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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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demersel wrote...

Maybe it's Shepard's birthday?

I think it's sometime in April or May. Exactly April 11th 2154.

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demersel wrote...

Really, no response to ME3 being a dark abyss which you need to get through thin ledge, to fight the real fight?

What post?

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Norlond wrote...

We are the last sane thread in an insane forum (you heard that line somewhere else ;))


Katawa Shoujo.

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dorktainian wrote...

does anyone think bioware is clever enough to actually pull IT off?


Gee, I don't know... how come there is a scene right in the beginning of ME3 where shepard might have just died a stupid and pointless death, because of his loss focus, for a moment, and how it might relate the IT interpretation of the endings... 

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paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Really, no response to ME3 being a dark abyss which you need to get through thin ledge, to fight the real fight?

What post?


this one 
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/830#14055264

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Thanks guys.

Arian, I may not know you as much as my brother, but I can certainly tell that everyone in here likes you, me included. Don't even think for one moment that 'tis not so.

Modifié par estebanus, 10 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .


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dorktainian wrote...

does anyone think bioware is clever enough to actually pull IT off?

Yes.

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dorktainian wrote...

does anyone think bioware is clever enough to actually pull IT off?

clever? Yes.
 However, I think they're too deluded about their own greatness to see the obvious flaws in the endings.

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Hi guys. On behalf of the lurkers just wanted to say that this is still the best thread on the BSN. The enthusiasm you guys have for finding clues is infections, and a welcome break from the negativity on the other threads.

@Arian - Sorry to hear you're feeling down. I remember you were very welcoming when I first started posting on the IT thread. We need more of your famous walls o'text!

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Demersel: Good post, are you saying the 3 represents me3 or the decision chamber?

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Eryri wrote...

Hi guys. On behalf of the lurkers just wanted to say that this is still the best thread on the BSN. The enthusiasm you guys have for finding clues is infections, and a welcome break from the negativity on the other threads.

@Arian - Sorry to hear you're feeling down. I remember you were very welcoming when I first started posting on the IT thread. We need more of your famous walls o'text!

Why exactly is he feeling down? Did something happen to him or his family?

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Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out

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Eryri wrote...

Hi guys. On behalf of the lurkers just wanted to say that this is still the best thread on the BSN. The enthusiasm you guys have for finding clues is infections, and a welcome break from the negativity on the other threads.


As someone who's been lurking very intensely, I want to add some credence to this compliment. :)

You guys rule. You make so much more sense to me than the rest of this board. Also... I'mabelievernow. Leviathan parallels sealed it for me. Now, as you were. *runs*

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Demersel: Good post, are you saying the 3 represents me3 or the decision chamber?


ME3 in general. They even marketed it as just a 3 in a red square, distinct font and all. 

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estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Thanks guys.

Arian, I may not know you as much as my brother, but I can certainly tell that everyone in here likes you, me included. Don't even think for one moment that 'tis not so.


W00t? You're not estebanus? Hello estebanus' brother/sister!

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm not going to say who or what, but, I think either a couple of friendships I had here never meant anything at all, or they've been shattered by a stupid ****ing videogame.

Beware of selfishness : everyone think about themselves first, usually, and especially on the internet. Do not put too much hopes in a land where no one needs to prove his worth!

Friends come and go, even lovers and parents. I wish you can believe you are never alone, even in the coldest place and darkest moment. Stick to that belief, and take strength into that.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 10 septembre 2012 - 06:00 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Thanks guys.

Arian, I may not know you as much as my brother, but I can certainly tell that everyone in here likes you, me included. Don't even think for one moment that 'tis not so.


W00t? You're not estebanus? Hello estebanus' brother/sister!

Sister. Hello!

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Flog61 wrote...

Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out

I think that her scene is really well-done.

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Flog61 wrote...

Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out


I always kind of found the sex scenes in KS to be sort of awkward. I feel they could have left them out and the story wouldnt have suffered much.

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estebanus wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out

I think that her scene is really well-done.


The description of the blood?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

... hi guys.

Does my friendship still mean anything to any of you?


Arian, if you're still here to read this: you've consistently been one of the most awesome people in the thread. Whenever you're here, the thread is better.

You're awesome and dont you ever forget that.

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byne wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out


I always kind of found the sex scenes in KS to be sort of awkward. I feel they could have left them out and the story wouldnt have suffered much.

Honestly, I think they're actually supposed to be awkward. I mean, it's always the first time for Hisao and his partner in each route, I think, and I can tell you: the first time is always awkward.

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demersel wrote...

My mind is blown. 

  I was rewatching bioware pulse episodes, when something hit me. 

I'm sure we all can agree that ME3 is heavy on symbolism. 
So I was always buffled by a scene in the prologe, with Shepard and Anderson, while they make their way throught the rubble. And the moment Anderson catches Shepard. Why show this? They could have put anything there - why put this and nothing but this? I was never sure, as to what I as a player am supposed to carry out of this scene in relation to the story I'm about to be told (prologue is exposition, exposition is setting the general tone and rules the story is going to play out). What is the message? What is such a crucial piece of info, that it is this particular scene, and only this? 
 I summ up - i could not understand what is it telling me exactly, just like i was buflled by the dreams later in game. Sure they mean something, but what? What am i supposed to feel? 

And then i thought about it this way - what is literally happening? 

Shepard and Anderson are making their way through the mess and chaos and destruction created by reaper invasion, trying to figure out the way to go about thing from now on, and how to deal with this whole situation, to solve it. (that's in the actual dialoge). While doing so they come to a chasm, leading to a dark bottomless pit, with only a thin and treachereous ledge to to cross it. To cross it they need resolve, focus, peresecerance, patience, agility, caution and awerness. Shepard leads the way but is to hasty, and looses grip, and nealry falls into the pit, but at the last moment Anderson holds him, helps him maintain balance, and get his grip back - prevents him from falliing into a dark bottom. They then continue more carefully, and safely cross over which allows them to continue on their way, and fight some real fights.


That is what literally happens there!
And the best part of it - right before Shepard trips, there is a wide shot of the area, giving you a view from above - ands it turnes out the area where this dark bottomless pit, to cross which they require 
resolve, focus, peresecerance, patience, agility, caution and awerness - it has a name! On the wall right across the chasm - there is a huge Number 3 in a distinct ME3 title style!

Here - i made a screen shot of it - 
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and here is the link to the source video, you can find it at 5.13 mark there.
masseffect.bioware.com/videos/video/1ebd676a117f893ecdf71eded065820b

Edit: Not to mention that this whole scene has an overall "this time i was there to catch you, but next time i might not be around to do it, so you'll have to watch your step." vibe to it.  

I've got a different interpretation. Shepard says that he owes Anderson one. That means he should pay the debt at some moment in the future. It's a form of mental loan given to Shepard by Anderson so that he remembers who's on his side.

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Flog61 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out

I think that her scene is really well-done.


The description of the blood?


Wasnt that like just a single line?

'Tis also what happens when its a girl's first time.

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byne wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Speaking of katawa shoujo, I did the lilly sex scene the other day and was pretty much completely freaked out

I think that her scene is really well-done.


The description of the blood?


Wasnt that like just a single line?

'Tis also what happens when its a girl's first time.

yup.