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[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Leviathan confrontation> sovereign
LotSB>Leviathan>Overlord.

Reasoning is purely because im a big Liara fan, and I loved overlords ending, but the virtual reality was a bit tedious

Leviathan was nowhere near as awesome as Sovereign, in my opinion.

Sovereign > All Reapers  Harbinger is AWESOME (And has the potential to be better IF he gets some frakking dialogue.), don't get me wrong, but Sovvy's revelation... *shivers* chills just thinking about it.

[Eryri]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Leviathan was nowhere near as awesome as Sovereign, in my opinion.

Sovereign > All Reapers  Harbinger is AWESOME (And has the potential to be better IF he gets some frakking dialogue.), don't get me wrong, but Sovvy's revelation... *shivers* chills just thinking about it.

"You exist because we allow it. You will die because we demand it"  

Awesome scene. Best and most chilling dialogue from a villainous AI since "I'm afraid I can't do that Dave".

Modifié par Eryri, 13 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Leviathan confrontation> sovereign
LotSB>Leviathan>Overlord.

Reasoning is purely because im a big Liara fan, and I loved overlords ending, but the virtual reality was a bit tedious

Leviathan was nowhere near as awesome as Sovereign, in my opinion.

Nothing compares to:
"YOU ARE NOT SAREN!
Rudamentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."

[Jusseb]

Indeed, that conversation is what i remember when i think of Mass Effect.

The rest of the series never matched that for me.

[BleedingUranium]

Kinda makes me wish I hadn't known the entire plot of ME1/2 before playing them

[Home run MF]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Kinda makes me wish I hadn't known the entire plot of ME1/2 before playing them

Who spoiled it? Or was it yourself? 

[prettz]

 Sovereign= Reapers sounding awesome,
Leviathan = Reapers awesomeness reduced to rotting corpse.

[paxxton]

prettz wrote...

 Sovereign= Reapers sounding awesome,
Leviathan = Reapers awesomeness reduced to rotting corpse.

Leviathan is NOT a Reaper.

[Gwyphon]

I found the leviathans to be more menacing than any other reaper conversation. Maybe it was that I was at the bottom of the ocean with one looking over me but I felt very threatened while talking to them.

[prettz]

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

 Sovereign= Reapers sounding awesome,
Leviathan = Reapers awesomeness reduced to rotting corpse.

Leviathan is NOT a Reaper.

I know that. It's the info the Leviathan gives me about the Reapers that killing my fascination of the Reapers.

[paxxton]

prettz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

 Sovereign= Reapers sounding awesome,
Leviathan = Reapers awesomeness reduced to rotting corpse.

Leviathan is NOT a Reaper.

I know that. It's the info the Leviathan gives me about the Reapers that killing my fascination of the Reapers.

Oh, that's different. Well, that was the harsh truth about the pinnacle of evolution. Or was it not?

[TSA_383]

Dendio1 wrote...



Levvy dlc ranks top 2 of all dlc i've ever bought (imo). ( loved the investigative nature, the mystery and the excellent underwater encounter)

Star kid came out of left field, which is part of the reason its so easy to assume he doesn't really exist. Leviathan dlc adds a crucial layer of foreshadowing that makes star kid's existence much more credible. Adding star kid within the narrative, rather than the last five mins hugely legitimizes the final encounter and improves the ending.

Rather than going * who the **** are you?* as you meet him in the last 5 mins of the game, you now expect to deal with this AI controlling the reapers before the games end. You see him approach and recall that this is what levvy was talking about

It also made it a lot less trustworthy.
"Huh, so an AI controlling a race of synthetics made from organics with the ability to get inside people's heads and control them using their memories, which it forced to become some semi-synthetic hybrid, just as it has done for every advanced race since, is speaking to me (after a set of really surreal scenes in which I charged towards some reaper device of unknown purpose whilst being shot at by harbinger and then woke up staggering around like in those strange dreams I had whilst weird foliage appeared, then reached the beam, arrived unconscious on the citadel, got jolted awake by something, met Anderson who apparently was too shy to say hello at ground level, made TIM kill himself, passed out AGAIN in just the right spot to be on a magic floating elevator to heaven outer space, at which point the AI controlling the reapers wakes me up again...) and trying to persuade me that it's a good idea to merge organic and synthetic life (y'know, like it's been doing for a billion years or thereabouts), and that destroying the reapers really isn't a solution to anything. Well okay, this AI has only been trying to wipe out all advanced life in the galaxy, we should give its solution a shot."

[spotlessvoid]

If Gamble is referring to Leviathan in those remarks then he is nuts. Leviathan was a pretty cool DLC, but it certainly has no impact on the reaction to the endings.

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If Gamble is referring to Leviathan in those remarks then he is nuts. Leviathan was a pretty cool DLC, but it certainly has no impact on the reaction to the endings.

But Leviathans had a dramatic impact on the ending. The Starchild himself welcomed their involvement!

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If Gamble is referring to Leviathan in those remarks then he is nuts. Leviathan was a pretty cool DLC, but it certainly has no impact on the reaction to the endings.

But Leviathans had a dramatic impact on the ending. The Starchild himself welcomed their involvement!

That's about all it did. You'd think that the leviathans could've had at least some impact on the ending, adding like 4 lines during the ending but not affecting it is  disappointing. Gamble could not have possibly been referring to that. The only other possible explanation is that he was referring to something that vastly enhances the game.

[prettz]

Truthfully I did not want to know where or how the Reapers came to be. The question was much more fascinating then any answer could be.  The way Sovereign explains the reapers are beyond comprehension got my imagination going all over the place, loved it. Kind of wish that the Leviathan was the failed synthesis attempts instead.

course ME3 was also about the Reapers are not all that great as they say they are.  heck they been reduced to the point where asking if they have AI shackles.

this is just my view of likes and dislikes.

Modifié par prettz, 13 septembre 2012 - 11:52 .

[Dendio1]

Gwyphon wrote...

I found the leviathans to be more menacing than any other reaper conversation. Maybe it was that I was at the bottom of the ocean with one looking over me but I felt very threatened while talking to them.

The atmosphere was perfect. " You have come too far" "This is not your domain, you have breached the darkness"

All the while in the back of your mind, you don't know how long your atlas will hold up under the pressure, you worry about lack of resources to get back to surface, you feel very vulnerable in the atlas

And you are trying to figure out if levvy is a reaper and wondering if he will be aggressive. Great set up all around

Modifié par Dendio1, 13 septembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[MaximizedAction]

prettz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

 Sovereign= Reapers sounding awesome,
Leviathan = Reapers awesomeness reduced to rotting corpse.

Leviathan is NOT a Reaper.

I know that. It's the info the Leviathan gives me about the Reapers that killing my fascination of the Reapers.

Same here.

There is the real world with facts, where facts are what they are and their validity and fact-fulness doesn't depend whether they have an impact on your feeling towards them.
Fictional stories however have that degree of freedom of NOT having something as fact in order to keep the story interesting to the people.
Mass Effect shouldn't strive towards the former, but by removing the mystery and pure brutality of the Reapers they exactly did that only to give them a (somewhat) defined background. To me, this is what keeps fading the quality of the story, that added amount of information that I percieve as unnecessary.

But I already wondered about this before and with every passing week I keep wondering more and more whether ME just turns out as not a story for me. Maybe I've been on the wrong bus here...

Dear diary, have I spent too much time on Mass Effect? 

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 septembre 2012 - 11:49 .

[TSA_383]

BleedingUranium wrote...
I thought Leviathan was quite good. No earth shattering revelations, but good, and a lot more points for IT.

This is why the end felt mediocre.

Wait, what? That music played on mine, I swear!

[401 Kill]

TSA_383 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
I thought Leviathan was quite good. No earth shattering revelations, but good, and a lot more points for IT.

This is why the end felt mediocre.

Wait, what? That music played on mine, I swear!

It did? I remember BleedingUranium saying that it was cut and never apeared in-game.

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
I thought Leviathan was quite good. No earth shattering revelations, but good, and a lot more points for IT.

This is why the end felt mediocre.

Wait, what? That music played on mine, I swear!

It did? I remember BleedingUranium saying that it was cut and never apeared in-game.

Did not play in mine. I had music on. It was also on in the video. It makes me wonder if there was music in London, but it was cut.

[SubAstris]

prettz wrote...

Truthfully I did not want to know where or how the Reapers came to be. The question was much more fascinating then any answer could be.  The way Sovereign explains the reapers are beyond comprehension got my imagination going all over the place, loved it. Kind of wish that the Leviathan was the failed synthesis attempts instead.

course ME3 was also about the Reapers are not all that great as they say they are.  heck they been reduced to the point where asking if they have AI shackles.

this is just my view of likes and dislikes.

]

That brings up an interesting question, how many people would have liked to keep the Reapers' motives a secret? I guess most people would answer that question, "I wanted no explanations for why the Reapers happen to do what they do" now they have had it revealed in this game (and been subsequently shocked by how badly it was done) , but before playing ME3, how did anyone feel. I for one wanted to know

[lex0r11]

Hey, what's up people?

*collective high five*

Anything new?

[prettz]

SOON

[BansheeOwnage]

The end of a game in Battlefield 3 is more satisfying than the end of ME3. Why? Music. They knew what they were doing. Music sets the tone and emotion of any story. No music in the end run = something's up. It's very strange.