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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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demersel wrote...

By the way, guys - Am i the only one who thinks that Vega is SO much better and more interesting than Jacob, and possibly even Kaidan?


Vega is an awesome character, whereas Jacob and Kaidan are the human embodiments of blandness.

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It is ironic, that Jacob has one of the most interesting and controvercial loyalty missions.

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demersel wrote...

It is ironic, that Jacob has one of the most interesting and controvercial loyalty missions.


Nah, the loyalty mission is all about Jacob's dad, not Jacob, which is why its interesting.

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byne wrote...

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I would concur with this but Traynor unexpectedly stole me away.

Yeah, Traynor is my romance for my canon Shepard.

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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

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byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.


Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'


Why all the Jacob hate Byne?  Is it because you're a FemShep player?

I've hated Jacob ever since that bastard cheated on me n ME3. You don't cheat on Commander Shepard and expect to survive.


Cheating on Commander Shepard.  Heavy risk, but the... actually, that's all there is, really.  I can't think of any pros to cheating on Shepard.  OK, BioWare, that one was kind of stupid.  I'll admit it.

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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

By the way, guys - Am i the only one who thinks that Vega is SO much better and more interesting than Jacob, and possibly even Kaidan?


Vega is an awesome character, whereas Jacob and Kaidan are the human embodiments of blandness.


Exactly!  
Take Miranda for example - she can really be an annoying ****, BUT she is a very interesting character at the same time! ( and maybe even because of that! ).    Kaidan ansd Jacob are just bland. 

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I would concur with this but Traynor unexpectedly stole me away.

Yeah, Traynor is my romance for my canon Shepard.


Why oh why did she have to be a lesbian and not bi?  Sorry, if I could be ManShep and romance her, I would do it in a heartbeat.  She was awesome.

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

A vorcha could have told you Jacob wasnt suited for the vents.

He doesnt even have a single tech power. Why would anyone trust him to hack anything?

He probably only volunteers because he was getting annoyed that everyone forgets he exists.


Every time he says 'Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer.' I think 'Damn it, Jacob. Stop tempting me!'


Why all the Jacob hate Byne?  Is it because you're a FemShep player?

I've hated Jacob ever since that bastard cheated on me n ME3. You don't cheat on Commander Shepard and expect to survive.


Cheating on Commander Shepard.  Heavy risk, but the... actually, that's all there is, really.  I can't think of any pros to cheating on Shepard.  OK, BioWare, that one was kind of stupid.  I'll admit it.

There's a lot of stuff BioWare did in ME3 that was kinda stupid.

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I would concur with this but Traynor unexpectedly stole me away.

Yeah, Traynor is my romance for my canon Shepard.


Why oh why did she have to be a lesbian and not bi?  Sorry, if I could be ManShep and romance her, I would do it in a heartbeat.  She was awesome.

Because lesbian players also wanted a romance partner they could identify themselves with.

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I would concur with this but Traynor unexpectedly stole me away.

Yeah, Traynor is my romance for my canon Shepard.


Why oh why did she have to be a lesbian and not bi?  Sorry, if I could be ManShep and romance her, I would do it in a heartbeat.  She was awesome.


Probably because thats how sexuality works in the real world. ;)

Also, you're playing MaleShep and are surprised you're getting a worse experience? You know my feelings on MaleShep.

Although I really dont get all the love Traynor gets. She's an interesting character, sure, but nothing to leave your previous romances over.

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

byne wrote...

I may play FemShep, but I romance Liara, so I dont really care if he has a new girlfriend in ME3.

I would concur with this but Traynor unexpectedly stole me away.

Yeah, Traynor is my romance for my canon Shepard.


Why oh why did she have to be a lesbian and not bi?  Sorry, if I could be ManShep and romance her, I would do it in a heartbeat.  She was awesome.


Probably because thats how sexuality works in the real world. ;)

Also, you're playing MaleShep and are surprised you're getting a worse experience? You know my feelings on MaleShep.

Although I really dont get all the love Traynor gets. She's an interesting character, sure, but nothing to leave your previous romances over.

Because some players (lesbian or not) wanted a lesbian romance. BioWare provided them with it. the S/S romances were nothing but fan service, I think.

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Because some players (lesbian or not) wanted a lesbian romance. BioWare provided them with it. the S/S romances were nothing but fan service, I think.


At least Cortez had some decent development in his romance. He didnt just come up to Shepard's quarters one night and have clothed shower sex with him

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Dwailing wrote...

I don't really think of him as boring.  I think of him as normal.  Like Kaidan.  And yes, I liked Kaidan, too.  I don't think there's a single member of Shepard's team that I didn't like.


Same here, I like almost all of them. I think Kaidan is stoic rather than boring. I was also surprised by how much I liked James actually. The only character I disliked was that xenophobic God-botherer Ashley, who kept coming on to my BroShep when he was just trying to be friendly. Leaving her behind on Virmire was frankly a bit of a relief. Though I hear she became a more likeable character in ME3.

Modifié par Eryri, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:08 .


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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Because some players (lesbian or not) wanted a lesbian romance. BioWare provided them with it. the S/S romances were nothing but fan service, I think.


At least Cortez had some decent development in his romance. He didnt just come up to Shepard's quarters one night and have clothed shower sex with him

Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.

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Shepard: So, Leviathan can have Bryson killed, can take over this colony, and he can use them as puppets. Huh.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:13 .


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Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.


how's that not the real thing?

Modifié par demersel, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:13 .


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One thing about Leviathan that really bugged me is when EDI asks if the chunk of Sovereign was shielded to protect against indoctrination.

She acts like thats some common thing, and that indoctrination shields are things that exist. Why have we never heard of these miraculous shields before?

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demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.


how's that not the real thing?

Uuuuhhh... Because two lesbians loving each other is the exact same as a man and a woman loving each other? Now, I'm not gonna act like I know it all since I'm bisexual, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have sex with another woman on the first "date."

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If it was Commander Shepard, you would...

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estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.


how's that not the real thing?

Uuuuhhh... Because two lesbians loving each other is the exact same as a man and a woman loving each other? Now, I'm not gonna act like I know it all since I'm bisexual, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have sex with another woman on the first "date."


...neither does Liara? I dont exactly understand your point. He asked about Liara and you replied about Traynor.

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God, I hated Ashley in ME 3 even more....
Kaidan questions you on Mars once, because of the Cerberus connections and after that it is kind of okay with him.
But no, Ash has to question you all the fracking game long.
I had in mind to do a playthrough with a renegade maleshep and romancing Ashley, but you know what? I will stick with Kaidan... even if I am not planning to romance him (it'll be Liara, Tali, Tali for that matter). God, I hate Ash so much. The only reason to let her survive Virmire is to shot her in ME 3.
Edit: WTF was the death scene anyways?? Kaidan being all polite and saying his last words: "But he was unarmed!"
And then you see Ashley's real character, when she dies: "I hope the reapers will kill!" WTF!!

Modifié par Restrider, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:20 .


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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.


how's that not the real thing?

Uuuuhhh... Because two lesbians loving each other is the exact same as a man and a woman loving each other? Now, I'm not gonna act like I know it all since I'm bisexual, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have sex with another woman on the first "date."


...neither does Liara? I dont exactly understand your point. He asked about Liara and you replied about Traynor.

Wait, what? I'm confused. He quoted my post that was referring to Traynor, yet he was referring to your post?

EDIT: Never mind. I derped. I admit it.

Modifié par estebanus, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:23 .


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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.


how's that not the real thing?

Uuuuhhh... Because two lesbians loving each other is the exact same as a man and a woman loving each other? Now, I'm not gonna act like I know it all since I'm bisexual, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have sex with another woman on the first "date."


...neither does Liara? I dont exactly understand your point. He asked about Liara and you replied about Traynor.

Wait, what? I'm confused. He quoted my post that was referring to Traynor, yet he was referring to your post?


Unless I'm super confused, you said Liara wasnt the real thing, he asked how it wasnt, and then you started talking about Traynor.

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Well, I think it's because BioWare also tried to cater to the male audience with Traynor, making her act like that. 'Twould have been better had they actually tried and make a well-made and deep lesbian romance. Gay players have Kaidan for that. Lesbian players... Well, they've got Liara I guess, though that's not the real thing.


how's that not the real thing?

Uuuuhhh... Because two lesbians loving each other is the exact same as a man and a woman loving each other? Now, I'm not gonna act like I know it all since I'm bisexual, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have sex with another woman on the first "date."


...neither does Liara? I dont exactly understand your point. He asked about Liara and you replied about Traynor.

Wait, what? I'm confused. He quoted my post that was referring to Traynor, yet he was referring to your post?


Unless I'm super confused, you said Liara wasnt the real thing, he asked how it wasnt, and then you started talking about Traynor.

...I'm a f*cking idiot. Excuse me while I go slam a phone book against my head.

Modifié par estebanus, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:24 .


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God, I hated Ashley in ME 3 even more....
Kaidan questions you on Mars once, because of the Cerberus connections and after that it is kind of okay with him.
But no, Ash has to question you all the fracking game long.
I had in mind to do a playthrough with a renegade maleshep and romancing Ashley, but you know what? I will stick with Kaidan... even if I am not planning to romance him (it'll be Liara, Tali, Tali for that matter). God, I hate Ash so much. The only reason to let her survive Virmire is to shot her in ME 3.
Edit: WTF was the death scene anyways?? Kaidan being all polite and saying his last words: "But he was unarmed!"
And then you see Ashley's real character, when she dies: "I hope the reapers will kill!" WTF!!


I think their reaction varies depending on how you treat them during Mars and while in the hospital.