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[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

 I remember waaaaay back someone mentioned that you can see the Starchild on the missing people board in Dr. Bryson's lab rom Leviathan? Is this true? Does anyone have any pictures?

Really? I know his picture is on the memorial wall in Citadel Docks.

Maybe I misread and that's what they were talking about. :/ 

No, you're right, that was mentioned.  I think Raven even confirmed it.

Geez, who's Raven?

http://social.bioware.com/2964403/

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

 I remember waaaaay back someone mentioned that you can see the Starchild on the missing people board in Dr. Bryson's lab rom Leviathan? Is this true? Does anyone have any pictures?

Really? I know his picture is on the memorial wall in Citadel Docks.

Maybe I misread and that's what they were talking about. :/ 

No, you're right, that was mentioned.  I think Raven even confirmed it.

Geez, who's Raven?

I think he means Raveneyry.

EDIT: Ninja'd:ph34r:

Modifié par estebanus, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

 I remember waaaaay back someone mentioned that you can see the Starchild on the missing people board in Dr. Bryson's lab rom Leviathan? Is this true? Does anyone have any pictures?

Really? I know his picture is on the memorial wall in Citadel Docks.

Maybe I misread and that's what they were talking about. :/ 

No, you're right, that was mentioned.  I think Raven even confirmed it.

Geez, who's Raven?

http://social.bioware.com/2964403/

LOL. Yeah, I know him. I thought you were talking about a game character.

[Ace7]

Can you revisit the lab anytime after completing leviathan? If so, might go have a re-look at that wall of photo's. Would could his photo mean in Terms of IT?

Also, when I saw the photo's of all the strange creatures for the first time, I was really hoping we would be fighting a new enemy. ah well....

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Was rewatching one of the biowae pulse videos - the one on combat - there on the table of the devs books Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion. (placed as if for every dev to read - 2.01) This is huge.

The omega point, i've been talkin about - it's one of the main themes off the book. The main enemie - is rouge A.I. And story is much more complicated then when it first seems. evn some motives similiar to IT are featured there.

Interesting... Source?

Here:

I've never read this book, but from the plot summary:
http://en.wikipedia...._(Simmons_novel)
,,,

[Restrider]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Was rewatching one of the biowae pulse videos - the one on combat - there on the table of the devs books Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion. (placed as if for every dev to read - 2.01) This is huge.

The omega point, i've been talkin about - it's one of the main themes off the book. The main enemie - is rouge A.I. And story is much more complicated then when it first seems. evn some motives similiar to IT are featured there.

Interesting... Source?

Here:

I've never read this book, but from the plot summary:
http://en.wikipedia...._(Simmons_novel)
,,,

Actually a nice novel. I'd say Simmons´ master piece. Ilium and Olympos were quite okay, but then again... kind of weird. Then he also wrote a few vampire/horror books (before the whole Twilight hype) and his latest book is quite nice again, if you ignore his political ranting on the democrats.

Edit: This novel is linked to this topic because of its deceptive and manipulative content. It is not that brainwashing as IT would turn out, but there are a few nasty surprises in it.

Modifié par Restrider, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Ace7]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Was rewatching one of the biowae pulse videos - the one on combat - there on the table of the devs books Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion. (placed as if for every dev to read - 2.01) This is huge.

The omega point, i've been talkin about - it's one of the main themes off the book. The main enemie - is rouge A.I. And story is much more complicated then when it first seems. evn some motives similiar to IT are featured there.

Interesting... Source?

Here:

I've never read this book, but from the plot summary:
http://en.wikipedia...._(Simmons_novel)
,,,

Not feeling too bright today so forgive me if I can't penetrate that summary. Think I may have to pick up that book during the week. But basically, there are some eerily similar themes I take it?

Demersel, what's your Omega point in relation to the book that is?  

Modifié par Ace7, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Ace7]

oops, double post apologies

Modifié par Ace7, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[hhaguy]

I HAVE A DREAM...

I see a better possible beginning to Mass Effect 4.
That is to have the end to Mass Effect 3 to be all a bad dream, or Shepard just fighting off indoctrination.

No suprise...

Their are other factors that should be taken in to account.

The Citidel is a Mass Effect Relay, that was going to be used by the Reapers, so they could come from Dark Space to the Citidel.

ergo..

There has to be a large Mass Effect Relay like the Citidel, or Somthing in Dark Space like a Hive

That could cause the Reapers Greef if it were Changed or Destroyed.

And how would this Something In Dark Space be changed or distroyed in time? 

The answer is the Crucible, the Crucible's true purpose was not fully explained.

But it is connected to the Citidel and the Citidel purpose is a Mass Effect Relay to Dark Space.

I just thought that with this little change in the story,

it would allow the Writers more flexibility in writeing Mass Effect 4.

I know this may have already been thought of,  I just have not seen any posts with this kind of twist.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

I've never read this book, but from the plot summary:
http://en.wikipedia...._(Simmons_novel)
,,,

And I think I should pick up a copy. I hear the story's really good.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:07 .

[Restrider]

Well, I will elaborate the Omega point theme in the books Hyperion and The Fall Of Hyperion:

**** SPOILER ****
So, the humans started to work on AIs and once uppon a time they were able to create sapient and self-aware AIs. These AIs (also called SI, IIRC) then emancipated from the humans (but not in a bloody manner) and collected themselves in the so called Techno Core, comparable with some kind of cyberspace with different entities. So you cannot directly compare it to a Consesus (like the Geth). They still cooperated with the humans and acted like councilors. They even had ambassadors and so on.
Then in the book, a huge conflict starts between the mainstream human faction and a ruge human faction that lives in outer space. In the end, it was all a hoax established by the Techno Core, whose prime objective was to create the so called HI (Highest Intelligence) and this is were the Omega point comes into play. To reach this, they ... deceive the humans and establish a new order/symbiosis between humans and machines (this is nothing obvious, you will have to read through both books to understand what they actually did) with the humans ... having advantages in this symbiosis, but not really knowing what is really happening to them. I don't want to go too much into details.
But the theme of the books is quite comparable with the theme of the ME trilogy and IT.

Modifié par Restrider, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

hhaguy wrote...


I HAVE A DREAM...

I see a better possible beginning to Mass Effect 4.
That is to have the end to Mass Effect 3 to be all a bad dream, or Shepard just fighting off indoctrination.

No suprise...

Their are other factors that should be taken in to account.

The Citidel is a Mass Effect Relay, that was going to be used by the Reapers, so they could come from Dark Space to the Citidel.

ergo..

There has to be a large Mass Effect Relay like the Citidel, or Somthing in Dark Space like a Hive

That could cause the Reapers Greef if it were Changed or Destroyed.

And how would this Something In Dark Space be changed or distroyed in time? 

The answer is the Crucible, the Crucible's true purpose was not fully explained.

But it is connected to the Citidel and the Citidel purpose is a Mass Effect Relay to Dark Space.

I just thought that with this little change in the story,

it would allow the Writers more flexibility in writeing Mass Effect 4.

I know this may have already been thought of,  I just have not seen any posts with this kind of twist.

I have had similar thoughts and me and another guy on the forum who I sadly cant remember the name of (it was back in Mark II) compiled our ideas into what he called the Dark Space Theory.

Basicly our theory went that the Crucible is the Citadel Relays power source, like those glowing cores in the Relays. By keeping it seperate the Reaper insure it is much harder to learn the truth of the Citadel and each cycle wastes ressources building it.

Normally even if the Crucible was attached to the Citadel no non reaper ship could travel precisely through it due to experiencing so massive drifts that they would be lost in Dark Space. However as this cycle has aquired a Reaper IFF they could potentially travle through it and hit whatever is at the other end.

This is just the basics, got the whole theory written down, but dont have acess to the com it is on at the moment though.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:20 .

[Ace7]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Crucible is the Citadel Relays power source

But the crucible wasn't built when sovereign was trying to activate it

[Home run MF]

That theory sounds very interesting Raistlin.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

hhaguy wrote...


I HAVE A DREAM...

I see a better possible beginning to Mass Effect 4.
That is to have the end to Mass Effect 3 to be all a bad dream, or Shepard just fighting off indoctrination.

No suprise...

Their are other factors that should be taken in to account.

The Citidel is a Mass Effect Relay, that was going to be used by the Reapers, so they could come from Dark Space to the Citidel.

ergo..

There has to be a large Mass Effect Relay like the Citidel, or Somthing in Dark Space like a Hive

That could cause the Reapers Greef if it were Changed or Destroyed.

And how would this Something In Dark Space be changed or distroyed in time? 

The answer is the Crucible, the Crucible's true purpose was not fully explained.

But it is connected to the Citidel and the Citidel purpose is a Mass Effect Relay to Dark Space.

I just thought that with this little change in the story,

it would allow the Writers more flexibility in writeing Mass Effect 4.

I know this may have already been thought of,  I just have not seen any posts with this kind of twist.

I have had similar thoughts and me and another guy on the forum who I sadly cant remember the name of (it was back in Mark II) compiled our ideas into what he called the Dark Space Theory.

Basicly our theory went that the Crucible is the Citadel Relays power source, like those glowing cores in the Relays. By keeping it seperate the Reaper insure it is much harder to learn the truth of the Citadel and each cycle wastes ressources building it.

Normally even if the Crucible was attached to the Citadel no non reaper ship could travel precisely through it due to experiencing so massive drifts that they would be lost in Dark Space. However as this cycle has aquired a Reaper IFF they could potentially travle through it and hit whatever is at the other end.

This is just the basics, got the whole theory written down, but dont have acess to the com it is on at the moment though.

Think the other way around! What if Reapers that came to Milky Way are just a fraction of their full potential. Once the Citadel Relay is activated with the Crucible the true invasion starts.

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...

Demersel, what's your Omega point in relation to the book that is?  

The direct relation to ME story would be that that book is written so events just happen, and they seem very ramdom, to the point of bad writing. However, during those events, each of the main characters tells a story, those stories seems also very rendom, and not connected, But the closer things get to the end - the more you start to understand this world and how it works, and seemingly random facts start to form a bigger picture, that expalins evything that seemed so random and out of place initially.  

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

Think the other way around! What if Reapers that came to Milky Way are just a fraction of their full potential. Once the Citadel Relay is activated with the Crucible the true invasion starts.

I thought about this possibility. Would be very funny. 
But doesn't really fits. Reapers could open citadel relay just fine before protheans, and crucible plans also existed before protheans. 

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

Well, I will elaborate the Omega point theme in the books Hyperion and The Fall Of Hyperion:

**** SPOILER ****
So, the humans started to work on AIs and once uppon a time they were able to create sapient and self-aware AIs. These AIs (also called SI, IIRC) then emancipated from the humans (but not in a bloody manner) and collected themselves in the so called Techno Core, comparable with some kind of cyberspace with different entities. So you cannot directly compare it to a Consesus (like the Geth). They still cooperated with the humans and acted like councilors. They even had ambassadors and so on.
Then in the book, a huge conflict starts between the mainstream human faction and a ruge human faction that lives in outer space. In the end, it was all a hoax established by the Techno Core, whose prime objective was to create the so called HI (Highest Intelligence) and this is were the Omega point comes into play. To reach this, they ... deceive the humans and establish a new order/symbiosis between humans and machines (this is nothing obvious, you will have to read through both books to understand what they actually did) with the humans ... having advantages in this symbiosis, but not really knowing what is really happening to them. I don't want to go too much into details.
But the theme of the books is quite comparable with the theme of the ME trilogy and IT.

you know perfectly well, that this is only HALF of the story in relation to omega point. ))) And that it is the other half that makes it really similiar to ME story, especially the leviathan part of it. ))

[paxxton]

What about the Singularity instead of the Omega Point? It seems more Mass Effecty.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

hhaguy wrote...


I HAVE A DREAM...

I see a better possible beginning to Mass Effect 4.
That is to have the end to Mass Effect 3 to be all a bad dream, or Shepard just fighting off indoctrination.

No suprise...

Their are other factors that should be taken in to account.

The Citidel is a Mass Effect Relay, that was going to be used by the Reapers, so they could come from Dark Space to the Citidel.

ergo..

There has to be a large Mass Effect Relay like the Citidel, or Somthing in Dark Space like a Hive

That could cause the Reapers Greef if it were Changed or Destroyed.

And how would this Something In Dark Space be changed or distroyed in time? 

The answer is the Crucible, the Crucible's true purpose was not fully explained.

But it is connected to the Citidel and the Citidel purpose is a Mass Effect Relay to Dark Space.

I just thought that with this little change in the story,

it would allow the Writers more flexibility in writeing Mass Effect 4.

I know this may have already been thought of,  I just have not seen any posts with this kind of twist.

I have had similar thoughts and me and another guy on the forum who I sadly cant remember the name of (it was back in Mark II) compiled our ideas into what he called the Dark Space Theory.

Basicly our theory went that the Crucible is the Citadel Relays power source, like those glowing cores in the Relays. By keeping it seperate the Reaper insure it is much harder to learn the truth of the Citadel and each cycle wastes ressources building it.

Normally even if the Crucible was attached to the Citadel no non reaper ship could travel precisely through it due to experiencing so massive drifts that they would be lost in Dark Space. However as this cycle has aquired a Reaper IFF they could potentially travle through it and hit whatever is at the other end.

This is just the basics, got the whole theory written down, but dont have acess to the com it is on at the moment though.

I had a thought.  What if the Intelligence resides in Dark Space, and the Crucible is some kind of weapon that uses the Citadel relay to fire some kind of blast that would destroy the Intelligence, throwing the Reapers into disarray, but not outright disabling them completely since that would imply that they rely completely on the Intelligence for, well, intelligence, which would go against the, "Each a nation, independant (If memory serves)," Line from Sovvy back in ME1?  At that point, we could have a boss fight against Harby, which we've ALL wanted for a LONG time, and we could even have a boss fight with TIM on the Citadel while we're trying to activate the Crucible.  Wouldn't that be awesome?

Modifié par Dwailing, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Well, I will elaborate the Omega point theme in the books Hyperion and The Fall Of Hyperion:

**** SPOILER ****
So, the humans started to work on AIs and once uppon a time they were able to create sapient and self-aware AIs. These AIs (also called SI, IIRC) then emancipated from the humans (but not in a bloody manner) and collected themselves in the so called Techno Core, comparable with some kind of cyberspace with different entities. So you cannot directly compare it to a Consesus (like the Geth). They still cooperated with the humans and acted like councilors. They even had ambassadors and so on.
Then in the book, a huge conflict starts between the mainstream human faction and a ruge human faction that lives in outer space. In the end, it was all a hoax established by the Techno Core, whose prime objective was to create the so called HI (Highest Intelligence) and this is were the Omega point comes into play. To reach this, they ... deceive the humans and establish a new order/symbiosis between humans and machines (this is nothing obvious, you will have to read through both books to understand what they actually did) with the humans ... having advantages in this symbiosis, but not really knowing what is really happening to them. I don't want to go too much into details.
But the theme of the books is quite comparable with the theme of the ME trilogy and IT.

you know perfectly well, that this is only HALF of the story in relation to omega point. ))) And that it is the other half that makes it really similiar to ME story, especially the leviathan part of it. ))

Yeah, I was referring to Hyperion, The Fall Of Hyperion and Endymion (or how it is originally called). Well, the sequel that takes place in a ... theocracy. That's what I was referring to with symbiosis.
Alas, I read that novel.... I don't know, 6-10 years ago, so I have not everything in mind. Could you please refresh my  memory on that^^?

Modifié par Restrider, 09 septembre 2012 - 03:09 .

[demersel]

My initial point about the connection of ME3 story with the theory of Omega Point was this -
basicly Omega Point states that the meaning of human life ,and life in general is to evolve to the point it becomes god. (and that it is possible to achieve and inevitable over time). Leviathans already view themselves as pinnacle of life - they are not concerned about Omega point. But all other organics in the universe are! Creating synthetics - is a step on the way of reaching omega point. Once organics reach their omega point, and become gods - leviathans will not be able to use them as servants any more, and more so -they will have a problem with these gods. (cause it will not be their god's.) - so they created A.I. which prevents organics reaching Omega point, preserving organic life at all cost, (including preventing its transcention into Omega Poin) - keeping it at level of development, which they should not surpass. Using their techology to develop. unfortunatly reapers counted in leviathans as well, but besides from that they are doing exactly this.

What is the connection to hepyrion novels? Why, the connection is that it is exacly like the overall plot in Hyperion novels. Including using given technology to develop in certain ways, to deny you the possibility of reaching Omega point. (that was techno core's motivation overall).

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

Yeah, I was referring to Hyperion, The Fall Of Hyperion and Endymion (or how it is originally called). Well, the sequel that takes place in a ... theocracy. That's what I was referring to with symbiosis.
Alas, I read that novel.... I don't know, 6-10 years ago, so I have not everything in mind. Could you please refresh my  memory on that^^?

Techno core wanted to reach it's own Omega point first, while denying humanity the chance to reach theirs. (but they didn't know how to achieve it  so had to use humanity to find the answer to their quest, which was the only reason why they did not destroy humanity right away) - that's the overall plot of Hyperion novels. (and theocracy was just a new spin on techno core's control over humanity, instead of portals they used the crestoforms, to control and use them directly)

they had parasitic symbiosis right from the start - it was core of their nature, and their origin. 
Initially they used the portal network, but once it was destroyed, they switched to another, more direct and parasitic kind of synthesis, using crestoforms and host bodies as their hardware. 

Modifié par demersel, 09 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

What about the Singularity instead of the Omega Point? It seems more Mass Effecty.

it is the same thing. 
the Singularity that geth wanted to achieve - it was their Omega Point. 

[demersel]

Anyway, I just finished turning my laptop into a desctop rig, since by desctop is still being repaired, so...
Who's up for some PC Multiplayer to beat the challenge? Or just play fer friendly and fun games without using consumables?