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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Lokanaiya

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demersel wrote...

Anyway, I just finished turning my laptop into a desctop rig, since by desctop is still being repaired, so...
Who's up for some PC Multiplayer to beat the challenge? Or just play fer friendly and fun games without using consumables?


If you're still here, I'm up for it.

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Yes, as turns out i'm unable eve to solo bronze without comsumables. ))

#20503
Lokanaiya

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Soloing does take a lot of getting used to.

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I still need to do the squad challenge too.

lex0r11 is my Origin ID.

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Are you people playing silver or bonze?
Edit: Forgot ID: TevosisHot 

Modifié par Home run MF, 09 septembre 2012 - 04:41 .


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Lokanaiya

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Bronze. And we're having trouble joining each other's games, so if either of you feel like hosting, it would be great.

My Origin ID is Kavrea.

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 09 septembre 2012 - 04:42 .


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demersel wrote...

My initial point about the connection of ME3 story with the theory of Omega Point was this -
basicly Omega Point states that the meaning of human life ,and life in general is to evolve to the point it becomes god. (and that it is possible to achieve and inevitable over time). Leviathans already view themselves as pinnacle of life - they are not concerned about Omega point. But all other organics in the universe are! Creating synthetics - is a step on the way of reaching omega point. Once organics reach their omega point, and become gods - leviathans will not be able to use them as servants any more, and more so -they will have a problem with these gods. (cause it will not be their god's.) - so they created A.I. which prevents organics reaching Omega point, preserving organic life at all cost, (including preventing its transcention into Omega Poin) - keeping it at level of development, which they should not surpass. Using their techology to develop. unfortunatly reapers counted in leviathans as well, but besides from that they are doing exactly this.

What is the connection to hepyrion novels? Why, the connection is that it is exacly like the overall plot in Hyperion novels. Including using given technology to develop in certain ways, to deny you the possibility of reaching Omega point. (that was techno core's motivation overall).


Hmmm....this really goes well with the idea that the Leviathans never lost control and are purposely eliminating races before they can reach to the level the Leviathans are. So the Leviathans sorta lie to Shepard...

Just an idea. If true...implications are interesting. 2 big plots are going on at the same time. The Leviathans are the true masters of the Reapers and the Reapers are manipulating/decieving Shepard (IT Plot). 

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They are not so much as master, then, it's like they are more or less fine with what is going on, unless it does not impact them. ) They are sad, that they almost got wiped out, but their over all plan works, and they can live in peace. (unless someone fionds them and tells the reapers where to find them)

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 So assuming that the Indoctriantion Theory is 100% true, everything that happens after the beam is all in Shepard's head and it's all just Harbinger trying to indoctrinate him/her...

What do you suppose happens to Shepard once they've been indoctrinated? Say Destroy is the correct path to break free of Harbinger's control, what do you think the outcome of Control or Synthesis would be if it's all a dream? Would Harbinger really let Shepard control the Reapers? Would Shepard just wake up to discover they've become a husk? Or does Shepard just die?

Would Control and Synthesis essentially lead to the same outcome of Shepard being indoctrinated? Anyone have any guesses?

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I'm still hoping for a Critical mission failure screen after picking control or synthesis :P

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They could still use IT to bring Shep into ME4. Come on EA, put that greed to good work! Shep wakes up, gets to crucible as Reapers attack it, manages to activate it but it only manages a small blast radius before overloading from the Reaper inflicted damage. Crucible manages to take out about half the Reapers before it's destroyed. Reapers return to dark space to regroup.

Threat is temporarily stopped, but Reapers will return soon


Edit: This obviously works with Shep dead too. New protagonist in me4 while still being in this cycle would be ok by me. Me4: Leviathan try to regain control, galaxy figjts back, Reapers take advantage of the chaos to attack, galaxy fihhting two fronts

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:47 .


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Mikey- wrote...

 So assuming that the Indoctriantion Theory is 100% true, everything that happens after the beam is all in Shepard's head and it's all just Harbinger trying to indoctrinate him/her...

What do you suppose happens to Shepard once they've been indoctrinated? Say Destroy is the correct path to break free of Harbinger's control, what do you think the outcome of Control or Synthesis would be if it's all a dream? Would Harbinger really let Shepard control the Reapers? Would Shepard just wake up to discover they've become a husk? Or does Shepard just die?

Would Control and Synthesis essentially lead to the same outcome of Shepard being indoctrinated? Anyone have any guesses?


Shepard becomes Harbinger's ****

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 @ Demersel,
I find this Omega point highly interesting considering your find of the novels on the Devs desk. I commend you for this find! I'm off to find a copy of the novels. 
Also, do you work for Bioware and are really here to drop clues??  :P

Modifié par Ace7, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:25 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Mikey- wrote...

 So assuming that the Indoctriantion Theory is 100% true, everything that happens after the beam is all in Shepard's head and it's all just Harbinger trying to indoctrinate him/her...

What do you suppose happens to Shepard once they've been indoctrinated? Say Destroy is the correct path to break free of Harbinger's control, what do you think the outcome of Control or Synthesis would be if it's all a dream? Would Harbinger really let Shepard control the Reapers? Would Shepard just wake up to discover they've become a husk? Or does Shepard just die?

Would Control and Synthesis essentially lead to the same outcome of Shepard being indoctrinated? Anyone have any guesses?


Shepard becomes Harbinger's ****


Yeah this ^.

It's the heart of the indoctrination theory. Essentially a critical failure, as Norlond just put it.

Modifié par Ace7, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:28 .


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Home run MF wrote...

Are you people playing silver or bonze?
Edit: Forgot ID: TevosisHot 

Hahahahaha! That's great! Anyway Hello everyone, my power was out, so it may go back out at any point...

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Home run MF wrote...

Are you people playing silver or bonze?
Edit: Forgot ID: TevosisHot 

Lol, I played a few games with someone called TevosIsHot... usually going amok with melee attacks in the time between waves.
My ID is: Humblegar

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TJBartlemus

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Are you people playing silver or bonze?
Edit: Forgot ID: TevosisHot 

Hahahahaha! That's great! Anyway Hello everyone, my power was out, so it may go back out at any point...


Ahhhh....power going out for hours at a time. Got to love those. <_< Expecially when it is for a week and have no generator. Anyway, what's up Banshee??

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TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Are you people playing silver or bonze?
Edit: Forgot ID: TevosisHot 

Hahahahaha! That's great! Anyway Hello everyone, my power was out, so it may go back out at any point...


Ahhhh....power going out for hours at a time. Got to love those. <_< Expecially when it is for a week and have no generator. Anyway, what's up Banshee??

Not much. I need to get around to beating my playthrough on PC though, and get FRAPS so I can record awesome videos. What about you? Oh, did you read my wall of text? Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:52 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Not much. I need to get around to beating my playthrough on PC though, and get FRAPS so I can record awesome videos. What about you? Oh, did you read my wall of text? Posted Image


Yeah I read that. Quite interesting. Not much going on here either. Planning on working on the WNT video or just going to hang out here for a bit. 

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byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The Reapers are the greatest reveal, yes.  Not the fact that Saren has an uber powerful ship.  That was established all the way back on Eden Prime.  IIRC there was even some "WTF?  A ship that big can't enter an atmosphere... what... what the hell is that thing?!" dialogue.  Hell, the survivors talked more about Sovereign than they did about the geth that actually attacked them.


Speaking of when everyone said Sovereign shouldnt be able to enter the atmosphere, why was he the only Reaper to leave the entire area scorched as well as a huge smoke trail and tons of weird red lightning when it took off?

I think I said something about this before. Why is it that in ME1, the ground is sorched when Sovereign leaves, but in Control and Synthesis they just fly away gracefully? It looks so surreal, but I think that's partly because of one other thing no one has mentioned before: The music is slightly different in destroy than the other 2. Listen to destroy, and you will hear only music.
In synthesis and control, you will hear a creepy space-like tone when they leave that just sounds so surreal. So, is it a plothole, an oversight, or a hint? You decide!

Sorry, I can't link the videos right now, my youtube isn't working properly :( Does anyone know how to fix the bug on youtube where it keeps saying you need flash even though you don't? I think it's a bug with ads only, because I can't watch videos with ads and the only videos I can watch don't have any.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Sorry, I can't link the videos right now, my youtube isn't working properly :( Does anyone know how to fix the bug on youtube where it keeps saying you need flash even though you don't? I think it's a bug with ads only, because I can't watch videos with ads and the only videos I can watch don't have any.


Try a different browser. That's how I fixed my problem with YT. One day it stopped being able to play videos so I just switched to Google Chrome and I haven't had a problem since.

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BansheeOwnage

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TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Sorry, I can't link the videos right now, my youtube isn't working properly :( Does anyone know how to fix the bug on youtube where it keeps saying you need flash even though you don't? I think it's a bug with ads only, because I can't watch videos with ads and the only videos I can watch don't have any.


Try a different browser. That's how I fixed my problem with YT. One day it stopped being able to play videos so I just switched to Google Chrome and I haven't had a problem since.

Thanks, I may do that. I'm just waiting for now; I've heard this problem can fix itself over time.

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Ace7 wrote...

 @ Demersel,
I find this Omega point highly interesting considering your find of the novels on the Devs desk. I commend you for this find! I'm off to find a copy of the novels. 
Also, do you work for Bioware and are really here to drop clues??  :P


Sorry, for spoiling you whole 4 volumes worth of read then...
And no, sadly I do not work for Bioware....^_^

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demersel wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

 @ Demersel,
I find this Omega point highly interesting considering your find of the novels on the Devs desk. I commend you for this find! I'm off to find a copy of the novels. 
Also, do you work for Bioware and are really here to drop clues??  :P


Sorry, for spoiling you whole 4 volumes worth of read then...
And no, sadly I do not work for Bioware....^_^


If someone in this thread did work for Bioware, who would it be, and who would they actually be?
I'm obviously Evil-Chris Priestly Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage

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xD