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[TSA_383]

Ace7 wrote...
#cupcakeindoctheory  

We gave to make this trend on twitter at some point...

Whiysper wrote...
TSA refers to that as the 'EA Really ****ing loves money' theory ;D. It's the thing that gives me most hope, so thanks for posting . Good to see people still convinced! 

 
It's a good theory. They do ****ing love money 

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

But Reaper indoctrination is also quite final, as is showcased by Matriarch Benezia, who only temporarily forced her true self to emerge through sheer force of will, only to irreversibly succumb to the darkness once more mere moments after.

If a thousand year old biotic powerhouse cannot break Reaper indoctrination for more than a few minutes, what hope does Shepard have?

 
He has to do something bollock-shatteringly awesome in those few minutes, and probably take down harbinger.


So, here's an interesting thought - Harbinger is the only synthetic made up from the Leviathans themselves... What if Harbinger is the only reaper who is able to control others, and all indoctrination takes place via harbinger directly? That'd seem possible based on how Harbinger took over collectors all the time in ME2...
My theory is that Harbinger is the only reaper capable of indoctrination, and that if Shepard were able to destroy harbinger then it'd break the indoctrination signal.

demersel wrote...

i bryson's lab, there are paintings all over the walls, likely made by doctor bryson himself, with blurry abstract images, - two of which looks highly similiar to images in the dreams shepard is having.

 
Interesting...screenshot?

demersel wrote...

Home run MF wrote...
I didn't mind to imply Shepard eating anything, just why would the Leviathans study a plant that does not kill you but turns you dumb? Aren't they capable of doing that by themselves?

It does not only make you dunb, but it also makes you highly succeptable to sugestions..

 
This being highly significant since those exact plants are all over the presidium...

[Restrider]

TSA_383 wrote...


So, here's an interesting thought - Harbinger is the only synthetic made up from the Leviathans themselves... What if Harbinger is the only reaper who is able to control others, and all indoctrination takes place via harbinger directly? That'd seem possible based on how Harbinger took over collectors all the time in ME2...
My theory is that Harbinger is the only reaper capable of indoctrination, and that if Shepard were able to destroy harbinger then it'd break the indoctrination signal.

And how did Sovereign indoctrinate Saren and that Professor in Mass Effect: Revelation?

[TSA_383]

Restrider wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


So, here's an interesting thought - Harbinger is the only synthetic made up from the Leviathans themselves... What if Harbinger is the only reaper who is able to control others, and all indoctrination takes place via harbinger directly? That'd seem possible based on how Harbinger took over collectors all the time in ME2...
My theory is that Harbinger is the only reaper capable of indoctrination, and that if Shepard were able to destroy harbinger then it'd break the indoctrination signal.

And how did Sovereign indoctrinate Saren and that Professor in Mass Effect: Revelation?

Haven't read revelation - I'd be forced to assume that the leviathan-reaper (harbinger) controls its army of other species (just like the organic leviathans) and works mostly through them. Ergo, Sovereign wouldn't be the one truly in control, it's still Harbinger.
After all, the reapers are controlled by a central intelligence - it'd make sense for that intelligence to be a part of the original reaper.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

TSA_383 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


So, here's an interesting thought - Harbinger is the only synthetic made up from the Leviathans themselves... What if Harbinger is the only reaper who is able to control others, and all indoctrination takes place via harbinger directly? That'd seem possible based on how Harbinger took over collectors all the time in ME2...
My theory is that Harbinger is the only reaper capable of indoctrination, and that if Shepard were able to destroy harbinger then it'd break the indoctrination signal.

And how did Sovereign indoctrinate Saren and that Professor in Mass Effect: Revelation?

Haven't read revelation - I'd be forced to assume that the leviathan-reaper (harbinger) controls its army of other species (just like the organic leviathans) and works mostly through them. Ergo, Sovereign wouldn't be the one truly in control, it's still Harbinger.
After all, the reapers are controlled by a central intelligence - it'd make sense for that intelligence to be a part of the original reaper.

Well Sovereign assumes direct control of Saren (or at least semi direct control) in ME1 as clearly shown by his "I am Sovereign and this station is mine."

Also did Leviathan ever actually say the Intelligence they created had control of the Reapers? Did it not merely say that the Intelligence created them. If so a central intelligence for the Reapers is stll up in the air...unless you are going by the "us" and "we" quotes made by the Reapers.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[SubAstris]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Some more things to add into the evidence list that I notice missing. (I posted this before but it was lost in the thread and ignored.):

-Control and destroy are color coded based on paragon and renegade morale alignments
respectively. Most players tend to be paragons The decision chamber is designed to make the
player believe it is morally wrong to destroy the reapers.

That's a pretty bold statement to make, especially because Synthesis doesn't seem to fit into that model at all. And if the whole event was meant to portray destroying the Reapers as morally wrong, why is the clearly paragon Anderson seen to be associating with Destroy, and TIM Control?

[demersel]

magnetite wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...
updated. do we have more?

Those indoctrination symbols:



Although I had to decode the message.

Adverse effects not otherwise classified. These symbols can be found on the Normandy, Mars, as well as a bunch on the Leviathan DLC as well. No other places had these in Mass Effect 3. Some places of Mass Effect 2 had them (eg. room with Object Rho).

For example on Mars, the room next to where you find the symbol is a datapad which talks about human evolution (synthesis).

Rio map has these markings. 

[TSA_383]

SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Some more things to add into the evidence list that I notice missing. (I posted this before but it was lost in the thread and ignored.):

-Control and destroy are color coded based on paragon and renegade morale alignments
respectively. Most players tend to be paragons The decision chamber is designed to make the
player believe it is morally wrong to destroy the reapers.

That's a pretty bold statement to make, especially because Synthesis doesn't seem to fit into that model at all. And if the whole event was meant to portray destroying the Reapers as morally wrong, why is the clearly paragon Anderson seen to be associating with Destroy, and TIM Control?

That's the whole point.
Also I don't get how it's such a bold statement - the entire room is laid out exactly like a dialog wheel (seriously, flycam it, the proportions are exactly right too) and colour-coded appropriately.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Synthesis is more or less the great compromise. The catalyst presents it as the one decision that benefits both synthetics and organics. It doesnt matter that anderson is

Paragon has always been colored blue. Renegade has always been red. It doesnt matter what character is seen doing what. The color coded morale decisions have been established for 3 games. Red has always been the color associated with the more morally depraved and evil things Shepard decides to do. The association is quite strong in ME3 alone, given the number of really f***ed up things renegade Shepard does to entire races.

[RavenEyry]

I believe red and blue light makes green light. Synthesis!

[GethPrimeMKII]

Whats so interesting about the game is that neutral answers noticeably absent throughout the game, except in the decision chamber.


edit: ask yourselves this - when has anyone in the mass effect universe associated morale decisions with colors? There is a reason the decision chamber is designed the way it is. Its meant to influence the player's choice by taking advantage of his moral senses. Most players tend to play paragon Shepards. So its easy to see how many end up falling for the reapers' trap thinking theyre helping the galaxy.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[SubAstris]

TSA_383 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Some more things to add into the evidence list that I notice missing. (I posted this before but it was lost in the thread and ignored.):

-Control and destroy are color coded based on paragon and renegade morale alignments
respectively. Most players tend to be paragons The decision chamber is designed to make the
player believe it is morally wrong to destroy the reapers.

That's a pretty bold statement to make, especially because Synthesis doesn't seem to fit into that model at all. And if the whole event was meant to portray destroying the Reapers as morally wrong, why is the clearly paragon Anderson seen to be associating with Destroy, and TIM Control?

That's the whole point.
Also I don't get how it's such a bold statement - the entire room is laid out exactly like a dialog wheel (seriously, flycam it, the proportions are exactly right too) and colour-coded appropriately.

So what about my other point? What about how Synthesis is factored in aswell? I would be surprised if BW did base it at least partly on a wheel, but some things seem if "off" if that's the case

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

I believe red and blue light makes green light. Synthesis!

Nope, Purple.

GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Paragon has always been colored blue. Renegade has always been red. It doesnt matter what character is seen doing what. The color coded morale decisions have been established for 3 games. Red has always been the color associated with the more morally depraved and evil things Shepard decides to do. The association is quite strong in ME3 alone, given the number of really f***ed up things renegade Shepard does to entire races.

This. You're seeing it the way the reapers want you to see it - destroying the reapers is clearly morally reprehensible...

I can't believe after everything we've seen from Leviathan that people still think Synthesis does exactly what it says...

[RavenEyry]

TSA_383 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I believe red and blue light makes green light. Synthesis!

Nope, Purple.

I thought light mixing was different to pigment mixing?

[SubAstris]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Synthesis is more or less the great compromise. The catalyst presents it as the one decision that benefits both synthetics and organics. It doesnt matter that anderson is

Paragon has always been colored blue. Renegade has always been red. It doesnt matter what character is seen doing what. The color coded morale decisions have been established for 3 games. Red has always been the color associated with the more morally depraved and evil things Shepard decides to do. The association is quite strong in ME3 alone, given the number of really f***ed up things renegade Shepard does to entire races.

You can't just forget what one of the most important characters in the series has represented and whose views are deliberately invoked by his showing at the end can you now...

[pseudonymic]

RavenEyry wrote...

I thought light mixing was different to pigment mixing?

just in the sense of additive/subtractive. R, B & Y in pigment = black, in light = white.

[The Twilight God]

RavenEyry wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I believe red and blue light makes green light. Synthesis!

Nope, Purple.

I thought light mixing was different to pigment mixing?

Red, Blue and Green are the 3 primary colors. That's why they chose green.

[RavenEyry]

Just googled it, you're right it's purple in both.

[pseudonymic]

The Twilight God wrote...

Red, Blue and Green are the 3 primary colors. That's why they chose green.

wat! the historic model is a RYB, not RGB.  lookatthecolorwheel.

[RavenEyry]

pseudonymic wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Red, Blue and Green are the 3 primary colors. That's why they chose green.

wat! the historic model is a RYB, not RGB.  lookatthecolorwheel.

It's RGB in light. I knew that despite my brainfart.

[GethPrimeMKII]

SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Synthesis is more or less the great compromise. The catalyst presents it as the one decision that benefits both synthetics and organics. It doesnt matter that anderson is

Paragon has always been colored blue. Renegade has always been red. It doesnt matter what character is seen doing what. The color coded morale decisions have been established for 3 games. Red has always been the color associated with the more morally depraved and evil things Shepard decides to do. The association is quite strong in ME3 alone, given the number of really f***ed up things renegade Shepard does to entire races.

You can't just forget what one of the most important characters in the series has represented and whose views are deliberately invoked by his showing at the end can you now...

Funny you should bring that up. Regardless it doesnt make a difference in this argument. Regardless of what TIM wanted to do you are still presented with the choice to control reapers in paragon blue. The catalyst insists you can do it despite offering you zero evidence as to why you can but TIM cant. Couple this with the benefits of control. The galaxy can be better off with Shepard leading the reapers. Nobody else has to die if Shepard does this. 

Roll all of that together and its painfully obvious that you are being mind tricked by the reapers They are appealing to your ego and sense of heroism with the control option.

[Restrider]

pseudonymic wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Red, Blue and Green are the 3 primary colors. That's why they chose green.

wat! the historic model is a RYB, not RGB.  lookatthecolorwheel.

RYB for the pigment mixing. RGB for light mixing. That's why you have RGB pixels at the screen you are looking at (unless you have a weird black/white one  ).

[RavenEyry]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Control embodies the spirit of paragon. However, that does not mean paragons must choose it.

[SubAstris]

RavenEyry wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Control embodies the spirit of paragon. However, that does not mean paragons must choose it.

...So TIM is paragon

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Control embodies the spirit of paragon. However, that does not mean paragons must choose it.

...So TIM is paragon

No he has traits of both.

[Norlond]

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Control embodies the spirit of paragon. However, that does not mean paragons must choose it.

...So TIM is paragon

...from reaper point of view, because he's indoctrinated