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[RavenEyry]

demersel wrote...


I have not played MW2.

Me neither, just for the record.

[Ace7]

Guys! the evidence list is shaping up pretty good. Has Vega been mentioned on it and the humming noise on the Normandy?

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

The thing is, we already have an example of unlimited ammo in ME3.  In the beginning, on Earth, the Predator you start with starts with no ammo gauge, and you can reload an infinite number of times.  However, that does NOT mean that you can FIRE an infinite number of times.  That's unique to the endings.  My question is this: if you already have the scripting for unlimited reloads, why did you take the time to make a new script for COMPLETELY unlimited ammo AND an out of character (So to speak.) reload for that weapon if you're supposedly SO lazy with your design of the endings?

The thing is - the end of unlimited ammo in the beginning comes as a sort of a wake up call to you - it's like "Wow! I ran out! quess i'll have to just panch them now!"   
It is like in the beginning, after being knocked out by the explosion, shepard himself is oblivious to the fact that his pistol in fact has finitive ammo, and then the reality hits him. 

I don't think the unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3 was indicative of a hallucination of some sort.  You know what, I don't just think, I'm CERTAIN that it isn't indicative of any kind of indoctrination hallucination.

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

demersel wrote...


I have not played MW2.

Me neither, just for the record.

I've played it.  I enjoyed it, but it suffers from Call of Duty-itis, just like all the post World at War entries.

[SubAstris]

demersel wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Everyone wants to see the end of the Reaper threat, the endings taken literally don't deny that in any way. That's what all the quotes basically amount to

I can partially agree with this statement. 
Literal Destroy does not deny them that. Control, Synthesis and Refuse - not so much. In Fact, just the opposite - they DO deny them that. 

In the EC endings, Control means Shepard has, surprise surprise, control of the Reaper as shown by the slides (Reapers seen re-building the Citadel), Synthesis likewise.

In fact, Refuse is the only option that doesn't guarantee an immediate end to the Reaper threat. In a literal interpretation

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...
I don't think the unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3 was indicative of a hallucination of some sort.  You know what, I don't just think, I'm CERTAIN that it isn't indicative of any kind of indoctrination hallucination.

Say it five more times, as loud as you can - so you can convince yourself. )))

[pseudonymic]

This is a list of the most important questions that need to be answered:

1. Are the reapers still following the orders of their creator, the AI?
2. Are the AI and/or the reapers unshackled?
3. What is the purpose of the Crucible and who inveted it?
4. Where/When does the breath scene take place? 
5. Is Leviathan lying about what it really knows? 

 

this is a list of all IT evidence to date:

- child running into a locked door
 - reaper noise when shepard talks to kid 
- ventboy appearing alive after explosion
- no one noticing/helping child when he climbs on alliance transporter
- warning signs wherever child appeared
- dream sequences with oily shadows, whispers, shepard chasing ventboy
- shepard complains of headaches
- indoctrination codex entry
- white fade in/outs whenever something dream-like occurs
- anderson being nowhere near shepard during the beam run
- harbinger not shooting down the normandy
- remark about the citadel looking like collector's base (pulled from memory)
- shepard hearing radio comm even though his/her armor is gone
- ashley and kaiden bodies only throughout citadel
- 1 m1 
-  anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him
- shepard bleeding from the same place he/she supposedly shot anderson
- mysterious elevator ride up to the catalyst
- control cut scene associated with TIM, destroy with anderson
- gun changing before and after the destroy explosion
- breath scene in destroy, official shepard lives
- saren advocating synthesis
- TIM advocating control 
- Coat's corpse on the Citadel (only seen with flycam though)
- "SO BE IT" (Starbrat obviously siding with reapers)
- Catalyst/AI using image of the kid (so they are messing with your mind, even in a literal POV) 
- the discussion between TIM and Anderson being directed to Shepard (eye contact confirms this)
- Arrival DLC (Object Rho and especially dialogue with Harbinger saying sth like "Your mind will be ours!")
- the beam not killing Shepard, though it certainly is able to oneshot gunships 
- the relay explosions start at the wrong place
- the rachni queen's description of indoctrination and the black tentacle things creeping across the screen in the TIM scene
- unlimited ammo after shepard is knocked down in beam run
- shepard's constant exposure to reaper artifacts
- no HUD in the ending at all, only other instance are dreams
- rana thanoptis registered case of indoctrination and description of her case very much like shepard's symptoms (and same length of exposure)
- shepard going from barely able to move to acting like she/he hasn't been hurt when going toward device 
- vega asking about humming noise on the normandy

Ace7 wrote...

Guys! the evidence list is shaping up pretty good. Has Vega been mentioned on it and the humming noise on the Normandy?

 

it has now! 

Modifié par pseudonymic, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[Ace7]

 shweeet.  

Are you continuing the list of primary questions alongside the evidence list?

Modifié par Ace7, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:08 .

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Who hasn't played MW2!

Essentially, after falling down a massive waterfall, you wake up (in fact the more I think about, the more it actually seems like a dream) on dry land, pick yourself up with knife in hand and staggering towards the main antagonist, ironically called Shepherd. The omnipresent HUD is nowhere to be seen

I have not played MW2. ))
And from the way you yourself describe it - it sounds like it could be a dream-like sequence. 

So you'd have to find another examples to prove your point. 


And you only mentioned knife - it's kind of not what an unlimited ammo gun means. ))

Well, the post-waterfall sequence was not a dream, the sequel confirms it (Unless you're going to tell me that MW3 was a dream, too. ).

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
I don't think the unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3 was indicative of a hallucination of some sort.  You know what, I don't just think, I'm CERTAIN that it isn't indicative of any kind of indoctrination hallucination.

Say it five more times, as loud as you can - so you can convince yourself. )))

Look, not EVERYTHING that is not completely realistic (So to speak.) in ME3 is evidence of a hallucination or indoctrination.  To assume that would be to reinforce the belief among many Literalists that we're all a bunch of paranoid conspiracy nuts. 

[pseudonymic]

Ace7 wrote...

 shweeet.  

Are you continuing the list of primary questions alongside the evidence list?

hadn't taken on that, i thought someone else was on it but i certainly can. lemme fish for it and add it to the post.

[demersel]

SubAstris wrote...

In the EC endings, Control means Shepard has, surprise surprise, control of the Reaper as shown by the slides (Reapers seen re-building the Citadel), Synthesis likewise.

In fact, Refuse is the only option that doesn't guarantee an immediate end to the Reaper threat. In a literal interpretation

Why would the reapers stop the harvest in synthesis? They are synthesis of a sorts themselfves, and they do the whole harvest thing to build more reapers. So....Why stop? 

Point is - the slides could be a dream as well. They don't tell you any knew info. 
It just goes like this:
Pick control to control reapers, and rebuild the galaxy using them (oh, you did? Guess what - here are some slides - after you pick control - you control all the reapers and rebuild galaxy using them) 
Pick synthesis to somehow make eternal peace (oh, you did? Guess what - here are some slides - after you pick synthesis - it is immidiatly peace everywhere for all times to come)
Pick destroy to destroy all reapers, geth, and EDI. so the galaxy can be free and rebuild on its own. (Oh you did? Guess what - here are some slides - after you pick destroy - reapers, geth and EDI are destroyed, and the galaxy can be free and rebuild on its own)

You see my point? 

[Ace7]

pseudonymic wrote...

- breath scene in destroy, official shepard lives

I like how we are taking this as official. .   haha...take that Bioware .

*does air karate chop*

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

Look, not EVERYTHING that is not completely realistic (So to speak.) in ME3 is evidence of a hallucination or indoctrination.  To assume that would be to reinforce the belief among many Literalists that we're all a bunch of paranoid conspiracy nuts. 

Now, say THAT five times out loud 

[Ace7]

pseudonymic wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

 shweeet.  

Are you continuing the list of primary questions alongside the evidence list?

hadn't taken on that, i thought someone else was on it but i certainly can. lemme fish for it and add it to the post.

Oh no, I thought that was you. Don't worry, the evidence list could provide you with plenty to do without having to take on more.

[pseudonymic]

Ace7 wrote...

Oh no, I thought that was you. Don't worry, the evidence list could provide you with plenty to do without having to take on more.

too late.  got the questions added to the same post.

so y'all start asking!

[Dwailing]

Huh, I wonder what this is all about: http://twitter.com/G...303065874399233

[Norlond]

Norlond wrote...
Apparently, "the team had a big victory this weekend"
Is he talking about the Op or work on DLC?

[SubAstris]

demersel wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

In the EC endings, Control means Shepard has, surprise surprise, control of the Reaper as shown by the slides (Reapers seen re-building the Citadel), Synthesis likewise.

In fact, Refuse is the only option that doesn't guarantee an immediate end to the Reaper threat. In a literal interpretation

Why would the reapers stop the harvest in synthesis? They are synthesis of a sorts themselfves, and they do the whole harvest thing to build more reapers. So....Why stop? 

Point is - the slides could be a dream as well. They don't tell you any knew info. 
It just goes like this:
Pick control to control reapers, and rebuild the galaxy using them (oh, you did? Guess what - here are some slides - after you pick control - you control all the reapers and rebuild galaxy using them) 
Pick synthesis to somehow make eternal peace (oh, you did? Guess what - here are some slides - after you pick synthesis - it is immidiatly peace everywhere for all times to come)
Pick destroy to destroy all reapers, geth, and EDI. so the galaxy can be free and rebuild on its own. (Oh you did? Guess what - here are some slides - after you pick destroy - reapers, geth and EDI are destroyed, and the galaxy can be free and rebuild on its own)

You see my point? 

Because the Reapers don't have any purpose any more to carry out the harvest.

They could well be a dream, but that's just begging the question... Anyway I'm not really interested in that, I was just responding to someone who said that destroy is the only real viable option because everyone anti-Reaper supports it, thus lending weight to IT. It was more about destroy being the only "true" option though

Modifié par SubAstris, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .

[Ace7]

pseudonymic wrote...

so y'all start asking!

Let's see, ummm..... ah yeah

Is Leviathan lying about what it really knows?

oh and possible evidence.... Starchild telling shep to "wake up" in a similar fashion to Leviathan telling Shep to "Breath" while under 'mind' control. They couldn't have used the "wake up" line here as that would WAY to obvious.

[Dendio1]

Bioware isn't using clever word play or hidden meanings. Take everything at face value

[demersel]

Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware isn't using clever word play or hidden meanings. Take everything at face value

At face value - shepard lives in destroy, and wakes up to find out that everything that happened on the citadel was dream. 

Modifié par demersel, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[Ace7]

@ Dendio1

How much did they pay you to say that? haha

Modifié par Ace7, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[Restrider]

Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware isn't using clever word play or hidden meanings. Take everything at face value

I'll say it in words     : Seventynine
I'll say it in numbers : 79
fracking GIGATON explosion in ya face! There would be no molecule left of Shepard, but he breathes regardless.

[Dendio1]

demersel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware isn't using clever word play or hidden meanings. Take everything at face value

At face value - shepard lives in destroy, and wakes up to find out that everything that happened on the citadel was dream. 

At face value shepard lives in destroy, and his team goes after him after his LI refuses to put his name on the memorial wall.