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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Ha! No. Here's something to think about: Is me talking with you about this essay considered cheating?


only if we write it and you use it saying it's yours. :P and, you know, submit it to turnitin.com and the bsn comes up as a source. :pinched:

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pseudonymic wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Ha! No. Here's something to think about: Is me talking with you about this essay considered cheating?


only if we write it and you use it saying it's yours. :P and, you know, submit it to turnitin.com and the bsn comes up as a source. :pinched:

Posted Image Right now I'm discussing the irony of cheating to avoid punishment. Do something punishable to avoid punishment. Posted Image

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pseudonymic wrote...

OMGsideboob wrote...

Funny thing about this topic.. Joker said "how do you even know you got out of the virtual reality" after I did the one mission where I enter the Geth consensus on Rannoch... and I began to wonder about something SIMILAR to this theory... What if the ending was done not in reality? What if you got stuck in it and didnt get out and you completed the story as a "Shepard AI" given how Legion said they followed you for years like Collectors did minus the hatred/trying to kill you? What if they replaced you with a realistic Shepard AI to keep you alive as a favor for being a friend of the geth and helping them end their war with the quarians?

Makes sense to me...

don't forget shepard's comment when watching the log for project lazarus, about possibly "being an AI who thinks it's shepard".


That theory of mine makes sense... Regardless, there's money in a Mass Effect 4... It'll happen.

Though I can see there being a prequel allowing you to upload your info and the story would be about your background, either Soul Survivor, Ruthless or War Hero and you relive the events of Shepard's past... Either changing them or following them verbatim sort of like Assassin's Creed in a way...

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OMGsideboob wrote...

That theory of mine makes sense... Regardless, there's money in a Mass Effect 4... It'll happen.

Though I can see there being a prequel allowing you to upload your info and the story would be about your background, either Soul Survivor, Ruthless or War Hero and you relive the events of Shepard's past... Either changing them or following them verbatim sort of like Assassin's Creed in a way...

Here's the kicker: Not many people will buy a prequel if they know this is how it's going to end. It would be very nihilistic. As well, they can't make a proper ME4 with the ending choices we have now. I think that's good news for us. Posted Image

Edit: In summary, keeping the endings how they are is suicide.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:10 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hello. I'm at school working on an essay about cheating, Any pointer? Also, I still think about that "You'd hold on to your copies forever" thing...


Cheating as in academic or in relationships?

Academic cheating.

Search adderall and oxiracetam, half the people on my course take it during exam time... not sure if you count that as cheating but it can't be good for them :lol:

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Anybody else get the feeling that the catalyst has the same abilities as leviathan?
I mean I thought it was pretty suspicious and familar like at the end of the dlc your on your knees and levi walks up to you and says "Your mind belongs to me."And then he says "Breath".
Thats exactly the same thing the catalyst did,except he said "Wake up."
So I have a feeling that the catalyst is real but has the same abilities that leviathan does,and the reapers sort of have the same ability,except they simply cant just take control of your mind immediately,but they have to take control over time.

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I should go. I'll see you later. :)

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zninjazzero wrote...

 Is there a complete list of IT evidence out there?  All the lists at the start of the thread are either incomplete or outdated, and while the videos are informative, they're also really long; an actual list would be easier to call upon.

In the case that there isn't a better, up to date list out there, I threw this together: 

docs.google.com/document/d/14_pSRzmHAARUx1SzRJaHMYBhBr5_ymMMgRmfYO1oXhY/edit


Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

OMGsideboob wrote...

That theory of mine makes sense... Regardless, there's money in a Mass Effect 4... It'll happen.

Though I can see there being a prequel allowing you to upload your info and the story would be about your background, either Soul Survivor, Ruthless or War Hero and you relive the events of Shepard's past... Either changing them or following them verbatim sort of like Assassin's Creed in a way...

Here's the kicker: Not many people will buy a prequel if they know this is how it's going to end. It would be very nihilistic. As well, they can't make a proper ME4 with the ending choices we have now. I think that's good news for us. Posted Image

Edit: In summary, keeping the endings how they are is suicide.


Banshee! A cheating essay? Have you mentioned Kai Leng?
I agree about the endings, people are only gonna buy DLC if they think it changes something.

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SubAstris wrote...

Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...

When people say "It might be a last breath" I say "There shouldn't be enough left for any kind of breath"

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RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...

When people say "It might be a last breath" I say "There shouldn't be enough left for any kind of breath"


I'm sure it's not a last gasp anyway, people who are just about to die do not inhale like that

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SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...

When people say "It might be a last breath" I say "There shouldn't be enough left for any kind of breath"


I'm sure it's not a last gasp anyway, people who are just about to die do not inhale like that

I also mention that, I just consider the body not being the consistency of a puddle a more important factor.

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SubAstris wrote...

zninjazzero wrote...

 Is there a complete list of IT evidence out there?  All the lists at the start of the thread are either incomplete or outdated, and while the videos are informative, they're also really long; an actual list would be easier to call upon.

In the case that there isn't a better, up to date list out there, I threw this together: 

docs.google.com/document/d/14_pSRzmHAARUx1SzRJaHMYBhBr5_ymMMgRmfYO1oXhY/edit


Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...


Narrative due was paid to the amount of damage Shepard took during the Collector attack.  He suffocated, was scalded on reentry, and was out of commission for 2 years of intense and costly rebuilding. It is even left ambiguous until Kronos Station whether Shepard had even died or not.  People Suffocate and are brought back all the time using modern medicine. And they didn't have the state of the art armor Shepard did. One would imagine he could take more damage in the future and still be healed.

During the Beam Rush, Shepard is hit with a beam that can tear through starships and disintegrate people on contact. Everyone who rushes the beam is annihilated. Dozens and dozens of soldiers.  Except Shepard. And Anderson for some reason.  

There's a difference. You can't just say it's Sci-Fi, so anything goes. The universe has to be consistent, otherwise the fiction is broken.


Or were you talking about his fall to London? Because I address that in the list, too.

Modifié par zninjazzero, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...

When people say "It might be a last breath" I say "There shouldn't be enough left for any kind of breath"


I'm sure it's not a last gasp anyway, people who are just about to die do not inhale like that

I also mention that, I just consider the body not being the consistency of a puddle a more important factor.


:D Yeah, BW can't do death realistically, no biggie

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zninjazzero wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

zninjazzero wrote...

 Is there a complete list of IT evidence out there?  All the lists at the start of the thread are either incomplete or outdated, and while the videos are informative, they're also really long; an actual list would be easier to call upon.

In the case that there isn't a better, up to date list out there, I threw this together: 

docs.google.com/document/d/14_pSRzmHAARUx1SzRJaHMYBhBr5_ymMMgRmfYO1oXhY/edit


Just scanned it, saw the heading, "Shepard should be dead". Likewise, Shepard should be no more after crashing into a PLANET, but no one says anything...


Narrative due was paid to the amount of damage Shepard took during the Collector attack.  He suffocated, was scalded on reentry, and was out of commission for 2 years of intense and costly rebuilding. It is even left ambiguous until Kronos Station whether Shepard had even died or not.  People Suffocate and are brought back all the time using modern medicine. One would imagine he could take more damage in the future.

During the Beam Rush, Shepard is hit with a beam that can tear through starships and disintegrate people on contact. Everyone who rushes the beam is annihilated. Dozens and dozens of Soldiers.  Except Shepard. And Anderson for some reason.  

There's a difference. You can't just say it's Sci-Fi, so anything goes. The universe has to be consistent, otherwise the fiction is broken.


In all fairness most people don't crash into planets

As for most others dying during the beam rush, that's because they got direct hits, Shepard didn't, neither presumingly did Anderson

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SubAstris wrote...

As for most others dying during the beam rush, that's because they got direct hits, Shepard didn't, neither presumingly did Anderson


even so, the explosion after destroy should have been more than enough for shepard to be killed deader than dead, and for there not to be any breath scene afterwards.

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Anderson presumably had some kind of tactical cloak because you don't see him in the run and he gets through completely unscathed. True that the beam doesn't hit Shepard though. It just hits the ground no closer then several other shots and somehow causes grievous harm.

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SubAstris wrote...


In all fairness most people don't crash into planets

As for most others dying during the beam rush, that's because they got direct hits, Shepard didn't, neither presumingly did Anderson


That would still mean that Harbinger managed to kill everyone rushing the beam, dozens of people, and then only wing Shepard. Shepard was holding still, shielding his eyes while Harbinger was firing, and based on the way Harbinger pauses and vocalizes, he knows he's shooting at Shepard. Then Shepard was uncoscious, and instead of finishing the job of killing his most dangerous enemy, Harbinger just leaves.

Judging by how healthy Anderson was on the Citadel, it looks like he wasn't even hit, which just raises more questions, like why does Coats call off the advance when Anderson is a) alive and well, and B) still in charge of whether or not to call off the advance.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Anderson presumably had some kind of tactical cloak because you don't see him in the run and he gets through completely unscathed. True that the beam doesn't hit Shepard though. It just hits the ground no closer then several other shots and somehow causes grievous harm.


Which is even more suspicious in the extended cut as Shepard stumbles to the ground, and Harbinger has the time to voice a creepy little sigh of satisfaction and his infamous bit of reaperese that absolutely, totally doesn't sound like "serve us" (even though it does) before leisurely zapping him. 

How the hell can Harby miss Shepard when s/he's lying helpless on the ground? He has 6 eyes ffs!?

Edit: Ninja'd

Modifié par Eryri, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:14 .


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zninjazzero wrote...
still in charge of whether or not to call off the advance.

Note they were specifically ordered to advance at all costs and the first thing Shep hears after the lazer is the order to retreat.

EDIT: It's almost like it's trying to demoralise you. The fleet made a good show of itself on arrival but by the time you meet Mr. Sparkle they're being wiped out.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:44 .


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Protip: If you saved the geth, you eventually arrive on the citadel post-ending and discover that 600 geth hunters walked straight past all the reaper forces without anyone noticing...

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TSA_383 wrote...

Protip: If you saved the geth, you eventually arrive on the citadel post-ending and discover that 600 geth hunters walked straight past all the reaper forces without anyone noticing...


Well this proves IT is true.

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Ah Miranda, a loyalist to the core.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:51 .


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Btw, a fancy piece of equipment that corpse has. A portable medical database, probably with real-time scanning functionality.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:00 .


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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here:

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And its very very very unlikely that "whats in store" is revealing everything we saw in the ending happened as seen.


he could've been refering to leviathan