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[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

Ah, I had my share of fun, when I insisted that Grunt should be the Fire Team leader... especially Miranda's reaction was priceless. Sometimes it is fun to play a total failshep in ME2 endmission .

Would you guys think the less of me if I said that after getting Tali killed I immediately quit the game and restarted the mission? 

Unfortunately I then got Legion killed. I didn't realise that apparently the cool, calm, collected, 500 year old warrior nun was a bad choice under fire. I cheated by reading the wiki and then resarted again with Garrus as the leader.

I'm such a bad role player.

Modifié par Eryri, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

401 Kill wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Eryri wrote...
 it may "invalidate their choice".

I really hate that complaint. You can't import a failshep from ME2 to 3 but no one says that 'invalidates' their game.

The problem is that they think they made the "best choice" when in reality there is only one choice that is correct. (As IT is concerned)

And choosing wrong in ME2´s suicide mission would get people killed as allready mentioned. The stakes may be higher, but the idea is the same.

Also choosing Synthesis and Control under IT need not be the end of it all, severak of us have iared ideas of various factors and decisions (such as having the Rachni Queen alive from ME1) which might give Shepard a second chance to either do what he came to do or at least end his life before he causes any damage, giving others the chance to finish what he could not (EMS decided possibly)

[Vibez]

demersel wrote...

Mass Effect universe, as an ip so has only been all about reapers. his is the heart of the story. It's core theme. You could even argue, that after the reapers are defeated, there is no more story to tell in ME universe, but that is highle debatable, and i not stating that.

All i'm saying that everything that ever happened in the ME universe before ME1 start - it is all just back story. and it is all about leading the universe to one point (you could call it an omega point of sort in relation to fiction) - the defeat over the reapers.

ME3 - is when the reaper war proper starts. And in literal endings it is also where it ends. Once and for all.

No, there are possible stories to be told, and played through, after the reapers are defeated (there can ba a war against leviathans, there can be a struggle to stop the dark matter, whatever, BUT, not after the literal conclusion that we've got in ME3.)

There will be other games in ME universe.
BUT - at the current state of things -

- it cannot be set AFTER ME3, like deus ex 2: invisible war - the decision you made, makes drastic impact on the whole universe, to the point where you could agrue that it just as well might have destroyed it alltogether - that was the reason for the fan outcry. To make a game AFTER me3 literal endings - you'll have to make a separate game for each. (with totally different plots and characters)

- it cannot be set PRIOR to ME3. We already know how everything turned out iin every cycle before ME1 - not well. There is no material for INTERACTIVE entertainment there. You can have books, films, comics, but you cannot have games. - Who would by a game about some prior cycle, featuring creatures we cannot relate to, and plots we cannot care about, since we know that eventually they'll die anyway harvested by the reapers.

- it cannot be set DURING events of ME1, ME2 and ME3 - again same reason - if endings are literal - we already got everything we needed to defeat the reapers in ME3. No need for anything besides that, and the outcome of the events is fixed, so we cannot care about it - no possible INTERACTUAL expirience there - again, just comics, books, films, cartoons (like paragon lost) etc.

The only way ypu cpuld have A GAME in a ME universe, that peolple will pay money for - is for it to be set either during Reaper war, so you can have an impact on how it ends (and with endings being literal it is impossible), or after the reaper war, but the one ended with conventional means and in a difinitife way - not RGB. Both of those need IT to be true.

Since EA and Bioware is a business, and ME a multimillion dollar original intellectual property, that they both would like to make money for them - and thhere is defiinatly are going to be more AAA games in the universe, according to statements by both the EA and Bioware - the RGB endings could not happen for real - after them - no further business, no more money to be made, at least in gaming. - this means the endings are not real, and the IT is already implemented in the game to allow them to continue.

There you go . IT is true, cause there is no possibility of the alternative. )))

Six months it took to bring these conclusions. Amazingly done!

[Restrider]

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Ah, I had my share of fun, when I insisted that Grunt should be the Fire Team leader... especially Miranda's reaction was priceless. Sometimes it is fun to play a total failshep in ME2 endmission .

Would you guys think the less of me if I said that after getting Tali killed I immediately quit the game and restarted the mission? 

Unfortunately I then got Legion killed. I didn't realise that apparently the cool, calm, collected, 500 year old warrior nun was a bad choice under fire. I cheated by reading the wiki and then resarted again with Garrus as the leader.

I'm such a bad role player.

On my first playthrough, I got Jack killed, since she wasn't loyal. I restarted, but she still got killed, so, since I did not like her anyway (she really improved in ME 3 imho), I rolled with it.
When I did my second playthrough, Mordin died and that was a no-go. Restarted and got everyone through.

To the warrior nun issue: 
You have to consider that you need a good leader. Samara fought alone for 400 years. Tali had her fair share of commanding fails on Freedom's Progress, though it was not her fault. I could go on... There are only three characters who actually could be leaders. Miranda (even one of her skills is named "Cerberus Leader"), Garrus (had his vigilante squad on Omega) and Jacob (captain of a Corsair, iirc).

Modifié par Restrider, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[demersel]

Vibez wrote...
Six months it took to bring these conclusions. Amazingly done!

Sarcasm?

[byne]

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Ah, I had my share of fun, when I insisted that Grunt should be the Fire Team leader... especially Miranda's reaction was priceless. Sometimes it is fun to play a total failshep in ME2 endmission .

Would you guys think the less of me if I said that after getting Tali killed I immediately quit the game and restarted the mission? 

Unfortunately I then got Legion killed. I didn't realise that apparently the cool, calm, collected, 500 year old warrior nun was a bad choice under fire. I cheated by reading the wiki and then resarted again with Garrus as the leader.

I'm such a bad role player.

Miranda told me I needed someone who could command loyalty through experience as the leader of the second fireteam.

Samara is like 1000 years old and had the word 'experience' in her description so I picked her.

I still blame Miranda for getting Legion killed on my first playthrough, and have never forgiven her, nor have I trusted her again.

That came in handy later in the suicide mission when she claimed she could hold the biotic barrier up. I knew by that point that she was full of **** so I picked Jack.

Long story short: listening to Miranda is the cause of all problems in the universe. I try to second guess her whenever I can.

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

Miranda told me I needed someone who could command loyalty through experience as the leader of the second fireteam.

Samara is like 1000 years old and had the word 'experience' in her description so I picked her.

I still blame Miranda for getting Legion killed on my first playthrough, and have never forgiven her, nor have I trusted her again.

That came in handy later in the suicide mission when she claimed she could hold the biotic barrier up. I knew by that point that she was full of **** so I picked Jack.

Long story short: listening to Miranda is the cause of all problems in the universe. I try to second guess her whenever I can.

Well, that happened at my second playthrough as renegade femshep. Romanced Garrus. Miranda telling me, she could hold up the barrier and I was like: "Last time Samara worked fine, let's change it up a bit now." And I chose Miranda...
Garrus was abducted by the seeker swarm...
I was so mad at that st**id b**ch Miranda >.< 
Seriously, at that time I was in a dorm (9 m²) and had a serious rage outcry. I think my neighbours heard me through the thin walls and were scared .

[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

To the warrior nun issue: 
You have to consider that you need a good leader. Samara fought alone for 400 years. Tali had her fair share of commanding fails on Freedom's Progress, though it was not her fault. I could go on... There are only three characters who actually could be leaders. Miranda (even one of her skills is named "Cerberus Leader"), Garrus (had his vigilante squad on Omega) and Jacob (captain of a Corsair, iirc).

Yeah I do appreciate that now. Samara's more of a lone wolf type than a team player. I should have paid more attention to the Shadowbroker's files, which with hindsight were quite clear on who had the most leadership potential. Didn't stop me cursing at my monitor when I got two of my favourite characters killed in quick sucession though.

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...
Long story short: listening to Miranda is the cause of all problems in the universe. I try to second guess her whenever I can.

She was right about Jacob being unsuited to the vents. And technically she is the best choice of team leader like she says. Though her ego does screw you over on the barrier front, and shes not even the one that dies from it.

[Eryri]

byne wrote...

Miranda told me I needed someone who could command loyalty through experience as the leader of the second fireteam.

Samara is like 1000 years old and had the word 'experience' in her description so I picked her.

snip

 That's exactly why I picked Samara! Miranda even compliments you on picking her! Yet another instance where Bioware messes with our heads.

Modifié par Eryri, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:45 .

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Eryri wrote...
 it may "invalidate their choice".

I really hate that complaint. You can't import a failshep from ME2 to 3 but no one says that 'invalidates' their game.

The problem is that they think they made the "best choice" when in reality there is only one choice that is correct. (As IT is concerned)

And choosing wrong in ME2´s suicide mission would get people killed as allready mentioned. The stakes may be higher, but the idea is the same.

Also choosing Synthesis and Control under IT need not be the end of it all, severak of us have iared ideas of various factors and decisions (such as having the Rachni Queen alive from ME1) which might give Shepard a second chance to either do what he came to do or at least end his life before he causes any damage, giving others the chance to finish what he could not (EMS decided possibly)

This.  I don't see why people think this concept of there being right and wrong choices is such a bad thing.  There are right and wrong choices during the Suicide Mission.  People didn't complain then.  Why is it SUCH a big deal that there are right and wrong choices during THIS ending?  Besides, if you still want to choose Control and Synthesis, you can, you'll just have to be aware of the consequences.  And besides, I get the feeling that if BioWare DOES do a post-ending IT reveal DLC (Or something to that effect.), they'll make it completely optional, and they'll probably give you the option to choose whether you want the literal or the IT ending if you DO get it.  Of course, they'll have to make one or the other canon in future games, but any true sequels will be a long time off if Hudson really does want to focus on the Reaper War rather than sequels right now, which means they can keep the canon ending ambiguous for at least a little while, if they want.

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...
Long story short: listening to Miranda is the cause of all problems in the universe. I try to second guess her whenever I can.

She was right about Jacob being unsuited to the vents. And technically she is the best choice of team leader like she says. Though her ego does screw you over on the barrier front, and shes not even the one that dies from it.

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...
Long story short: listening to Miranda is the cause of all problems in the universe. I try to second guess her whenever I can.

She was right about Jacob being unsuited to the vents. And technically she is the best choice of team leader like she says. Though her ego does screw you over on the barrier front, and shes not even the one that dies from it.

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

A vorcha probably could have done a better job, too.  I mean, they were able to shut down the air filtration system in that area on Omega without much fuss. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

[demersel]

Or, they can do exactly what Casey Hudson want - focus on the Reaper War - starting right when ME3 finished - the take back earth part. In ME 3 Shepard more or less fixed two greatest problems in the galaxy, prior to ME1. But now we have a whole new set of problems - like FIGHTING THE REAPERS. And that is what the next game will be alll about.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...
Long story short: listening to Miranda is the cause of all problems in the universe. I try to second guess her whenever I can.

She was right about Jacob being unsuited to the vents. And technically she is the best choice of team leader like she says. Though her ego does screw you over on the barrier front, and shes not even the one that dies from it.

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

I think that the only tasks he survives in is letting him lead the fire teams.

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

He volunteers, because it is his defining character trait. 

[Vibez]

demersel wrote...

Vibez wrote...
Six months it took to bring these conclusions. Amazingly done!

Sarcasm?

Quite the opposite  I agreee with every single thing you wrote there. It's great that someone finally put in words everything that made people doubt IT and Bioware for such a long time. Sometimes the most obvious things are the ones we cannot see, and your text proves it.

Good work mate

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'

Why all the Jacob hate Byne?  Is it because you're a FemShep player?

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'

Why all the Jacob hate Byne?  Is it because you're a FemShep player?

I've hated Jacob ever since that bastard cheated on me n ME3. You don't cheat on Commander Shepard and expect to survive.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'

Why all the Jacob hate Byne?  Is it because you're a FemShep player?

Nah, I dont really hate him, I just find him utterly boring. Seeing him get hit in the face with a missile would at least mean he stops being boring for a second.

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

[demersel]

By the way, guys - Am i the only one who thinks that Vega is SO much better and more interesting than Jacob, and possibly even Kaidan?

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I would concur with this but Traynor unexpectedly stole me away.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.

Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'

Why all the Jacob hate Byne?  Is it because you're a FemShep player?

Nah, I dont really hate him, I just find him utterly boring. Seeing him get hit in the face with a missile would at least mean he stops being boring for a second.

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I don't really think of him as boring.  I think of him as normal.  Like Kaidan.  And yes, I liked Kaidan, too.  I don't think there's a single member of Shepard's team that I didn't like.