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[RavenEyry]

demersel wrote...

Man. I seriously think that Arrival was severely underrated at it's time.. But the story in it was so much bigger, and so much more focused that even in the Lair of the Shadow Broker.

I liked it the first time. I don't see everyones problem with it.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
I think when Shepard shoots it with a heavy weapon it explodes. This knocks him out.

Really? You can do that? Huh, it never even occured to me to do that.... that's the power of indoctrination for you. ..

Heh. It's possible after you kill all the swarming guards.

Does it needs to be a heavy weapon? Cause i had an arcprojector with me....

In ME2 - M98 -widow was my heavy weapon. :innocent:

Modifié par demersel, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
I think when Shepard shoots it with a heavy weapon it explodes. This knocks him out.

Really? You can do that? Huh, it never even occured to me to do that.... that's the power of indoctrination for you. ..

Heh. It's possible after you kill all the swarming guards.

Does it needs to be a heavy weapon? Cause i had an arcprojector with me....

In ME2 - M98 -widow was my heavy weapon. :innocent:

A heavy weapon does it faster but there's a health bar so I suppose you can do it with any weapon. I've seen it on YT.

In ME2 I used Grenade Laucher but it had too few ammo to be effective.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:11 .

[Home run MF]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
I think when Shepard shoots it with a heavy weapon it explodes. This knocks him out.

Really? You can do that? Huh, it never even occured to me to do that.... that's the power of indoctrination for you. ..

Heh. It's possible after you kill all the swarming guards.

I think the object is charging up while you are fighting and if you survive long enough it sents a pulse that knocks Shepard unconscious but it's not destroyed. Well I guess with the relay explosion it is, but you get the point.
Also this could explain the Harbinger hologram at the end :

"The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into Reaper territory. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in humans, a known factor in Reaper indoctrination. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late."

Modifié par Home run MF, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

demersel wrote...

Man. I seriously think that Arrival was severely underrated at it's time.. But the story in it was so much bigger, and so much more focused that even in the Lair of the Shadow Broker.

I liked it the first time. I don't see everyones problem with it.

I remember everyone's problem with it very clearly

No new squadmates, (like ashley/kaidan)
No new squadmate banter
No gimmecky combat a la Shadow Broker's ship exterior
No boss battle a la Rouge spectre / shadow broker
No new hub
No additional forniture for the normandy.
The story is blunt and straight in your face. No finesse
No big ending decision to be later imported into me3 (that was actually the most important of them all. )

To sum it up - it was not lair of the shadow broker 2, it didn't have any fanservice, it didn't have anything new combatwise, and it had the story no one wanted to hear. 

[Ace7]

RavenEyry wrote...

demersel wrote...

Man. I seriously think that Arrival was severely underrated at it's time.. But the story in it was so much bigger, and so much more focused that even in the Lair of the Shadow Broker.

I liked it the first time. I don't see everyones problem with it.

Me too.

[paxxton]

Home run MF wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
I think when Shepard shoots it with a heavy weapon it explodes. This knocks him out.

Really? You can do that? Huh, it never even occured to me to do that.... that's the power of indoctrination for you. ..

Heh. It's possible after you kill all the swarming guards.

I think the object is charging up while you are fighting and if you survive long enough it sents a pulse that knocks Shepard unconscious but it's not destroyed. Well I guess with the relay explosion it is, but you get the point.

I think it sends out a red pulse too.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...
A heavy weapon does it faster but there's a health bar so I suppose you can do it with any weapon. I've seen it on YT.

In ME2 I used Grenade Laucher but it had too few ammo to be effective.

It did not have a health bar! The was only a bar filling up as it charged up for the final pulse!


Man it seems i will have to replay arrival after all...

My real canon save in ME2 has it yet to be played - that is why it was not the save i imported into ME3.... It seem's that my canon playthrough has not yet started after alll....

[Ace7]

 from me3 codex / Wikia
"Dr. Amanda Kenson's scientific team has cataloged three major discoveries on the artifact encased in the 157-Golgotha asteroid. First, the large artifact is rooted into the core of the asteroid and has a barrier that is similar to but much more powerful than a biotic stasis field. This gives it an unnatural resilience to alteration or damage and even prevents state-of-the-art laser drilling from extracting the smallest piece for analysis"

[RavenEyry]

demersel wrote...

I remember everyone's problem with it very clearly

No new squadmates, (like ashley/kaidan)
No new squadmate banter
No gimmecky combat a la Shadow Broker's ship exterior
No boss battle a la Rouge spectre / shadow broker
No new hub
No additional forniture for the normandy.
The story is blunt and straight in your face. No finesse
No big ending decision to be later imported into me3 (that was actually the most important of them all. )

To sum it up - it was not lair of the shadow broker 2, it didn't have any fanservice, it didn't have anything new combatwise, and it had the story no one wanted to hear. 

There was no new squad banter in overlord either. And I'd call the stealth and survival new combats. No boss admittedly and I liked the plot but I don't speak for eveyone. Most of those complaints are petty really.

[Ace7]

and the rest of that piece...........


"Second, the object's interior is energetically active with a quantum stasis field rivaling that of Prothean technology found in mass relays. Like those creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point the artifact consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws power directly from dark matter, though how is still unknown.
The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into Reaper territory. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in humans, a known factor in Reaper indoctrination. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late."

[paxxton]

Ace7 wrote...

 from me3 codex / Wikia
"Dr. Amanda Kenson's scientific team has cataloged three major discoveries on the artifact encased in the 157-Golgotha asteroid. First, the large artifact is rooted into the core of the asteroid and has a barrier that is similar to but much more powerful than a biotic stasis field. This gives it an unnatural resilience to alteration or damage and even prevents state-of-the-art laser drilling from extracting the smallest piece for analysis"

Hmm... So maybe it was a coincidence. Or a glitch.

[demersel]

I really liked how in the arrival there is no option to not to blow up the system.
And the final choice is purely for your own soul - you can choose to try to send a warning, while you know that it is unlikely to be send out anyway due to static, and there is certainly no time for anyone to do anything even if it is sent out, or you can choose to not worn anyone and try to contact the normandy to ask for rescue (which is also very unlikely) - and the best part of it - that it turnes out you can't do either!

That is actually may be the most important choice you have ever made in ME - cause it defines you, and only has effect on you.

[Ace7]

Just for clarity because my mind is fuzzy on that DLC.....but, was object rho a control device for the Alpha Relay or was it just a coincidence that it was located beside the relay???

Oh. I just realised something, perhaps Omega station/hollowed out asteroid wasn't a prothean mine after all........ sorry, I was going off on a tangent there.

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

There was no new squad banter in overlord either. And I'd call the stealth and survival new combats. No boss admittedly and I liked the plot but I don't speak for eveyone. Most of those complaints are petty really.

And Overlord was heavily criticised for it, when it came out. 

But Overlord had the advantage of coming out before LotSB, and it tolled the story no one knew they wanted to hear. 
It had exploration element, EXTREMLY entertaining combat (combat level design on overlord is THE BEST in all ME series, period) - a great Boss Battle, and a deep meaningfull final choice. 

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...

Just for clarity because my mind is fuzzy on that DLC.....but, was object rho a control device for the Alpha Relay or was it just a coincidence that it was located beside the relay???

Oh. I just realised something, perhaps Omega station/hollowed out asteroid wasn't a prothean mine after all........ sorry, I was going off on a tangent there.

I think it was a navigational beacon for reapers of sorts - so the can plot course to the system from out of the dark empty space.


And this is a very interesting idea - Perhaps omega has similiar beacon inside the asteroid is is built into!!!  (would make sense since Alpha relay and omega 4 relay are not your common relays, and have special purpose that only reapers use) 

[Home run MF]

Ace7 wrote...

Just for clarity because my mind is fuzzy on that DLC.....but, was object rho a control device for the Alpha Relay or was it just a coincidence that it was located beside the relay???

Oh. I just realised something, perhaps Omega station/hollowed out asteroid wasn't a prothean mine after all........ sorry, I was going off on a tangent there.

It is not, it's established in Retribution it was made by the Reapers.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

 from me3 codex / Wikia
"Dr. Amanda Kenson's scientific team has cataloged three major discoveries on the artifact encased in the 157-Golgotha asteroid. First, the large artifact is rooted into the core of the asteroid and has a barrier that is similar to but much more powerful than a biotic stasis field. This gives it an unnatural resilience to alteration or damage and even prevents state-of-the-art laser drilling from extracting the smallest piece for analysis"

Hmm... So maybe it was a coincidence. Or a glitch.

If they shot it with Cain  - it could be that the explosion just obscured vision in the exact same second Object Rho emited the final pusle (so the shot was taken as a more of **** you middle finger thing at the end of the battle.)
Can you give link for the video? 

Modifié par demersel, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[demersel]

Home run MF wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

Just for clarity because my mind is fuzzy on that DLC.....but, was object rho a control device for the Alpha Relay or was it just a coincidence that it was located beside the relay???

Oh. I just realised something, perhaps Omega station/hollowed out asteroid wasn't a prothean mine after all........ sorry, I was going off on a tangent there.

It is not, it's established in Retribution it was made by the Reapers.

There is ONE line in retribution that suggests that it has something to do with the reapers initially - maybe it was the asteroid that held their objectRho-like beacon for the omega system and it was just mined and drilled into and built around, don't you think?

Modifié par demersel, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:46 .

[Home run MF]

demersel wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

Just for clarity because my mind is fuzzy on that DLC.....but, was object rho a control device for the Alpha Relay or was it just a coincidence that it was located beside the relay???

Oh. I just realised something, perhaps Omega station/hollowed out asteroid wasn't a prothean mine after all........ sorry, I was going off on a tangent there.

It is not, it's established in Retribution it was made by the Reapers.

There is ONE line in retribution that suggests that it has something to do with the reapers initially - maybe it was the asteroid that held their object  Rho beacon and it was just mined and drilled into and built around, don't you think?

"The works of our kind are eternal" and the remembering blueprints and showing disgust for what the other species added seems pretty telling to me, but I guess well know once Omega DLC gets released.  
Edit: Don't forget the Omega 4 relay it's in close proximity.

Modifié par Home run MF, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

 from me3 codex / Wikia
"Dr. Amanda Kenson's scientific team has cataloged three major discoveries on the artifact encased in the 157-Golgotha asteroid. First, the large artifact is rooted into the core of the asteroid and has a barrier that is similar to but much more powerful than a biotic stasis field. This gives it an unnatural resilience to alteration or damage and even prevents state-of-the-art laser drilling from extracting the smallest piece for analysis"

Hmm... So maybe it was a coincidence. Or a glitch.

If they shot it with Cain  - it could be that the explosion just obscured vision in the exact same second Object Rho emited the final pusle (so the shot was taken as a more of **** you middle finger thing at the end of the battle.)
Can you give link for the video? 

I checked a few videos out and it really seems there's no health bar. I don't have a link to that exact video but it looks like it might have been a coincidence. Shame.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:51 .

[Ace7]

  Retribution eh? Never read it.....but i like where this is goin. Perhaps, the next DLC will expand upon the reapers involvment in Omega? 

[RavenEyry]

The novel's wording is ambiguous. They could've been referring to technology in general.

[Ace7]

Home run MF wrote...

Don't forget the Omega 4 relay it's in close proximity.

this is where my "eureka" moment came from 

[Ace7]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

 from me3 codex / Wikia
"Dr. Amanda Kenson's scientific team has cataloged three major discoveries on the artifact encased in the 157-Golgotha asteroid. First, the large artifact is rooted into the core of the asteroid and has a barrier that is similar to but much more powerful than a biotic stasis field. This gives it an unnatural resilience to alteration or damage and even prevents state-of-the-art laser drilling from extracting the smallest piece for analysis"

Hmm... So maybe it was a coincidence. Or a glitch.

If they shot it with Cain  - it could be that the explosion just obscured vision in the exact same second Object Rho emited the final pusle (so the shot was taken as a more of **** you middle finger thing at the end of the battle.)
Can you give link for the video? 

I checked a few videos out and it really seems there's no health bar. I don't have a link to that exact video but it looks like it might have been a coincidence. Shame.

i'm nearly sure there was a bar too but I think it was a power bar building up to the puslse expulsion, in relation to the countdown timer. could be wrong though, as I said earlier, im a bit fuzzy on it