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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Dwailing wrote...

Hey, just poping by to share a crazy thought. I'm starting to wonder if BioWare DID mess up the ending, but not in the way the Literalists think. What I'm wondering is if they made IT too OBVIOUS. I mean, we've always said that the power of IT is in not knowing if we're right, and what better way to not know if we're right than to NOT SUSPECT THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE FIRST PLACE? My thoughts are that they actually eanted IT to be MORE subtle at first, and THAT'S where they failed. I'm thinking that they released the EC to remove the more obvious oddities.

I think that they would have hoped for at least some amount to catch on to the idea(Didn't they write "speculation for everyone" on a piece of paper or something?) Even if it was less subtle, if one person shared the idea of IT, it probably would have caught on quickly. Also remember that indoctrination is heavily embedded in the entire series, not just ME3.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I want a DLC with Harbinger assuming direct control of space hamster. He should have a high pitched, yet distinctly Harbinger like, squeaky, menacing voice.


You're acting like Harbinger wasnt secretly the space hamster all along.


I've had my suspicions.

Even better (pun), Harbinger assuming direct control of Blasto the Jellyfish, the new antagonist of ME1 remake.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 septembre 2012 - 10:20 .


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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, just poping by to share a crazy thought. I'm starting to wonder if BioWare DID mess up the ending, but not in the way the Literalists think. What I'm wondering is if they made IT too OBVIOUS. I mean, we've always said that the power of IT is in not knowing if we're right, and what better way to not know if we're right than to NOT SUSPECT THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE FIRST PLACE? My thoughts are that they actually eanted IT to be MORE subtle at first, and THAT'S where they failed. I'm thinking that they released the EC to remove the more obvious oddities.


Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't IT supporters in the minority within the Mass Effect community? Wouldnt that mean Bioware is pretty much on point with making indoctrination really hard to detect in the end?

Yes, this is the case now. But a lot, to be honest a huge part, of the community supported IT after the original endings (where it was quite obvious that there is something fishy). Alas, many expected that the EC would confirm IT and because of that not being the case, they started the whole "IT-debunked" campaign that has lead to a reduced number of IT supporters within the community. That's at least what I've experienced.

In any case, since in the original ending, literal POV was ludicrous and there was a kind of canonical interpretation (IT), BW may have decided to cover it up and have a more mixed up melange of interpretations (IT Dream, IT Con, literal, which is still ludicrous to me).

Btw: Why did everyone expect the EC to be more than it actually was? I mean, it was not planned and I assume they did not stop their work on other projects (such as DLCs), just to redeem/redo the whole ending. I guess they did the EC in some overtime/sparetime to please the costumers. That's how we got a few cutscenes, a bit more dialogue, refusal ending (not that difficult to implement) and some slides.

BatmanTurian wrote...
I realize he's polite and I have no problem with him personally. It's
just that he jumps in, thinking he's found a dent in the armor when, in
actuality, he doesn't quite understand what exactly we're saying. It
seems to be a hallmark of all IT critics.

Restrider wrote...
I remember there was a Dilbert strip that was perfectly fitting for IT.
Sadly, I cannot find it anymore, but I can paraphrase the dialogue:

*Dilbert showing some co-worker a sheet of paper*
Dilbert:
"I made a perfect development plan. Each point on this list may seem
questionable and not thought through. BUT if you see the whole concept
each point contributes to, the plan will appear to be sophisticated and
brilliant!"
Co-Worker: "I think this first point is ill-conceived."
Dilbert: "There we go...." *Facepalm*

I
think that many IT critics nit-pick at a few hints and are not really
aware of the whole concept and the amount of data that is backing IT.


I'm out, see you tommorrow while I'm bored assembling diodes in my lab.

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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I want a DLC with Harbinger assuming direct control of space hamster. He should have a high pitched, yet distinctly Harbinger like, squeaky, menacing voice.


You're acting like Harbinger wasnt secretly the space hamster all along.


I've had my suspicions.

Even better (pun), Harbinger assuming direct control of Blasto the Jellyfish, the new antagonist of ME1 remake.

Sigh, paxxton this is the 4th time I've had to explain to you that jellyfish cant be indoctrinated. Pay attention man

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paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I want a DLC with Harbinger assuming direct control of space hamster. He should have a high pitched, yet distinctly Harbinger like, squeaky, menacing voice.


You're acting like Harbinger wasnt secretly the space hamster all along.


I've had my suspicions.

Even better (pun), Harbinger assuming direct control of Blasto the Jellyfish, the new antagonist of ME1 remake.


there will be such DLC! in the CE artbook there is a concept art of Shepard blasting into his own cabin, through the celling window, from outer space, in full gear, ready to fight. :D

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spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I want a DLC with Harbinger assuming direct control of space hamster. He should have a high pitched, yet distinctly Harbinger like, squeaky, menacing voice.


You're acting like Harbinger wasnt secretly the space hamster all along.


I've had my suspicions.

Even better (pun), Harbinger assuming direct control of Blasto the Jellyfish, the new antagonist of ME1 remake.

Sigh, paxxton this is the 4th time I've had to explain to you that jellyfish cant be indoctrinated. Pay attention man

I must've been elsewhere at the time you were talking. Didn't hear it. Each 3 times. Posted ImagePosted Image

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I want a DLC with Harbinger assuming direct control of space hamster. He should have a high pitched, yet distinctly Harbinger like, squeaky, menacing voice.


You're acting like Harbinger wasnt secretly the space hamster all along.


I've had my suspicions.

Even better (pun), Harbinger assuming direct control of Blasto the Jellyfish, the new antagonist of ME1 remake.


there will be such DLC! in the CE artbook there is a concept art of Shepard blasting into his own cabin, through the celling window, from outer space, in full gear, ready to fight. :D

Cool. He could then defeat the fish, if any left, after finally feeding them.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:05 .


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Blasto is make-believe movie bs. It's for kids. This is exactly how it go down in real life:

Hanar Squadmate
SP
Shepard: Cover Me!
Hanar: This one has no weapon
Shepard: Use your powers!
Hanar: This one has no powers
Shepard: Then hack the door.
Hanar: This one is fleeing
[BRAAAA-AAAAATTT]
Shepard: Steve!
Cortez: Commander!
Shepard: Go get Garrus.

MP
The Voice: Incoming hostile forces.
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Bogeys inbound
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Find the targets then finish them
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel

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And since it's the comedy hour:

I once knew a Geth from the Styx
Who liked to write limericks
But he failed at the sport
'Cause he wrote them too short

[Ducks incoming tomatoes] Thank You. I'll be here all night folks

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Bill Casey wrote...

scout.wisc.edu/Archives/SPT--FullRecord.php

Description:
The National Science Foundation sponsors thousands of substantial research projects every year across a very broad range of scholarly fields, and this recent provocative addition to the NSF's Earth & Environmental Science site will be of real interest to many. This particular feature allows visitors to explore the area of the ocean floor in and around a sea vent, complete with various interactive features. For those who are not already aware of sea vents, they support a rich ecosystem that includes fish, shrimp, tubeworms, mussels, crabs, and clams. The water from these sea vents comes out at close to 756 degrees Fahrenheit and appears to gush out in the same manner as smoke. Browsing through this underwater world, visitors can learn about the vents and the diverse life forms that exist 1.5 miles beneath the surface of the ocean.

Edit: I know, I know, this craic again.                                                                                                                                              
....... I now reckon the long numbers are proper coordinates. 82.65 is a longitudinal line running through the Arctic and the other numbers must indicate some point along this line. The Arctic and the Sea vents with their 756 degree F temp. certainly would add up. Plus, on the wall there are pictures of a sea & some crab like creatures. If this is the connection then why would the clues be pointing to Earth? Is there something else Im' supposed to be interpreting OR............. are there Leviathan creatures living in the Arctic on Earth?  Posted ImagePosted Image

This is some wild speculating i'm doing here, I best go to bed.

Modifié par Ace7, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:19 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Blasto is make-believe movie bs. It's for kids. This is exactly how it go down in real life:

Hanar Squadmate
SP
Shepard: Cover Me!
Hanar: This one has no weapon
Shepard: Use your powers!
Hanar: This one has no powers
Shepard: Then hack the door.
Hanar: This one is fleeing
[BRAAAA-AAAAATTT]
Shepard: Steve!
Cortez: Commander!
Shepard: Go get Garrus.

MP
The Voice: Incoming hostile forces.
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Bogeys inbound
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Find the targets then finish them
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel

Voice: Escort the drone. Only 20 meters left.
Hanar: This one doesn't know which way.
Voice: Mission failed. Returning to base.
Hanar: This one is lost.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Blasto is make-believe movie bs. It's for kids. This is exactly how it go down in real life:

Hanar Squadmate
SP
Shepard: Cover Me!
Hanar: This one has no weapon
Shepard: Use your powers!
Hanar: This one has no powers
Shepard: Then hack the door.
Hanar: This one is fleeing
[BRAAAA-AAAAATTT]
Shepard: Steve!
Cortez: Commander!
Shepard: Go get Garrus.

MP
The Voice: Incoming hostile forces.
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Bogeys inbound
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel
The Voice: Find the targets then finish them
Hanar: This one needs Medi-gel


This one doesnt have time for your solid waste excretions.

Modifié par byne, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:29 .


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byne wrote...


This one doesnt have time for your solid waste excretions.


"Enkindle this"
Clearly make believe. You probably think Oprah exists too

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spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...


This one doesnt have time for your solid waste excretions.


"Enkindle this"
Clearly make believe. You probably think Oprah exists too


Oprah is clearly a cyborg.

Anyhow, I'm not feeling well today.

Going to sleep now.

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Nite. Hope you feel better. Remember:
Tomorrow is a new day, but today is still the same one

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In other new: Do the right thing - One last plea thread is very depressing - it's just ****ing and crying over over again with no end to it, and nothing constructive.

Literally it is "LALALALALALAL the endings didn't happen LALALALALAL" + "What did you expect? Bioware can't write ****" etc.

They are funny. )))

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demersel wrote...

In other new: Do the right thing - One last plea thread is very depressing - it's just ****ing and crying over over again with no end to it, and nothing constructive.

Literally it is "LALALALALALAL the endings didn't happen LALALALALAL" + "What did you expect? Bioware can't write ****" etc.

They are funny. )))

Feeling like sharing a link?

@byne: Get well.

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demersel wrote...

In other new: Do the right thing - One last plea thread is very depressing - it's just ****ing and crying over over again with no end to it, and nothing constructive.

Literally it is "LALALALALALAL the endings didn't happen LALALALALAL" + "What did you expect? Bioware can't write ****" etc.

They are funny. )))


Can you really blame them though? IT-ers all have a slightly more optimistic outlook on the ME franchise as a whole since we believe the ME team have something up their sleeves. The majority of the people in that thread don’t believe this so can you really blame them for the doom and gloom attitude?

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Yes. Cause if thing were as bad as they make them seem - ii would really be healthier to just move on. And not keep posting on an internet forum about it. ))

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spotlessvoid wrote...

And since it's the comedy hour:

I once knew a Geth from the Styx
Who liked to write limericks
But he failed at the sport
'Cause he wrote them too short

[Ducks incoming tomatoes] Thank You. I'll be here all night folks


Geth Infiltrator Jun is offended and feels personally victimized by spotlessvoid, says Emily Wong during a private interview.

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I'm going to say something that may cause you all lose your respect to me (if you ever had any, for that matter).

I am content with the original endings.

Original destroy, satisfied me as a fun ending to the 5 year long personal jerney that was mass effect. In fact, what i can't really stand is the EC. - is all too goody-goody, sunshine and rainbows + normandy pick up.

I liked the end i got out of ME3. Yes, the Guardina did not made any sense - so i chose destroy, cause it was what was the whole ME about for me. And then i got a Fall of Hyperion style ending (which if you ask me is AWESOME) - glalxy scattered, outcomes unknown - but one thing is certain - reapers are no more. And the galaxy is free. And still full of wonders. + Shepard is Alive!

Good enough for me.

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demersel wrote...

I'm going to say something that may cause you all lose your respect to me (if you ever had any, for that matter).

I am content with the original endings.

Original destroy, satisfied me as a fun ending to the 5 year long personal jerney that was mass effect. In fact, what i can't really stand is the EC. - is all too goody-goody, sunshine and rainbows + normandy pick up.

I liked the end i got out of ME3. Yes, the Guardina did not made any sense - so i chose destroy, cause it was what was the whole ME about for me. And then i got a Fall of Hyperion style ending (which if you ask me is AWESOME) - glalxy scattered, outcomes unknown - but one thing is certain - reapers are no more. And the galaxy is free. And still full of wonders. + Shepard is Alive!

Good enough for me.

Well... Everybody feels differently about the endings, and you certainly are in the minority for liking the endings pre-EC, and loathing them afterwards. You don't really think you will lose respect for stating this do you?

Modifié par 401 Kill, 13 septembre 2012 - 12:21 .


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I hate rendering....it takes most of my cpu power, and a lot of time. I literally have nothing to do for hours, and can't even play a game in the meantime...

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Rereading last chapters pf Fall oh hyperion.... there was even a crucible like device there - un ultimate weapon, an ultimate trap.

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I gotta disagree demersel. Hundreds of hours and dollars for massive plot holes, a palette swap, and no closure is total unacceptable crap.