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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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LOL. Seriously?

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

I burned my desktop copmuter last week! It is still in the repair shop.

Don't play with matches.


I don't.... I just render a lot of HD video, and sadly don't have back-up power source - and electricity jums a lot at where i live.  

Then try getting a UPS (even a basic one) or at least a power surge protector.

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paxxton wrote...
IT seems highly probable. I'd like to see it confirmed or at least officially hinted at by the end of 2013.

It seems highly probably even though Chris Prestly has directly said that they aren't making any more changes to the endings right here on the forums?  I wish I was as optimistic as you.

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paxxton wrote...

LOL. Seriously?


Yep. Look closely at the wording, sentence structure  and a cerefull mention of Twilligh God in the end, to provoke a discussion about his ideas. )))

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elitehunter34 wrote...

paxxton wrote...
IT seems highly probable. I'd like to see it confirmed or at least officially hinted at by the end of 2013.

It seems highly probably even though Chris Prestly has directly said that they aren't making any more changes to the endings right here on the forums?  I wish I was as optimistic as you.

They don't have to. A post-ending DLC would take place after the ending. Or if they decide to leave it for ME4, ME3's ending will remain unchanged.

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Seriously?


Yep. Look closely at the wording, sentence structure  and a cerefull mention of Twilligh God in the end, to provoke a discussion about his ideas. )))

If you really think I'm just an alt account just look at my post history.  Also, I just said I was fan of that particular version. I never said I'm against the dream theory.  I wouldn't mind seeing either one in future content.

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elitehunter34 wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Seriously?


Yep. Look closely at the wording, sentence structure  and a cerefull mention of Twilligh God in the end, to provoke a discussion about his ideas. )))

If you really think I'm just an alt account just look at my post history.  Also, I just said I was fan of that particular version. I never said I'm against the dream theory.  I wouldn't mind seeing either one in future content.

What exactly is his theory?

Modifié par paxxton, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:45 .


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What exactly is his theory about?

Well the thread is still on the front page and you can read it there, but basically it's vanilla IT, but without the dream aspect.  In his version the Catalyst is trying to get you to pick Control or Synthesis because in either one you become a pawn of the Reapers or otherwise controlled by them.  Destroy is the only choice that defeats the Reapers in his scenario.

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 We love you too, Twillight_God. :blush:

But not in that way. :?

And not that much. :devil:

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demersel wrote...

 We love you too, Twillight_God. :blush:

But not in that way. :?

And not that much. :devil:

Um, well I'm not him?

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 Hey, guess what was just released on Origin?  The Final Hours App!  I wonder if they're trying to get more people to see that they originally had some kind of Reaper control planned, but just couldn't pull off the gameplay aspect in time.  Huh, maybe they cut the gameplay aspect because they needed more time to perfect it.  That would make sense when you consider how they talk about DLC being the oppurtunity to do things that they didn't have time to put in the original game.

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Someone stalled the thread.

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Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, guess what was just released on Origin?  The Final Hours App!  I wonder if they're trying to get more people to see that they originally had some kind of Reaper control planned, but just couldn't pull off the gameplay aspect in time.  Huh, maybe they cut the gameplay aspect because they needed more time to perfect it.  That would make sense when you consider how they talk about DLC being the oppurtunity to do things that they didn't have time to put in the original game.


...Or they wanna make a bit more money

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paxxton wrote...

Someone stalled the thread.


Everone's downloading Final hours :lol:

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i am so sick that android gets no love. The galaxy s3 just surpassed 20 million people why is this final hours app not coming to droid. Im sure me and millions of others would gladly pay for it. Also im still waiting for the damn datapad app to come out for android, I really do despise EA

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Finally if it is not in Shepards mind then Harbinger somehow has direct acess to Shepards radio since Shepard should not be able to hear Harbinger otherwise...would actually have made for a kinda fun scene.

Harbingers hologram blinking as he speaks and Shepard just standing there not hearing anything.

Shepard - "Can anyone tell me what is up with this pulsating Reaper holo?"

EDI - "It seems to be trying to communicate with you"

Joker - "Then maybe someone should have told them sound dont exactly travel well through space. Pinnacle of evolution, hah."


5 minutes later, I'm still chuckling at this. Well played, sir.

elitehunter34 wrote...

paxxton wrote...
IT seems highly probable. I'd like to see it confirmed or at least officially hinted at by the end of 2013.

It seems highly probably even though Chris Prestly has directly said that they aren't making any more changes to the endings right here on the forums? I wish I was as optimistic as you.


He said the same when the Rebellion DLC was leaked. Frankly, I can't think of any significant name from BW that hasn't lied to us about upcoming content in one way or another.

Also guys, can we not accuse someone of being Twilight just because they said they liked his theory? It's kind of silly. And it puts people off. And it doesn't do any favors to the whole "IT'ers are fruitloops" rep we got going on.

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, guess what was just released on Origin? The Final Hours App! I wonder if they're trying to get more people to see that they originally had some kind of Reaper control planned, but just couldn't pull off the gameplay aspect in time. Huh, maybe they cut the gameplay aspect because they needed more time to perfect it. That would make sense when you consider how they talk about DLC being the oppurtunity to do things that they didn't have time to put in the original game.


I wonder if they took a few minutes to edit out that part about how they'll never explain the Reapers' origins. Perhaps scratch it out and wrtie "Buy Leviathan!" over it?

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Shepard in ME4 isn't happening according to Mike Gamble. ME3 will be the end of commander Shepard's story.
Lols we said "Commander" Shepard. Admiral Shepard is the star of ME4. Yeah, sounds dubious to me.
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Gamble is serious. However, the rEApers may not be finished with Shepard...

Jessica Merizan claims that indoctrination requiring DLC is not Bioware's intent.

So, what sort of indoctrination doesn't require DLC?
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Endings completely literal: Indoctrination does not have any tangible effect on Shepard, doesn't manifest on screen, EC slides show all choices as victory. No Indoctrination Occurs.
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Endings are literal, control/synthesis are traps: EC slides show all choices as victory. Where's the trap? Where's the indoctrination? No Indoctrination Occurs. DLC Required to Explain.
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ITCon: EC slide shows all choices as victory. Where's the trap? Only possible if EC slide show is Reaper caused hallucination, which makes no sense. DLC Required to Explain.
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ITDream: What happens after making your decision? DLC Required to Explain.

Only 100% literal ending does not require DLC. There are no other possible interpretations without DLC. Bioware's community managers are contradicting themselves. IT is valid and no IT DLC cannot be simultaneously true.
So why won't Mike Gamble comment further?

Why? Stonewalling IT fans to keep them spending while ultimately alienating them down the line? Why have Jessica throw a wet towel on that by saying no IT DLC then?

If Jessica's tweets were official Bioware stance as she claims, why won't Mike also confirm?
If Bioware wanted to keep everyone guessing, why have Jessica say no IT DLC in the first place?
Is she being kept in the dark? Misdirecting the fans? Has she gone rogue? Has her crazy got loose? Again, if it's true, there is no reason for Mike not to confirm now that it's out there...Unless there is a plan for an as of now need-to-know only DLC...

Again, if it's about making more money, Jessica and Chris REALLY aren't helping things.

Thing is, if IT isn't true, I could move on from the endings. I'd never forgive them for lying for months about it. Bad endings + dishonesty = lost customers

Rif you're right:
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I still don't know what to think. I'm still pissed off at the PR games they are playing. Mike Gamble should realize if there is no IT DLC his refusal to admit it will destroy his reputation with many people. He seems like a pretty bright guy. A little arrogant, but strikes me as a nice person overall. He has to know this is going to hurt a lot worse in the long run.

So to sum it up: The community managers statements are contradictory, and nobody else will confirm/deny their statements.

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Hanar Squadmate
SP
Shepard: Cover Me!
Hanar: This one has no weapon
Shepard: Use your powers!
Hanar: This one has no powers
Shepard: Then hack the door.
Hanar: This one is fleeing
[BRAAAA-AAAAATTT]
Shepard: Steve!
Cortez: Commander!
Shepard: Go get Garrus.

MP
The Voice: Incoming hostile forces.
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Bogeys inbound
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Find the targets then finish them
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel

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I just finished ME3 again after my discovery of IT, and here's what I think about the final 3 choices.

First of all, the boy is a small lying cow ( I asked him about Leviathan of course.). That's one of the reasons why we shouldn't believe everything that is happening there.

Secondly, Control is everything Illusive Man was striving for. While Synthesis is what Saren was aiming for under Reapers' control. It means it's the ultimate wish of Reapers themselves.
They also try to convince you to select this particular ending, describing how ideal the world will be. Though al their attempts of synthesis lead to indoctrination, husks and other creepy things.

And finally Distruction. It's our Shepard's aim for the whole 2 parts of the game. It's the only thing we're doing from the very strat - killing the Reapers.

So in order to stay true to her/himself and to regain concious we have to select this one.
And again, the "intelligence" tries to talk us out of this choice threatening that our Geth friends, EDI and maybe even Shepard himself will die. However if you ask this small thing to explain in details, he says that Crucible will affect everything. Some will still live and rebuilt what was destroyed... Not a very distinctive hint, that in fact everything will be all right. I'm sure Joker backed up EDI somewhere.

And we see at the end while Normandy is crashed on a planet a whole alien fleet is flying away to the broken mass relay undamaged. If we destroyed the synthetics, how did those ships were still operating?

So, indoctrination. Arrival or not... Quite possible, because ME3 starts with the catalyst boy dancing near our building.

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Yesterday I was watching Clevernoob's latest documentary on the EC.

He said something that most of us wouldn't agree with, but I forgot what it was. Sorry, it was very late. *slaps self*

Furthermore, he has this crazy theory that the Leviathans designed the Crucible as a fail-safe. According to him, the Leviathans implemented the control and synthesis options. Control for when things went wrong, synthesis because it was their ultimate goal (???) and destroy for if all else failed. I was very tired and I have remembering the details, but it makes no sense at all.

First of all, they didn't create the Reapers, they created the AI. The AI created the Reapers. So why would the Leviathans build a device to control Reapers?

But more importantly: how does that theory even support IT? It's a literal interpretation. Maybe I misunderstood, so correct me if I'm wrong.

And then at the end he totally misses out on pointing out the differences between the fighting soldier scene in destroy and in control/synthesis

Also, I can't believe someone can be so longwinded. He just keeps explaining the same point over and over, all the while looping the same fragments of the same game footage over and over. It's like a hypnotic mantra.

I appreciate what he's trying to do, but I'm not a fan.

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Does Leviathan basically mean Catalyst exists, ITers?

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I'm not sure what you're asking.

Leviathan does confirm the existence of some AI, if that is what you mean. But that's about all the literal interpretation gets.

IT gets a lot of help from Leviathan.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 07 septembre 2012 - 08:25 .


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SubAstris wrote...

Does Leviathan basically mean Catalyst exists, ITers?


No, Leviathans din't even know what Crucible purpose was. They saw it was being built in many cycles, but it was never completed.

So it wasn't Leviathans who created the Crucible. They created intelligence (the one who called himself catalyst).

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I'm not sure what you're asking.

Leviathan does confirm the existence of some AI, if that is what you mean. But that's about all the literal interpretation gets.

IT gets a lot of help from Leviathan.


What other AI could it reasonably be? What other character in the ME series who we have been introduced to fits that bill except the Catalyst?

In what way does it get help IT?

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Paulinesh wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Does Leviathan basically mean Catalyst exists, ITers?


No, Leviathans din't even know what Crucible purpose was. They saw it was being built in many cycles, but it was never completed.

So it wasn't Leviathans who created the Crucible. They created intelligence (the one who called himself catalyst).


I wasn't talking about the Crucible, so yeah, the Intelligence/Catalyst exists