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[TheConstantOne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@BansheeOwnage- Nice catch with control also controlling EDI and the geth. I didn't even think of that possible outcome regarding that dicision. (However you spell dicision)

It's "decision" and thanks. I also caught something else about EDI, if you missed it.

EDI: Objective Symbology
I’m actually very surprised no one has brought this up before, (or at least not that I’ve seen) but whatever, I will.

So basically, the first time I played through ME3 I was all like:

“Huh. EDI’s visor is orange/red, and Eva’s was blue. That’s weird. Most colour symbology has the opposite colours. Whatever.”

After seeing the extended cut however, it became blatantly obvious. The colour of her visor reflects her goals – her objectives. Dr. Eva was in TIM’s control, and TIM wanted control. After EDI takes over the body, it changes to destroy’s colour. Likewise, in the EC, if you pick synthesis it changes to green, the colour of synthesis. What is so interesting about that though, is that you have to have beaten the game to notice it. Yet more evidence that Bioware is not bad at writing, or implementing subtleties. In my opinion, this also supports that EDI indeed favours destroy, even though it includes her death in a literal ending, since if she didn’t, why is it orange? Meaning, if the writers didn’t want her to favour destroy, why is it orange?

What do you all think of this?

Very good observation!  This implies that the endings are definitely being pushed to have symbolic meaning.

On the note of symbolism, has anyone noticed that the geth slide in the control ending kind gives off the impression that the Reapers are contolling the geth?  Just the way that the Reaper is portrayed in the background seems...ominous.  I brought this up before but the thought never seemed to get much traction.

If taken literally, this makes control a little worse, in my opinion

Edit: Wow, I haven't been on top in ages! Feels good

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 10 septembre 2012 - 02:22 .

[D.Sharrah]

As far as the EC affect on "canon" choice...none. Although I played through every option at least once to see the "differences". I must admit that Destroy was the last choice I made the first time - but it was the first to sit well with me (and that wasn't because of the breath scene).

I will say this...at one point I was trying to an uber renegade playthrough (one that I could see agreeing with both the Illusive Man and the Starchild), and post EC, control is the choice that feels right with that playthrough. I do not think I have been able to roleplay a single character that would pick synthesis...

[TJBartlemus]

Gwyphon wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lots of pictures 
I need to go, so speculations for everyone:

What does everyone make of the Forerunner Prothean Omniblade(?) city?

I was always confused that the most amazing pictures were not featured in the game (like this one). Makes me believe that there's a significant DLC coming eventually.

Actually it was in game. It's a slide in the Synthesis EC ending. Still want it now?  I so think this slide shoulda been in destroy...something to give a bit of hope you know?

Banshee - Just watched high EMS Synthesis again and a couple things got me. EDI in the end actually mentions Shepard which is not in the other 2...it was something like "...and we will remember Shepard." Also did you know that in Synthesis your armor glows like your skin? Does that mean that your armor is sentient?? 

It does look sorta tempting as a choice. Everything is ideal. Then I remember not to stare into the abyss to long and I'm alright again. 

[D.Sharrah]

@ConstantOne: I think that is a very fair point...and in most cases I think it would provide another reason to avoid control...

But as I said in my post above, there is at least one playthrough where I see control as the right choice for my Shepard - and in that case, my Shepard would absolutely have no problem controlling the Geth. I think it all comes down to how you want to "play" Shepard. For me, the majority of the time I would completely agree.

[D.Sharrah]

@TJBartlemus: Synthesis to me feels too good to be true. Its so ideal, so utopian that I can't help but to feel like there is something wrong...

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

In a word: yes. Unless you count this as foreshadowing. I mean, it looks like Shepard is controlling the reapers.

How does it look like Shepard is controlling them?  If anything it looks like they are controlling HIM. If you look closely there are dark tendrils (Indoctrination tendrils) surrounding Shepard...foreshadowing IT. The red is foreshadowing to choose red (destroy). 

[401 Kill]

D.Sharrah wrote...

I'm still mad that they continue to keep their apps off Windows Phone...hopefully Windows 8 will change that...

Back on Topic: Not sure if the pic is supposed to reveal anything or not...I always thought it was just supposed to look cool. But if it was planned to have a meaning that is just absolutely devious...after all, speculations for everyone!

Yes... Bioware does indeed have interesting pictures... Like the hand pulling another out of the rubble... Their pictures sure can be interpreted a variety of ways.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 10 septembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[BleedingUranium]

Hey everyone! I was looking for the Leviathan soundtrack today, and found that one of the tracks - the main theme and the only one BW released no less - does not appear in-game. I also realised that the end of the DLC has no music at all, kind of like London. It feels... odd.

Then I had an idea, what if that track was supposed to be at the end, but was cut for unknown reasons? It turns out that, as far as I can tell, it almost certainly was.

While this isn't strictly IT related, I used the same logic to figure this out. It's not confirmed to be cut, but it fits sooo perfectly, I don't really see an alternative.

So, I made a video of it. Note that this is not my playthrough.


On an IT related topic, Leviathan seems to show a bit more about refuse. That scene where Levi leaves the illusion for a second, and Shepard looks around confused, that looks just like Refuse. So, how I see refuse now is basically the same as "Limbo" in Inception. It's Shepard failing to break out of the dream, so (s)he's left stuck inside, and thus, doesn't wake up.

IT itself is pretty much like Inception too, come to think of it. Everyone seems to forget that "inception" does not refer to dreams within dreams, but the act of planting an idea in someone's mind, so that they think it's their own. So, the Reapers are trying with Shepard, like everyone, to plant an idea in his/her mind. In refuse, you don't so anything, you give up, and get stuck in limbo. In the real world to everyone else, you'd be in a coma. In Control/Synthesis, the idea sticks. While in Destroy, whether you know it's an illusion or not, you reject the idea.

[TJBartlemus]

 Good examples that are similar to the foreshadow poster. (Both by BioWare) Notice the main enemy is always at the top center. 

http://t0.gstatic.co...yzzPppMaV97DLA 

[401 Kill]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Good examples that are similar to the foreshadow poster. (Both by BioWare) Notice the main enemy is always at the top 

Malak eventually convinces Bastila that he (the dark side) is right though.

[demersel]

Yeah, and that selkath Han solo did play such an important and memprable part. And he was SOOOO funny. I like it when a cheracter is cunning and smart, and knows it.

[TheConstantOne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

@ConstantOne: I think that is a very fair point...and in most cases I think it would provide another reason to avoid control...

But as I said in my post above, there is at least one playthrough where I see control as the right choice for my Shepard - and in that case, my Shepard would absolutely have no problem controlling the Geth. I think it all comes down to how you want to "play" Shepard. For me, the majority of the time I would completely agree.

This is quite true.  I was speaking in terms of my own morals and not a roleplayed Shepard's morals.

Most of the time I go with a Paragon Shepard as that fits my moral view but...I do have an extreme Renegade that...killed Mordin and Wrex.  Wow, that was literally painful just to type

[byne]

TheConstantOne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@ConstantOne: I think that is a very fair point...and in most cases I think it would provide another reason to avoid control...

But as I said in my post above, there is at least one playthrough where I see control as the right choice for my Shepard - and in that case, my Shepard would absolutely have no problem controlling the Geth. I think it all comes down to how you want to "play" Shepard. For me, the majority of the time I would completely agree.

This is quite true.  I was speaking in terms of my own morals and not a roleplayed Shepard's morals.

Most of the time I go with a Paragon Shepard as that fits my moral view but...I do have an extreme Renegade that...killed Mordin and Wrex.  Wow, that was literally painful just to type

Hopefully your extreme renegade didnt pick synthesis.

Mine did, and it cured the genophage anyways, meaning Mordin and Wrex's deaths were absolutely meaningless.

[GethPrimeMKII]

byne wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@ConstantOne: I think that is a very fair point...and in most cases I think it would provide another reason to avoid control...

But as I said in my post above, there is at least one playthrough where I see control as the right choice for my Shepard - and in that case, my Shepard would absolutely have no problem controlling the Geth. I think it all comes down to how you want to "play" Shepard. For me, the majority of the time I would completely agree.

This is quite true.  I was speaking in terms of my own morals and not a roleplayed Shepard's morals.

Most of the time I go with a Paragon Shepard as that fits my moral view but...I do have an extreme Renegade that...killed Mordin and Wrex.  Wow, that was literally painful just to type

Hopefully your extreme renegade didnt pick synthesis.

Mine did, and it cured the genophage anyways, meaning Mordin and Wrex's deaths were absolutely meaningless.

Wouldn't it be reasonable for forced genetic perfection to be able to undo forced sterilization?

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

In a word: yes. Unless you count this as foreshadowing. I mean, it looks like Shepard is controlling the reapers.

How does it look like Shepard is controlling them?  If anything it looks like they are controlling HIM. If you look closely there are dark tendrils (Indoctrination tendrils) surrounding Shepard...foreshadowing IT. The red is foreshadowing to choose red (destroy). 

They are trolling you! And Harbinger obviously tries to eat Shepard's brain!

Modifié par paxxton, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:09 .

[byne]

Speaking of synthesis, I find it interesting that synthesis and control both appeal to Shepard's ego.

"You're so special that only you can control us!"
"You're so special that you're the best example of life in the galaxy! Jump into this beam and spead your awesomeness!"

[byne]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

byne wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@ConstantOne: I think that is a very fair point...and in most cases I think it would provide another reason to avoid control...

But as I said in my post above, there is at least one playthrough where I see control as the right choice for my Shepard - and in that case, my Shepard would absolutely have no problem controlling the Geth. I think it all comes down to how you want to "play" Shepard. For me, the majority of the time I would completely agree.

This is quite true.  I was speaking in terms of my own morals and not a roleplayed Shepard's morals.

Most of the time I go with a Paragon Shepard as that fits my moral view but...I do have an extreme Renegade that...killed Mordin and Wrex.  Wow, that was literally painful just to type

Hopefully your extreme renegade didnt pick synthesis.

Mine did, and it cured the genophage anyways, meaning Mordin and Wrex's deaths were absolutely meaningless.

Wouldn't it be reasonable for forced genetic perfection to be able to undo forced sterilization?

Sure, Space Magic can do whatever the hell it wants.

Doesnt stop it from being monumentally stupid.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Speaking of synthesis, I find it interesting that synthesis and control both appeal to Shepard's ego.

"You're so special that only you can control us!"
"You're so special that you're the best example of life in the galaxy! Jump into this beam and spead your awesomeness!"

That is interesting

Also, everyone watch my video!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:12 .

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Also, everyone watch my video!

How much I miss ME1... And that's a perfect description of what we're doing here.

EDIT: It's about the video with Liara in your sig.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Also, everyone watch my video!

How much I miss ME1... And that's a perfect description of what we're doing here.

Oh, I meant the one I posted up the page a bit  But the Liara one is cool too

[401 Kill]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Speaking of synthesis, I find it interesting that synthesis and control both appeal to Shepard's ego.

"You're so special that only you can control us!"
"You're so special that you're the best example of life in the galaxy! Jump into this beam and spead your awesomeness!"

That is interesting

Also, everyone watch my video!

That's how the villains always get ya. Yes, the music should've been included but for some reason it isn't.

[TJBartlemus]

 Just posting again for those who missed it. This is mainly for good artists but it can apply to anyone with editing skills on the computer. (People who create graphics and such.)

http://social.biowar...87/blog/221194/

[BleedingUranium]

401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Speaking of synthesis, I find it interesting that synthesis and control both appeal to Shepard's ego.

"You're so special that only you can control us!"
"You're so special that you're the best example of life in the galaxy! Jump into this beam and spead your awesomeness!"

That is interesting

Also, everyone watch my video!

That's how the villains always get ya. Yes, the music should've been included but for some reason it isn't.

It's so much more epic with the music too

401 Kill, is your name a Rise Against reference?

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:21 .

[401 Kill]

Yes it is. BansheeOwnage picked up on that too.

[TJBartlemus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Speaking of synthesis, I find it interesting that synthesis and control both appeal to Shepard's ego.

"You're so special that only you can control us!"
"You're so special that you're the best example of life in the galaxy! Jump into this beam and spead your awesomeness!"

That is interesting

Also, everyone watch my video!

That's how the villains always get ya. Yes, the music should've been included but for some reason it isn't.

It's so much more epic with the music too

401 Kill, is your name a Rise Against reference?

That's why I felt the Leviathan DLC was missing something!!! With that I would of been a bit more like "That was cool." Without it was just...meh.