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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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spotlessvoid

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo folks! Feeling better now. What goeth on?


good!

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FellishBeast wrote...

I know this isn't the place to ask, but has anyone received their commendation pack yet?

Not yet. Since the announcement came later than usual, I wouldn't expect to see them until tomorrow morning/afternoon.

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Good Morning guys and gals!!

I see the thread is moving quite slow at the moment, but I also see the list of evidence is still growing :happy:. Might need some organising and tidying up but it's looking quite good. 

Do you mind if I take the time to run something past you guys again, it got lost the first time around but maybe there's good reason for that haha :blush:.

Anyway, I posted the contents of two of the post-it notes found on the photograph wall in the lab in Leviathan. I'm looking for someone, with a mind for puzzles and numbers to take a look and see if they look like a code or numerical clue to something. Sounds vague, i know. I don't know if they have been discussed before either.

here they are.........
                            "location unknown - 82.65.A.71"


                            "Temp. 756°F. is that right?"

The third post-it note simply says

                             "what's the connection?"



as I said, they mean nothing to me
but I have a strange feeling there is more to them.

Modifié par Ace7, 12 septembre 2012 - 08:59 .


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Anything to do with those marketing code things maybe? I recall a temperature being involved.

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really? I haven't heard about those. Was it a puzzle that had to be solved or something?

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It was a viral marketing thing before the teaser trailer. It was MI5, the song London Calling, a temperature and a red herring. I think there was a fifth thing too.

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I typed in 756 in Mass Effect Wiki and got the planet Nios, surface temperature 756 degrees...Celsius.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Anything to do with those marketing code things maybe? I recall a temperature being involved.


That was a different temperature: -89.1°C or -128.5°F

Listed clues from the 2010 stuff here: link
My favorite is "The Clash" album cover, and the lyrics to London Calling.

EDIT: sorry, the first link WITHIN that link is what leads to the full list of 2010 clues.

EDIT2: here I'll save you the link trouble: link

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:28 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

It was a viral marketing thing before the teaser trailer. It was MI5, the song London Calling, a temperature and a red herring. I think there was a fifth thing too.

 

Ah yes, I remember know. Must google it right away

Hrothdane wrote...

I typed in 756 in Mass Effect Wiki and got the planet Nios, surface temperature 756 degrees...Celsius.


Interesting....there's not much in that planet description, was it referred to during the Leviathan DLC? Can't remember if it's one of the planets we had to scan

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 oh yeah, celsius...... damn:blush:

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 right.....I don't know if these means anything but maybe it's a cheeky message from Bioware....and maybe it's just a coincidence but 756°F converted to celcius is 402°C.    402 is the number of cupcakes that were sent to Bioware during the whole ending upset debacle.   ^_^

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Ace7 wrote...

 right.....I don't know if these means anything but maybe it's a cheeky message from Bioware....and maybe it's just a coincidence but 756°F converted to celcius is 402°C.    402 is the number of cupcakes that were sent to Bioware during the whole ending upset debacle.   ^_^


Hola amigos, I'm back :P

"location unknown - 82.65.A.71"
"Temp. 756°F. is that right?"
"what's the connection?"

So the 2nd message could be interpreted as "We have bad endings, is that right?", but "location unknown..."  (hidden message we have yet to uncover)
"what's the connection?" -> "See the connection between those two? See what we have planned?"

We have to find out what the first note means, it's a hint :wizard:

Modifié par Norlond, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:20 .


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Ace7 wrote...

 right.....I don't know if these means anything but maybe it's a cheeky message from Bioware....and maybe it's just a coincidence but 756°F converted to celcius is 402°C.    402 is the number of cupcakes that were sent to Bioware during the whole ending upset debacle.   ^_^

Great.... now I am hungry. I think I'll have dessert after my lunch :D.
OT:
The cupcake thing sounds reasonable. I did some digging and found this:
iplocation.pythonclub.org/82.65.71.html
Somewhere at the southern coast of France?
If the numbers are some kind of coordinate, I can't find anything of use (the galactic coordinate system definition does not contain letters, iirc).
Edit: I don't think that my investigations are of any use though. But maybe someone else can find something.

Modifié par Restrider, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:20 .


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Norlond

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8265A71 in binary: 00111000001100100011011000110101010000010011011100110001

as image:
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I have no idea why I am doing this, this is leading nowhere :lol:

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Demersel - I like the logic :). TSA refers to that as the 'EA Really ****ing loves money' theory ;D. It's the thing that gives me most hope, so thanks for posting :). Good to see people still convinced!

Dammit, want more MP DLC.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo folks! Feeling better now. What goeth on?


Glad to hear it Arian! The thread's not the same without you.

@Ace7 Maybe the "Is that right?" part means that it is Celsius rather than Fahrenheit after all? Kind of a deliberate mistake to not make it so obvious. If so it could still be referring to Nios.

Modifié par Eryri, 12 septembre 2012 - 12:24 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo folks! Feeling better now. What goeth on?



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This is a list of the most important questions that need to be answered:

1. Are the reapers still following the orders of their creator, the AI?
2. Are the AI and/or the reapers unshackled?
3. What is the purpose of the Crucible and who inveted it?
4. Where/When does the breath scene take place? 
5. Is Leviathan lying about what it really knows? 
6. 
What did the reapers want in London? 

 

this is a list of all IT evidence to date:

- child running into a locked door
 - reaper noise when shepard talks to kid 
- ventboy appearing alive after explosion
- no one noticing/helping child when he climbs on alliance transporter
- warning signs wherever child appeared
- dream sequences with oily shadows, whispers, shepard chasing ventboy
- shepard complains of headaches
- indoctrination codex entry
- white fade in/outs whenever something dream-like occurs
- anderson being nowhere near shepard during the beam run
- harbinger not shooting down the normandy
- remark about the citadel looking like collector's base (pulled from memory)
- shepard hearing radio comm even though his/her armor is gone
- ashley and kaiden bodies only throughout citadel
- 1 m1 
-  anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him
- shepard bleeding from the same place he/she supposedly shot anderson
- mysterious elevator ride up to the catalyst
- control cut scene associated with TIM, destroy with anderson
- gun changing before and after the destroy explosion
- breath scene in destroy, official shepard lives
- saren advocating synthesis
- TIM advocating control 
- Coat's corpse on the Citadel (only seen with flycam though)
- "SO BE IT" (Starbrat obviously siding with reapers)
- Catalyst/AI using image of the kid (so they are messing with your mind, even in a literal POV) 
- the discussion between TIM and Anderson being directed to Shepard (eye contact confirms this)
- Arrival DLC (Object Rho and especially dialogue with Harbinger saying sth like "Your mind will be ours!")
- the beam not killing Shepard, though it certainly is able to oneshot gunships 
- the relay explosions start at the wrong place
- the rachni queen's description of indoctrination and the black tentacle things creeping across the screen in the TIM scene
- unlimited ammo after shepard is knocked down in beam run
- shepard's constant exposure to reaper artifacts
- no HUD in the ending at all, only other instance are dreams
- rana thanoptis registered case of indoctrination and description of her case very much like shepard's symptoms (and same length of exposure)
- shepard going from barely able to move to acting like she/he hasn't been hurt when going toward device 
- vega asking about humming noise on the normandy
- Anderson looking at the camera and saying "They're controlling you!"
- Leviathan Seizing Shepard's mind shows Shepard on his hands and knees being approached by an entity pulled from his memories
- Some Shepards outright being struck by Object Rho, and being sedated for two days. Harbinger says "Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine"
- Recurring nightmares are a symptom in the audio logs in Arrival
- Indoctrinated Prothean Separatists advocate control
- Indoctrinated Desolas Arterius advocates control and synthesis
- EDI telling you Reapers use peace treaty ruses to pacify people while they indoctrinate them
- Sensations of darkness and cold. Anderson says he's in a dark hallway, and Shepard says he feels like death
- All Crucible functions being activated metaphorically
- Shepard seeing things that undisputably aren't happening. Like TIM and Anderson activating choices
- Shepard's idle animated in ME2&3 is him looking around, acting paranoid
- Buzzing and Ringing prevalent in ME3's musical score
- Infrasound present in game
- Shepard hearing whispers, oily tendrils on the screen and shooting people against his will during the TIM standoff. The scene that follows this is not grounded in reality
- Shepard outright has his mind seized by Leviathan
- Both community managers say IT is equally valid to non IT 
- shepard's eyes if picking synthesis or control
- indoctrination symbols found on the Normandy, Mars, as well as a bunch on the Leviathan DLC as well
- The decision chamber resembles a dialogue wheel.
- Control and destroy are color coded based on paragon and renegade morale alignments respectively. The decision chamber is designed to make the player believe it is morally wrong to destroy the reapers. 


updated. do we have more?

morning guys.

Modifié par pseudonymic, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .


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Another question: What did the reapers want in London? Remember Anderson mentions they were converging there BEFORE the citadel is moved.

EDIT: Your clues list doesn't appear to include the eyes.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:10 .


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Restrider wrote...

Great.... now I am hungry. I think I'll have dessert after my lunch [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie].
OT: 

 

Did ya get a cupcake after your lunch? 

#cupcakeindoctheory  :lol:


  

Restrider wrote... 

If the numbers are some kind of coordinate, I can't find anything of use (the galactic coordinate system definition does not contain letters, iirc).


The numbers have to equate to something, someone at bioware thought up those numbers but whether they relate to IT clues or simply relate to the Leviathan search mission is another thing.
This could be quite fruitless after all, but I hope not.

@Norlond.... you so crazy. That's obviously shep shaking hands with harby, can't you see it?


Eryri wrote...

@Ace7 Maybe the "Is that right?" part means that it is Celsius rather than Fahrenheit after all? Kind of a deliberate mistake to not make it so obvious. If so it could still be referring to Nios.

 

didn't think of that... 

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RavenEyry wrote...

Another question: What did the reapers want in London? Remember Anderson mentions they were converging there BEFORE the citadel is moved.

EDIT: Your clues list doesn't appear to include the eyes.


i wish there were some sort of cut tag feature in this board. sorry for the long list, everyone.

k, will add that in a sec.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Another question: What did the reapers want in London? Remember Anderson mentions they were converging there BEFORE the citadel is moved.


I think that was discussed before, in the end the result was 'no data available (/legion)' ^_^
Some said it could be somehow connected to Anderson being born in London

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I'm aware it's been discussed, I was just suggesting adding it to the questions list.

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Ace7 wrote...

 

Restrider wrote...

Great.... now I am hungry. I think I'll have dessert after my lunch [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie].
OT: 

 

Did ya get a cupcake after your lunch? 

#cupcakeindoctheory  :lol:

Nah, no cupcake, but poppy-seed cake :D

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Oops :whistle:

Well then, maybe you have an idea what 82.65.A.71 and 756 °F are about?

I did some more research without results

Modifié par Norlond, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:18 .