we know - he is the A.I. the leviathans created )))

He is white - the only other time this colour is used in ME universe for something holograohic or virtual - is GLYPH and the Catalyst.
CLYPH has the capacity to assume any form. - he can be set to look like anything.
The dreams start as soon as liara get's on board. (Presumably with GLYPH)
Annd the fact that he says everything as if he's mockking you. (Listen to the first things he say - and then overall)

Agreed. I also want to add that Glyph is likely the reason we found those Crucible plans. Go back to ME2 and talk to Liara on the SB ship. When she's only starting to get settled in, she already says the old SB was looking into the Protheans. He thought there was something else to find. Some way to survive. Since her info pretty much all comes from Glyph, obviously it told her this. And that's what lead to her finding the plans on Mars.

I've even heard it suggested that Glyph purposely got the old SB killed so he could get a new meatpuppet to manipulate into getting the Crucible.

Oh... and why did all this happen? ... Because Liara picked control, that's why!

This whole Glyph-theory is.... far fetched, to say the least.
Answer me one thing. If Glyph is the AI, has been made by the AI or somehow is working for the Reapers, how does this fit with the Refusal Ending?
After we refuse one of Liara's time capsules is shown and the provided information helps the next cycle to beat the reapers. But Glyph was installed on the time capsules... If Glyph worked for the reapers, it would have impeded access to the data Liara was trying to send to the next cycle. It would've just deleted it or whatever. So this contradicts to the whole "GLYPH IS EVIL" theory.

I am not saying that there is no possibility or not a high chance that the Crucible is a trap (reapers being galactic trolls for that matter ), but Glyph is not the AI or not a double agent. There are only questionable hints, such as the colour, that are just coincidence. Nothing of substantial value to convince me.

The entire theories are mutually exclusive.  The "next" civilizaiton (that looks remarkably like asari and humans) beat the Reapers with the crucible plans from the capsules, so sayth the devs.  If you think the crucible is a trap (and it's pretty much assumed in the glyph theory) then obviously you can't believe that silly stargazer 2.0 scene was real.

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Glyph is the real shodow broker. And works for the reapers. He planted the crucible plans. He is the traitor on the normandy (through liara).
For all we know - he is the A.I. the leviathans created )))

He is white - the only other time this colour is used in ME universe for something holograohic or virtual - is GLYPH and the Catalyst.
CLYPH has the capacity to assume any form. - he can be set to look like anything.
The dreams start as soon as liara get's on board. (Presumably with GLYPH)
Annd the fact that he says everything as if he's mockking you. (Listen to the first things he say - and then overall)

Point taken. But I'm still not convinced, would be too random for my taste (as stated above by MaxedAction).

Agreed. I also want to add that Glyph is likely the reason we found those Crucible plans. Go back to ME2 and talk to Liara on the SB ship. When she's only starting to get settled in, she already says the old SB was looking into the Protheans. He thought there was something else to find. Some way to survive. Since her info pretty much all comes from Glyph, obviously it told her this. And that's what lead to her finding the plans on Mars.

I've even heard it suggested that Glyph purposely got the old SB killed so he could get a new meatpuppet to manipulate into getting the Crucible.

Oh... and why did all this happen? ... Because Liara picked control, that's why!

This whole Glyph-theory is.... far fetched, to say the least.
Answer me one thing. If Glyph is the AI, has been made by the AI or somehow is working for the Reapers, how does this fit with the Refusal Ending?
After we refuse one of Liara's time capsules is shown and the provided information helps the next cycle to beat the reapers. But Glyph was installed on the time capsules... If Glyph worked for the reapers, it would have impeded access to the data Liara was trying to send to the next cycle. It would've just deleted it or whatever. So this contradicts to the whole "GLYPH IS EVIL" theory.

I am not saying that there is no possibility or not a high chance that the Crucible is a trap (reapers being galactic trolls for that matter ), but Glyph is not the AI or not a double agent. There are only questionable hints, such as the colour, that are just coincidence. Nothing of substantial value to convince me.

The entire theories are mutually exclusive.  The "next" civilizaiton (that looks remarkably like asari and humans) beat the Reapers with the crucible plans from the capsules, so sayth the devs.  If you think the crucible is a trap (and it's pretty much assumed in the glyph theory) then obviously you can't believe that silly stargazer 2.0 scene was real.

Point taken, but I am still not convinced. That would be totally random as stated by MaxedAction.
Edit: Well done BSN.... deleting my reply.
Luckily, it was a short post anyway.

Modifié par Restrider, 06 septembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Andromidius]

Rosewind wrote...

Well I just finally got around to playing(lol GW2 took me away) the DLC and I am still confused........

Almost as if the whole experience was just a dream?

Totally hear you.  Here's what the DLC was, essentially:

1/ Cool investigation
2/ Cool exploration
3/ Boring combat with an escort mission
4/ Repeat of the cool investigation
5/ More boring combat
6/ Pointless underwater exploration where nothing happens#
7/ Cool conversation with very mixed messages
8/ A single pointless statement from Starbinger at the end that changes nothing

Yeah, not so impressed overall.  Cut the combat, or give us something new.

[paxxton]

Baldsake wrote...

ending sucks, move on.

Off you go.

[Andromidius]

Restrider wrote...
This whole Glyph-theory is.... far fetched, to say the least.

I think its got credit.  Especially if we have the traditional halluncination ending, where the choices still don't mean anything beyond what happens to Shepard's mind.

As The Intelligence, I'd be inclined to think its not Glyph.  But Glyph as a honeytrap that's puppetted hundreds or thousands of Shadow Brokers over many Cycles?  Sounds plausible.  Also explains a lot of things.

Explains the dreams, the weird noises on the Normandy, how Liara found all the information on the Crucible in the nick of time...  And might also explain how Cerberus knows everything too if its been feeding information to TIM as well.

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

Well I just finally got around to playing(lol GW2 took me away) the DLC and I am still confused........

I was confused too but then I came here and discussed it and it seems that Leviathan shows the way the ending unfolded. Like Harbinger can take forms of people Shepard knows, he can create artificial environments, and use enthrallment (which is what he does at the end). Basically, the DLC brought analogies that clarify the ending and strengthen IT.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 septembre 2012 - 12:06 .

[Restrider]

Andromidius wrote...

Restrider wrote...
This whole Glyph-theory is.... far fetched, to say the least.

I think its got credit.  Especially if we have the traditional halluncination ending, where the choices still don't mean anything beyond what happens to Shepard's mind.

As The Intelligence, I'd be inclined to think its not Glyph.  But Glyph as a honeytrap that's puppetted hundreds or thousands of Shadow Brokers over many Cycles?  Sounds plausible.  Also explains a lot of things.

Explains the dreams, the weird noises on the Normandy, how Liara found all the information on the Crucible in the nick of time...  And might also explain how Cerberus knows everything too if its been feeding information to TIM as well.

It may explain some things better. But the fact that there is so little hinting at Glyph wonders me. I mean, I don't have to tell you what a sh!tload of hints and even facts are pointing at IT and still it is not recognized by more than a minority. If BW truly wanted to use Glyph as double agent, wouldn't there be a lot more hints?
Furthermore the whole Crucible being a trap could be explained without Glyph. To me, Glyph is not an integral part of that theory. It may serve as a vehicle... something you can point at and scream "There it is!! KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!", but it could be easily described without Glyph.

[RavenEyry]

I can see were the idea came from but "Liara's robot butler was the true villain all along" sounds like a Silent Hill bonus ending.

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Well I just finally got around to playing(lol GW2 took me away) the DLC and I am still confused........

Almost as if the whole experience was just a dream?

Totally hear you.  Here's what the DLC was, essentially:

1/ Cool investigation
2/ Cool exploration
3/ Boring combat with an escort mission
4/ Repeat of the cool investigation
5/ More boring combat
6/ Pointless underwater exploration where nothing happens#
7/ Cool conversation with very mixed messages
8/ A single pointless statement from Starbinger at the end that changes nothing

Yeah, not so impressed overall.  Cut the combat, or give us something new.

I liked the combat. Was a challenge and made me play longer.

The underwater walk was mostly for the sake of immersion, definately not pointless.

[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

I can see were the idea came from but "Liara's robot butler was the true villain all along" sounds like a Silent Hill bonus ending.

Exactly what I am thinking.

[Rosewind]

Andromidius wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Well I just finally got around to playing(lol GW2 took me away) the DLC and I am still confused........

Almost as if the whole experience was just a dream?

Totally hear you.  Here's what the DLC was, essentially:

1/ Cool investigation
2/ Cool exploration
3/ Boring combat with an escort mission
4/ Repeat of the cool investigation
5/ More boring combat
6/ Pointless underwater exploration where nothing happens#
7/ Cool conversation with very mixed messages
8/ A single pointless statement from Starbinger at the end that changes nothing

Yeah, not so impressed overall.  Cut the combat, or give us something new.

Yeah i just did the mission and thats it i really couldnt go threw the pain of london again.....and that EC *Shiver*

Your right the combat was boring, i loved the miner office thing that was awesomly creepy.

[Baldsake]

RavenEyry wrote...

I can see were the idea came from but "Liara's robot butler was the true villain all along" sounds like a Silent Hill bonus ending.

lol

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

I can see were the idea came from but "Liara's robot butler was the true villain all along" sounds like a Silent Hill bonus ending.

Might be. But what about Hackett being a Reaper and the Head of Cerberus?

[CoolioThane]

Baldsake wrote...

ending sucks, move on.

Of course. Thank you, you have cleared it all up for us. 
















































knob

[demersel]

It's not totally random - the drell you rescue in LotSB really hates glyph cause he thinks that there is something about him that does not add up. (there are a lot of things he mentiones).

Glyph is the solely responsibly for finding the Crucible plans.

The whole -"Shadow Broker is a random dude" concept does not add up - in ME1 barla won tells you that the shadow broker was around for starting from times immemorable - and that his actions were always consistent with a single personality and goal. (which we know it can't be since Shadow Broker turned out ot be some random dude, who killed, some other random dude before him, with no agenda of his own). More over - the agenda of the shadow brooker, according to barla won - was to keep things at level - so no one would ever get the upper hand in the end - and he can not even inagine the way how shadow broker possibly menages to constantly do that.

What is the constantly present element, when shadow broker is some random dude, that kills some other random dude who was shadow broker before him\\her? Millenia old ship + helpful VI assistant.

THe ship is now destroyed, and the assistant is still present - Liara the new shadow broker says that the ship was not important - she took everything that was important with her and installed it on the normandy. Normandy - is the new shadow broker's ship now. But glyph is still present. And he will be still around if the normandy is destroyed and liara killled - he is the central part of liara's time capsules - I can bet, that whoever finds those - will become the new shadow broker for a new cycle.

And he doesn't have to be an A.I. He can even be a V.I. - and still menage all that.

It was a case in the court - it would hold.

[Restrider]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I can see were the idea came from but "Liara's robot butler was the true villain all along" sounds like a Silent Hill bonus ending.

Might be. But what about Hackett being a Reaper and the Head of Cerberus?

Come on... These weird speculations are one reason, why many do not take IT seriously. The other most important one being the fact that many do not (or do not want) to understand/read/accept the evidence presented and rather try to rant and troll those who use their rational thinking.

[Baldsake]

CoolioThane wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

ending sucks, move on.

Of course. Thank you, you have cleared it all up for us. 


knob

just trying to show you guys that this ****ty SP isnt worth all the time you guys put into discussing it. I once hoped the IT was real, but after the EC its safe to say that this game failed and its time to move on. then again i cant keep nerds from being nerds so enjoy discussing game theories for the next few months until you finally realise that its all BS.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I can see were the idea came from but "Liara's robot butler was the true villain all along" sounds like a Silent Hill bonus ending.

Might be. But what about Hackett being a Reaper and the Head of Cerberus?

Come on... These weird speculations are one reason, why many do not take IT seriously. The other most important one being the fact that many do not (or do not want) to understand/read/accept the evidence presented and rather try to rant and troll those who use their rational thinking.

I should've added "jk" at the end.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 septembre 2012 - 12:20 .