Iconoclaste wrote...
I think others will remember the video, sorry if you don't. We do not see the actual "transplant", it's just a few moments before, when TIM is preparing for a risky medical business...GethPrimeMKII wrote...
On Chronus Station there were video logs regarding Shepard's reconstruction, EDI's construction, and EVA's constructions. I still don't know where you're finding this video log of TIM imlanting himself with reaper tech.
Modifié par demersel, 06 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .
Iconoclaste wrote...
TIM is a gambler, no doubt about that! But he gambled too high this time, and just like you wrote, he faced the consequences. We can see from the video archive in Sanctuary that the lady about to mod TIM doesn't seem too sure if it's a good idea. But time is running, and TIM is greedy enough to do it.
Thanks, Ninja!pseudonymic wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
I think others will remember the video, sorry if you don't. We do not see the actual "transplant", it's just a few moments before, when TIM is preparing for a risky medical business...GethPrimeMKII wrote...
On Chronus Station there were video logs regarding Shepard's reconstruction, EDI's construction, and EVA's constructions. I still don't know where you're finding this video log of TIM imlanting himself with reaper tech.
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
On Chronus Station there were video logs regarding Shepard's reconstruction, EDI's construction, and EVA's constructions. I still don't know where you're finding this video log of TIM imlanting himself with reaper tech.
pseudonymic wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
I think others will remember the video, sorry if you don't. We do not see the actual "transplant", it's just a few moments before, when TIM is preparing for a risky medical business...GethPrimeMKII wrote...
On Chronus Station there were video logs regarding Shepard's reconstruction, EDI's construction, and EVA's constructions. I still don't know where you're finding this video log of TIM imlanting himself with reaper tech.
The two (Salarians and Cerberus) obviously share a taste for "backstabbing", granted. And that's an interesting connection you are making, I never really went back on the reasons behind Cerberus' attack on the Salarian lab.demersel wrote...
A thought!
If there is some connection between cerberus and salarians. (say Dalatress for example) -
it suddenly makes some sense.
Dalatress new Shepard was going to take the femakes - cerberus aatacks the facility.
Dalatress asks Shepard to sabotage the cure.
Cerberus troops try to blow up the bomb and destroy Tuchanka - that prevents geno****e cured (what dalatress wants)
Salarian councilor tips you of that it is Udina behind the coup...
It is interesting, that when cerberus is not pushing it's own agenda - it is the agenda of Delatress.
It is the Salarians who have control over Ilos, btw. - A thing that would certainly interest illusive man,
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Ah thanks. Regardless there is zero mention of these implants granting people the ability to control the bodies of others like what TIM does inside the Citadel.
demersel wrote...
A thought!
If there is some connection between cerberus and salarians. (say Dalatress for example) -
it suddenly makes some sense.
Dalatress new Shepard was going to take the femakes - cerberus aatacks the facility.
Dalatress asks Shepard to sabotage the cure.
Cerberus troops try to blow up the bomb and destroy Tuchanka - that prevents geno****e cured (what dalatress wants)
Salarian councilor tips you of that it is Udina behind the coup...
It is interesting, that when cerberus is not pushing it's own agenda - it is the agenda of Delatress.
It is the Salarians who have control over Ilos, btw. - A thing that would certainly interest illusive man,
pseudonymic wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
pseudonymic wrote...
so, i watched clevernoob's post-ec documentary again yesterday and the discussion about the citadel beam stuck to my head. generally, do you guys agree with what he says, that the beam cannot possibly exist since we've only seen it in mass relay form before, thus being a part of shepard's indoctrination?
The beam from the Citadel, I assume? If so, it doesn't seem to follow
yep. the idea of it being something created in shepard's mind, as opposed to it being an actual beam, since all of the instances in where a beam was present it had to do with a mass relay - and even the conduit on ilos was presented in a mini-mass relay form as well. in other words, anything that "transported" someone, which would indicate this is something that may occur in shepard's mind. i'm not sure whether or not i agree with that being a valid IT sign, simply because of how it was present before shepard being knocked out.
Too late in game, and it's a good element of surprise. Usually the Codex updates after something new arises, not before, except for "historical data". Not everything needs to be spoon-fed to players, and I think it's not too far-fetched to have some credit.GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Ah thanks. Regardless there is zero mention of these implants granting people the ability to control the bodies of others like what TIM does inside the Citadel.
This would account very well for the first sentence TIM addresses to Shepard on the Citadel, something along the lines of "I told you, control is the way to go, and a way to control YOU, if needed".pseudonymic wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Ah thanks. Regardless there is zero mention of these implants granting people the ability to control the bodies of others like what TIM does inside the Citadel.
but we have to keep in mind that shepard = project lazarus, and it was never disclosed what exactly was done to him/her. so that's a connection that could explain it?
pseudonymic wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Ah thanks. Regardless there is zero mention of these implants granting people the ability to control the bodies of others like what TIM does inside the Citadel.
but we have to keep in mind that shepard = project lazarus, and it was never disclosed what exactly was done to him/her. so that's a connection that could explain it?
Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .
Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .
Iconoclaste wrote...
The two (Salarians and Cerberus) obviously share a taste for "backstabbing", granted. And that's an interesting connection you are making, I never really went back on the reasons behind Cerberus' attack on the Salarian lab.demersel wrote...
A thought!
If there is some connection between cerberus and salarians. (say Dalatress for example) -
it suddenly makes some sense.
Dalatress new Shepard was going to take the femakes - cerberus aatacks the facility.
Dalatress asks Shepard to sabotage the cure.
Cerberus troops try to blow up the bomb and destroy Tuchanka - that prevents geno****e cured (what dalatress wants)
Salarian councilor tips you of that it is Udina behind the coup...
It is interesting, that when cerberus is not pushing it's own agenda - it is the agenda of Delatress.
It is the Salarians who have control over Ilos, btw. - A thing that would certainly interest illusive man,
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
pseudonymic wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Ah thanks. Regardless there is zero mention of these implants granting people the ability to control the bodies of others like what TIM does inside the Citadel.
but we have to keep in mind that shepard = project lazarus, and it was never disclosed what exactly was done to him/her. so that's a connection that could explain it?
We're beated over the head several times with knowledge that TIM never implanted Shepard with any kind of control chip. And Anderson was also being controlled in that scene. If we examine the theory tha everything Shepard sees post Harbinger attack is drawn from memory, it is not such a stretch to assume Shepard remembers TIM undergoing an operation of some kind, and later imagines him as the half human, half husk freakshow he appears as.
Iconoclaste wrote...
This would account very well for the first sentence TIM addresses to Shepard on the Citadel, something along the lines of "I told you, control is the way to go, and a way to control YOU, if needed".pseudonymic wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Ah thanks. Regardless there is zero mention of these implants granting people the ability to control the bodies of others like what TIM does inside the Citadel.
but we have to keep in mind that shepard = project lazarus, and it was never disclosed what exactly was done to him/her. so that's a connection that could explain it?
Arashi08 wrote...
So...why is this Glyph thing still going on? Do people still think that Glyph will turn out to be an indoctrination ball? while it isn't as ridiculous as the idea of Hackett being indoctrinated, I still don't think it has any real merit to be considered actual evidence.
Based on what we know about BioWare's DLC, especially with mass effect. even if IT is going to be implemented, it will likely be revealed by something new in upcoming DLC. that'd usually hoe BioWare does these things. I still remember in LOTSB threads pre-DLC how some people seriously speculated the Conrad Verner was the SB. But if BioWare had gone with anything other than a different species the DLC wouldn't have been as good.
Also what would be the point? Glyph has a role to play in the game, sending you messages, reminding you of upgrades, etc. even if Glyph was some reaper trap then it would makes sense that you would have to defeat him at some point yes? considering how many people acknowledge his presence it seems like more of a hassle to code in him suddenly not being there at certain places, they'd have to change dialogue in people like Dr. Chakwas and I think Traynor who acknowledges Glyph around the middle of the game as well as Glyph's interactions with Liara. you might as well ask why isn't Traynor a double agent, or maybe Cortez. Traynor seems to always know where Cerberus is and even when Reapers show up sometimes. And Cortez always manages to get away from his pursuers, (except for that one time where he could DIE.) one would say that because they are LI's but people are also eager to accuse Liara of being indoctrinaed even though she's an LI...
And people STILL think Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech? Seriously? Grayson was the first one implanted with Reaper tech AFTER the events of ME2. and yes they did have cybernetic prosthetics before they found Reaper tech, it was one of the reasons why the Parlamentary Subcommittee for Transhuman Studies existed. I can't see TIM risking Shepard's identity with tech that could possibly indoctrinate her when he wanted to keep who she was intact.
im not angry or anything, so don't accuse me of yelling or whatever, I just think we should be looking forward rather than back. I mean we already know that there are clues that lead us ot believe that indoctrination maybe occuring, but to me, it seems like if IT is real, future DLC will contribute to it far more than looking at every character who acts unusual.
Arashi08 wrote...
So...why is this Glyph thing still going on? Do people still think that Glyph will turn out to be an indoctrination ball? while it isn't as ridiculous as the idea of Hackett being indoctrinated, I still don't think it has any real merit to be considered actual evidence.
Based on what we know about BioWare's DLC, especially with mass effect. even if IT is going to be implemented, it will likely be revealed by something new in upcoming DLC. that'd usually hoe BioWare does these things. I still remember in LOTSB threads pre-DLC how some people seriously speculated the Conrad Verner was the SB.
Very plausible, since TIM's actions, all over the game, goes well against human interests in general, in a counter-productive and apparently irrational manner. In fact, Cerberus appears as much as enemy the whole game as the Reapers, to the point we never know which ones are going to fall on our heads.Home run MF wrote...
"Females kept secret. Possibly a mole in STG. Could be indoctrinated."-Mordin
Has anyone tought that TIM could be already under Reaper control and he doesn't know it? Saren had doubts after Virmire and Sovereign implanted him.
demersel wrote...
yes. For all we know - that operation was a success. (unlikely, reaper tech, to much like saren, but still)
demersel wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
The two (Salarians and Cerberus) obviously share a taste for "backstabbing", granted. And that's an interesting connection you are making, I never really went back on the reasons behind Cerberus' attack on the Salarian lab.demersel wrote...
A thought!
If there is some connection between cerberus and salarians. (say Dalatress for example) -
it suddenly makes some sense.
Dalatress new Shepard was going to take the femakes - cerberus aatacks the facility.
Dalatress asks Shepard to sabotage the cure.
Cerberus troops try to blow up the bomb and destroy Tuchanka - that prevents geno****e cured (what dalatress wants)
Salarian councilor tips you of that it is Udina behind the coup...
It is interesting, that when cerberus is not pushing it's own agenda - it is the agenda of Delatress.
It is the Salarians who have control over Ilos, btw. - A thing that would certainly interest illusive man,
My theory - there is some arrangement between cerberus and Dalatress.
First she asks them for a favour - to help prevent the geno****e cured, (take females before shapard gets them, blow the bomb before the geno****e is cured)
Then cerberus asks for a favour back - help to organize the coup - and frame udina (for all we know the whole point of the coup might have been to kill Udina).
This leaves a question how they first came into a partnership and what was it initially about. I bet there is going to be a DLC about that.
Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:14 .
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Isent there a scene of kai Leng speaking with TIM regarding Udina´s death and the failure to take the Citadel. Cant recall details, but I seem to remember it presenting Udina as having been working with Cerberus.
Ill look it up.
Modifié par demersel, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:11 .
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