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[FFZero]

RavenEyry wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Control embodies the spirit of paragon. However, that does not mean paragons must choose it.

How exactly does control embody the spirit of a paragon?

Control is essentially mass brainwashing, that’s not exactly a paragon action...

[Restrider]

I remember there was a Dilbert strip that was perfectly fitting for IT. Sadly, I cannot find it anymore, but I can paraphrase the dialogue:

*Dilbert showing some co-worker a sheet of paper*
Dilbert: "I made a perfect development plan. Each point on this list may seem questionable and not thought through. BUT if you see the whole concept each point contributes to, the plan will appear to be sophisticated and brilliant!"
Co-Worker: "I think this first point is ill-conceived."
Dilbert: "There we go...." *Facepalm*

I think that many IT critics nit-pick at a few hints and are not really aware of the whole concept and the amount of data that is backing IT.

Modifié par Restrider, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[RavenEyry]

FFZero wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Control embodies the spirit of paragon. However, that does not mean paragons must choose it.

How exactly does control embody the spirit of a paragon?

Control is essentially mass brainwashing, that’s not exactly a paragon action...

Because it saves lives at all costs. Paragon has been lawful stupid several times before then.

Same reason destroy is renegade. Accomplishing goals at all costs even when there's a 'better' alternative available.

It seems the only reason people insist destroy is paragon is because it's considered the good option, forgetting that paragon/renegade was never a fancy term for good/evil.

[SubAstris]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Synthesis is more or less the great compromise. The catalyst presents it as the one decision that benefits both synthetics and organics. It doesnt matter that anderson is

Paragon has always been colored blue. Renegade has always been red. It doesnt matter what character is seen doing what. The color coded morale decisions have been established for 3 games. Red has always been the color associated with the more morally depraved and evil things Shepard decides to do. The association is quite strong in ME3 alone, given the number of really f***ed up things renegade Shepard does to entire races.

You can't just forget what one of the most important characters in the series has represented and whose views are deliberately invoked by his showing at the end can you now...

Funny you should bring that up. Regardless it doesnt make a difference in this argument. Regardless of what TIM wanted to do you are still presented with the choice to control reapers in paragon blue. The catalyst insists you can do it despite offering you zero evidence as to why you can but TIM cant. Couple this with the benefits of control. The galaxy can be better off with Shepard leading the reapers. Nobody else has to die if Shepard does this. 

Roll all of that together and its painfully obvious that you are being mind tricked by the reapers They are appealing to your ego and sense of heroism with the control option.

In-game we are told that TIM couldn't control them because he was indoctrinated. Still my question stands as to why we are reminded of paragon Anderson with destroy and renegade with control. IMO BW knew that the colors might cause confusion, and so made sure to show to the audience the cutscenes.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Yes. Youre supposed to be confused. And in the end you will go with control because three whole games have drilled it into your skull that blue = good and heroic

[spotlessvoid]

Synthesis is as much a compromise as a murder suicide

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[TSA_383]

I still think Omega is going to have a game-changing role to play before this is over...

[Jusseb]

Played Deus Ex Human Revolution again.

Scary how the ending has so many connections with that of ME3. The choices even get represented by a damn AI. Even the Control, Destroy and a Synthesis like endig are there, just like a refusal.

Almost like those peeps at Bioware played to much Deus Ex HR.

[RavenEyry]

It's more similar to the first deus ex endings actually.

[spotlessvoid]

Subastris:

Yet, somehow, in the breaking light of the morning, after powering through the game, I was tired and confused enough to choose control. Why? Because it required only Shepard to be sacrificed and it was paragon blue. Stupid, stupid, stupid. 5 minutes of eloquent profanity is all it took to wake me up enough to make me realize how obvious it was that destroy was the right choice. Some people still don't see it

[SubAstris]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Subastris:

Yet, somehow, in the breaking light of the morning, after powering through the game, I was tired and confused enough to choose control. Why? Because it required only Shepard to be sacrificed and it was paragon blue. Stupid, stupid, stupid. 5 minutes of eloquent profanity is all it took to wake me up enough to make me realize how obvious it was that destroy was the right choice. Some people still don't see it

I honestly do not think there is a right choice; it really depends on what you value and your intepretation of the ending

[spotlessvoid]

Also, starchild acts like Shepard making it to the decision chamber changes everything, yet it's starchild that brought him there.

Also, why the hell does EMS effect what the crucible can do? It makes no sense that EMS effects the strength of the destroy blast. If starchild really wants synthesis it should always be offered. And if you explain it with Shep wasn't ready enough for synthesis, then why the heck is he ready enough for control? I mean seriously....least prepared Shep only gets to choose the option starchild likes least?

[RavenEyry]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Also, starchild acts like Shepard making it to the decision chamber changes everything, yet it's starchild that brought him there.

Well according to some bloke called Maaaze it wasn't, and he's one of those people who throws a mardy if anyone disagrees with him, so he must be right.

[demersel]

 conspiracy theories arise. )))

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/14081101

[RavenEyry]

demersel wrote...

 conspiracy theories arise. )))

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/14081101

Does this prove IT?

[demersel]

Yes, in fact it does.

[RavenEyry]

Huzzah! Hot Itoldyousos for everyone!

[Norlond]

*edit* let's do the math: To figure out this 'conspiracy', it took them 180 days (first Op was March 16)
For their minds, IT is about 10 times more complicated, that means it will take them another 180*9=1620 days to figure out IT
That means, on February 18, 2017, a thread will pop up, titled "Hey... did you notice the ending was a little bit surreal?" and everyone will be like "oh, how did I not see that before"

Modifié par Norlond, 12 septembre 2012 - 06:30 .

[Lokanaiya]

Psedodynamic: I meant that it could count as a piece of evidence, since I'm on my phone and can't exactly quote now.

[TSA_383]

Things-I-only-just-discovered-from-the-comics part 2:


The broker is likely indoctrinated, or at least, Harbinger has the ability to communicate directly with him.

[Norlond]

TSA_383 wrote...
The broker is likely indoctrinated, or at least, Harbinger has the ability to communicate directly with him.

Could this support the glyph-is-the-traitor-theory? The broker could have programmed him to be loyal to the reapers

[RavenEyry]

TSA_383 wrote...

The broker is likely indoctrinated, or at least, Harbinger has the ability to communicate directly with him.

The collectors did buy slaves and stuff, so it could just be contacting the broker through the normal channels.

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

The broker is likely indoctrinated, or at least, Harbinger has the ability to communicate directly with him.

The collectors did buy slaves and stuff, so it could just be contacting the broker through the normal channels.

It's standing mumbling in a corner on a station whilst all the communications are down, on literally the very next page someone wonders aloud just what the unending **** that collector is doing...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

The broker is likely indoctrinated, or at least, Harbinger has the ability to communicate directly with him.

The collectors did buy slaves and stuff, so it could just be contacting the broker through the normal channels.

Yeah, the log you can access regarding Tali (when she contacted him around around the time of ME1) on the Shadow Brokers ship shows that she too had direct contact with the Shadow Broker.

[BansheeOwnage]

What's up? I'm at school.