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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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The blackout kid is probably just another kid, though they should've expected things like this since only one kid has been seen in the franchise before that pic (not counting 'my sweet' and his freaky scaled down adult model)

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The photo in the upper left corner is not of the kid. It's the same photo that's on the memorial wall to the upper left of ventboy's, just above Shepard's head.


And the same as just to the right of the photo of the kid. In fact all of the photos on memorial wal are present in the blackout crimes wall - it is the same photos. 

No, that one is askewed. And the other one is hanging straight.

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RavenEyry wrote...

The blackout kid is probably just another kid, though they should've expected things like this since only one kid has been seen in the franchise before that pic (not counting 'my sweet' and his freaky scaled down adult model)

Evolution is an amazing force.

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Guys you really can't see that those are THE SAME PEOPLE in both pictures? Every single one.

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demersel wrote...

Guys you really can't see that those are THE SAME PEOPLE in both pictures? Every single one.

Seconded.
The only question you must ask yourselves is:
Why is not the same photo of presumed Starbrat also in the crimestock since all/huge chunk of other photos are identically from memorial wall?

Modifié par Restrider, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:34 .


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demersel wrote...

Guys you really can't see that those are THE SAME PEOPLE in both pictures? Every single one.

Dude, you can't really see that I'm kidding.

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This is a list of the most important questions that need to be answered:

1. Are the reapers still following the orders of their creator, the AI?
2. Are the AI and/or the reapers unshackled?
3. What is the purpose of the Crucible and who inveted it?
4. Where/When does the breath scene take place? 
5. Is Leviathan lying about what it really knows? 
6. 
What did the reapers want in London? 

 

this is a list of all IT evidence to date:

- child running into a locked door
 - reaper noise when shepard talks to kid 
- ventboy appearing alive after explosion
- no one noticing/helping child when he climbs on alliance transporter
- warning signs wherever child appeared
- dream sequences with oily shadows, whispers, shepard chasing ventboy
- shepard complains of headaches
- indoctrination codex entry
- white fade in/outs whenever something dream-like occurs
- anderson being nowhere near shepard during the beam run
- harbinger not shooting down the normandy
- remark about the citadel looking like collector's base (pulled from memory)
- shepard hearing radio comm even though his/her armor is gone
- ashley and kaiden bodies only throughout citadel
- 1 m1 
-  anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him
- shepard bleeding from the same place he/she supposedly shot anderson
- mysterious elevator ride up to the catalyst
- control cut scene associated with TIM, destroy with anderson
- gun changing before and after the destroy explosion
- breath scene in destroy, official shepard lives
- saren advocating synthesis
- TIM advocating control 
- Coat's corpse on the Citadel (only seen with flycam though)
- "SO BE IT" (Starbrat obviously siding with reapers)
- Catalyst/AI using image of the kid (so they are messing with your mind, even in a literal POV) 
- the discussion between TIM and Anderson being directed to Shepard (eye contact confirms this)
- Arrival DLC (Object Rho and especially dialogue with Harbinger saying sth like "Your mind will be ours!")
- the beam not killing Shepard, though it certainly is able to oneshot gunships 
- the relay explosions start at the wrong place
- the rachni queen's description of indoctrination and the black tentacle things creeping across the screen in the TIM scene
- unlimited ammo after shepard is knocked down in beam run
- shepard's constant exposure to reaper artifacts
- no HUD in the ending at all, only other instance are dreams
- rana thanoptis registered case of indoctrination and description of her case very much like shepard's symptoms (and same length of exposure)
- shepard going from barely able to move to acting like she/he hasn't been hurt when going toward device 
- vega asking about humming noise on the normandy
- Anderson looking at the camera and saying "They're controlling you!"
- Leviathan Seizing Shepard's mind shows Shepard on his hands and knees being approached by an entity pulled from his memories
- Some Shepards outright being struck by Object Rho, and being sedated for two days. Harbinger says "Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine"
- Recurring nightmares are a symptom in the audio logs in Arrival
- Indoctrinated Prothean Separatists advocate control
- Indoctrinated Desolas Arterius advocates control and synthesis
- EDI telling you Reapers use peace treaty ruses to pacify people while they indoctrinate them
- Sensations of darkness and cold. Anderson says he's in a dark hallway, and Shepard says he feels like death
- All Crucible functions being activated metaphorically
- Shepard seeing things that undisputably aren't happening. Like TIM and Anderson activating choices
- Shepard's idle animated in ME2&3 is him looking around, acting paranoid
- Buzzing and Ringing prevalent in ME3's musical score
- Infrasound present in game
- Shepard hearing whispers, oily tendrils on the screen and shooting people against his will during the TIM standoff. The scene that follows this is not grounded in reality
- Shepard outright has his mind seized by Leviathan
- Both community managers say IT is equally valid to non IT 
- shepard's eyes if picking synthesis or control
- indoctrination symbols found on the Normandy, Mars, as well as a bunch on the Leviathan DLC as well
- The decision chamber resembles a dialogue wheel.
- Control and destroy are color coded based on paragon and renegade morale alignments respectively. The decision chamber is designed to make the player believe it is morally wrong to destroy the reapers. 
- dream trees that appear after shepard is knocked by the beam
- startchild's voice has both femshep and broshep's voice mixed with its own


mandatory bump of the day with some things added.

Modifié par pseudonymic, 13 septembre 2012 - 06:57 .


#21583
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The dream foliage doesn't count because it appears in grissom station.

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RavenEyry wrote...

The dream foliage doesn't count because it appears in grissom station.


fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixed. one can only keep track of so much. :crying:

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pseudonymic wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The dream foliage doesn't count because it appears in grissom station.


fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixed. one can only keep track of so much. :crying:

It's allright. It appears to be the only factual error on the list, which is the only valid reason to remove something.

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- Anderson looking at the camera and saying "They're controlling you!"


Extended Cut altered this. He no longer looks in to the camera when he says this dialogue.

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- anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him


Video explains how he arrives to the control panel first


Modifié par Dendio1, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:52 .


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Dendio1 wrote...


- anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him


Video explains how he arrives to the control panel first

You killed IT. Posted Image

















Nah, I'm just kidding.

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Home run MF wrote...

It's okay, I took a screenshot of your discovery, but I'm afraid it's a little blurry Posted Image


Hey, cheers. I don't know if it's much of a discovery though. What I did notice today is that the hack code which you find on the childs drawing is written in the same format as that one on the window. Probably just a coincidence. It could be nothing. The code is as follows.......65.81.G.97

Also, the name of the Leviathan Artifact, as described on hadleys diary pad reads, P3X118. Could be just a nerdy reference but....

http://www.stargate-...om/wiki/P3X-118 

Modifié par Ace7, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:01 .


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- harbinger not shooting down the normandy


Edi confirms she can make herself look like a ( non threat) reaper to other reapers


Modifié par Dendio1, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:57 .


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- gun changing before and after the destroy explosion


This is a bug that occurs in other parts of the game, such as killing wrex. His gun changes from a Katana into a Graal mid cutscene.


Katana


Graal

Modifié par Dendio1, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .


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Dendio1 wrote...

- harbinger not shooting down the normandy

Edi confirms she can make herself look like a ( non threat) reaper to other reapers




Nice find. Although.....Harbinger should go to specsavers if that's the case.

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Dendio1 wrote...

- harbinger not shooting down the normandy


Edi confirms she can make herself look like a ( non threat) reaper to other reapers




that's debatable. and it makes no sense, given if you scan a system too many times, they'll come for you anyway. in the end sequence scene, harbinger is RIGHT THERE and can see the normandy. so there's nothing to disguise. 

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Dendio1 wrote...

- Anderson looking at the camera and saying "They're controlling you!"


Extended Cut altered this. He no longer looks in to the camera when he says this dialogue.


also debatable. not everyone who buys the game will download dlc. so unless the fix is included on disc or repaired upon first play, it still stands as the original content being as such.

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Dendio1 wrote...

- anderson being ahead of shepard even though you never see him


Video explains how he arrives to the control panel first


what fly cam can or cannot do should not alter the logic of the game, so i personally don't see it as an explanation.

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Oh! Man! Andeson COULD get the console before shepard!! Harbinger really could not tell that the normandy is not a reaper! Thee gun bug IS common! Screw you all guys! IT is dead. I'm picking synthesys!

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- shepard's eyes if picking synthesis or control


benezia was indoctrinated and had no such eyes, however edi has similar eyes and is not indoctrinated.

The reason for the atypical eyes is that they are synthetic.
EDI has reaper tech and is synthetic

TIM has reaper tech from his first encounter with a reaper device where his eyes were imprinted

" He has close-cropped silver-grey hair with "steely blue" eyes which appear to be prosthetic"

-mass effect wiki.

Shepard melds with reaper tech when choosing synthesis or control.

Modifié par Dendio1, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:14 .


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demersel wrote...

Oh! Man! Andeson COULD get the console before shepard!! Harbinger really could not tell that the normandy is not a reaper! Thee gun bug IS common! Screw you all guys! IT is dead. I'm picking synthesys!


Not if I can reach control first. Race? :D

Modifié par Home run MF, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:21 .


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pseudonymic wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

- Anderson looking at the camera and saying "They're controlling you!"


Extended Cut altered this. He no longer looks in to the camera when he says this dialogue.


also debatable. not everyone who buys the game will download dlc. so unless the fix is included on disc or repaired upon first play, it still stands as the original content being as such.


True, but why change it if IT? EC is clearly the version they intended and so evidence for IT should be based on that.

Modifié par SubAstris, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .


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Home run MF wrote...

demersel wrote...

Oh! Man! Andeson COULD get the console before shepard!! Harbinger really could not tell that the normandy is not a reaper! Thee gun bug IS common! Screw you all guys! IT is dead. I'm picking synthesys!


Not if I can reach control first. Race? :D

Ready. Set. Go. Home Run MF makes a false start. Restart!