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[Restrider]

Edit: Double post.... and on top with this lol.

Modifié par Restrider, 11 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Dendio1]

Ace7 wrote...

@ Dendio1

How much did they pay you to say that? haha

Just considering everything since the IT came up.

The documentary had some really compelling evidence, but it was mostly ignored or proven false through the EC/ Leviathan dlc.

The nail on the head though, was bioware admitting that harbingers *save us* was just a random soundbite.

[demersel]

Dendio1 wrote...

At face value shepard lives in destroy, and his team goes after him after his LI refuses to put his name on the memorial wall.

Na-ha - that is just you making some conclusions, and assuming something that is not there. That is not face value. 

[Dendio1]

Restrider wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware isn't using clever word play or hidden meanings. Take everything at face value

I'll say it in words     : Seventynine
I'll say it in numbers : 79
fracking GIGATON explosion in ya face! There would be no molecule left of Shepard, but he breathes regardless.

After Shepard came back to life as Roboshep, Chris Hansen told real life logic to take a seat

[Dendio1]

demersel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

At face value shepard lives in destroy, and his team goes after him after his LI refuses to put his name on the memorial wall.

Na-ha - that is just you making some conclusions, and assuming something that is not there. That is not face value. 

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love
interest and Shepard will again be together.

http://social.biowar.../index/12758618

Are you calling Tully Ackland a Liar?

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 septembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[Ace7]

Ec and Leviathan strenghten IT if anything

[demersel]

Dendio1 wrote...

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love
interest and Shepard will again be together.

http://social.biowar.../index/12758618

Are you calling Tully Ackland a Liar?

Bioware isn't using clever word play or hidden meanings. Take everything at face value 

[Ace7]

*High five*

[GethPrimeMKII]

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

[demersel]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

Face value ending make total sense. Shepards wakes up after choosing destroy, and finds out everything that happened on the citadel  was a dream. Other endings shepard doesn't wake up. Makes total sense to. As face value as you can get. 

[demersel]

Guys, I told you long time ago, that i can prove to you that IT is true, just by using logic. (I don't even need eny in-game proofs and clues for it).

[Dendio1]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[demersel]

Dendio1 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

And you are free to GTFO. And to have a nice day. 

[Dendio1]

demersel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

And you are free to GTFO. And to have a nice day. 

Why all the hostility? i thought it was funny 

[demersel]

Dendio1 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

And you are free to GTFO. And to have a nice day. 

Why all the hostility? i thought it was funny 

What hostility? I thought I was also being funny. OH! I'm so sorry, i forget to put a smiley face! My bad, i apologize! 
Here you go - 

[Dendio1]

demersel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

And you are free to GTFO. And to have a nice day. 

Why all the hostility? i thought it was funny 

What hostility? I thought I was also being funny. OH! I'm so sorry, i forget to put a smiley face! My bad, i apologize! 
Here you go - 

LOL np bro, it was gold hehe

Gotta love joe

[demersel]

Quote of the day:

Coaxing Evil is pointless, angering Good is dangerous. ))))

[GethPrimeMKII]

Dendio1 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

Lol. You actually think that helps your argument?

[Eryri]

pseudonymic wrote...

This is a list of the most important questions that need to be answered:

1. Are the reapers still following the orders of their creator, the AI?
2. Are the AI and/or the reapers unshackled?
3. What is the purpose of the Crucible and who inveted it?
4. Where/When does the breath scene take place? 
5. Is Leviathan lying about what it really knows? 

 

this is a list of all IT evidence to date:

- child running into a locked door
 - reaper noise when shepard talks to kid 
- ventboy appearing alive after explosion
- no one noticing/helping child when he climbs on alliance transporter
- warning signs wherever child appeared
- dream sequences with oily shadows, whispers, shepard chasing ventboy
- shepard complains of headaches
- indoctrination codex entry
- white fade in/outs whenever something dream-like occurs
- anderson being nowhere near shepard during the beam run
- harbinger not shooting down the normandy
- remark about the citadel looking like collector's base (pulled from memory)
- shepard hearing radio comm even though his/her armor is gone
- ashley and kaiden bodies only throughout citadel
- 1 m1 
-  anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him
- shepard bleeding from the same place he/she supposedly shot anderson
- mysterious elevator ride up to the catalyst
- control cut scene associated with TIM, destroy with anderson
- gun changing before and after the destroy explosion
- breath scene in destroy, official shepard lives
- saren advocating synthesis
- TIM advocating control 
- Coat's corpse on the Citadel (only seen with flycam though)
- "SO BE IT" (Starbrat obviously siding with reapers)
- Catalyst/AI using image of the kid (so they are messing with your mind, even in a literal POV) 
- the discussion between TIM and Anderson being directed to Shepard (eye contact confirms this)
- Arrival DLC (Object Rho and especially dialogue with Harbinger saying sth like "Your mind will be ours!")
- the beam not killing Shepard, though it certainly is able to oneshot gunships 
- the relay explosions start at the wrong place
- the rachni queen's description of indoctrination and the black tentacle things creeping across the screen in the TIM scene
- unlimited ammo after shepard is knocked down in beam run
- shepard's constant exposure to reaper artifacts
- no HUD in the ending at all, only other instance are dreams
- rana thanoptis registered case of indoctrination and description of her case very much like shepard's symptoms (and same length of exposure)
- shepard going from barely able to move to acting like she/he hasn't been hurt when going toward device 
- vega asking about humming noise on the normandy

Ace7 wrote...

Guys! the evidence list is shaping up pretty good. Has Vega been mentioned on it and the humming noise on the Normandy?

 

it has now! 

Hi Guys. May I also suggest the very symbolic nature of the final choices? i.e. Using a gun to "Destroy" a power conduit. Taking a leap into the unknown for synthesis. Grabbing hold of electrified levers to "control" the reapers.

Also the eerie similarity of the Citadel chasm to the Shadowbroker's engines?

And the disjointed flow of time in high ems destroy epilogue which shows slides from years in the future before cutting back to the Normandy taking off, then even further back to Shepard in the rubble in the immediate aftermath of the explosion.

Modifié par Eryri, 11 septembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[Dendio1]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Shall we make a 3rd list of the number of ways the face value ending makes no sense?

:DYou are free to do the following

Lol. You actually think that helps your argument?

Nope, I just found it hilariously appropriate

Carry on, ive said what ive had to say

[GethPrimeMKII]

As far as evidence proving IT go, it should be noted that the decision chamber looks exactly like a dialogue wheel and the decisions are color coded in such a way as to make destroy seem like the evil thing to do. Its an effective way to trick the player. It's pretty much indoctrination of the player because when has Shepard or anyone associated moral decisions with colors?

[demersel]

seriously? No one here wants me to prove IT true once and for all?

[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

seriously? No one here wants me to prove IT true once and for all?

IT isn't true until BIoWare says so.

[Norlond]

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

seriously? No one here wants me to prove IT true once and for all?

IT isn't true until ingame content made by BIoWare says so.

fixed

*edit* I'm not expecting too much

Modifié par Norlond, 11 septembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[demersel]

estebanus wrote...
]IT isn't true until BIoWare says so.

And they will do just so, but it will be at least few months more. But i can prove it true right now.