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[demersel]

What's up dudes and dudettes?

[Gwyphon]

Sky, demersel. Sky. That and an awfully quiet thread.

[lex0r11]

Ssshhhhhh.

We are hunting.

[FellishBeast]

What do you guys think about the possibility that ME3 is a hallucination test-type thing induced by the Leviathans? Consider all the inconsistencies introduced in ME3 (from the beginning) and blatant lore-breaking anomalies that seem to get swept under the rug. I know it sounds a bit crazy, just something to consider, since we don't have much else to speculate about atm ;p

Also, what if Object Rho was a Leviathan artifact and not Reaper?

[spotlessvoid]

Gwyphon wrote...

Draws the whole reality of the end into further question as that sound is now attributed to a change from reality to illusion.

I had to find a different video that shows that sound at the beginning, the link starts after. Tetraninja couldn't keep quiet but it's at the beginning of Leviathan scene and I didn't feel like looking further but it's the same sound.
I understand the connection, I'm wondering what the significance of the timing of it on the citadel was

[Dendio1]

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because

Modifié par Dendio1, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[Dendio1]

Would not be surprised if bioware just forgot about it, look at how they did morinth after all

[Gwyphon]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Draws the whole reality of the end into further question as that sound is now attributed to a change from reality to illusion.

I had to find a different video that shows that sound at the beginning, the link starts after. Tetraninja couldn't keep quiet but it's at the beginning of Leviathan scene and I didn't feel like looking further but it's the same sound.
I understand the connection, I'm wondering what the significance of the timing of it on the citadel was

Mmm well I'm not quite sure what the sound represents in the first place. My guess would be Shepard's mind jumping back into control. This would lead me to believe that Shepard walking up the beam after passing out after the Harbinger laser was forced upon him, then he was regiven control at the top of the beam within the dream. This is all under the assumption that everything past the harbinger laser is a hallucination, but I'm not really sure.

[Hrothdane]

Dendio1 wrote...

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because

We had a discussion about this a few days ago, actually, and I thought that there was a source from BioWare that said they considered Arrival canon.

I think it was written by Walters and/or Hudson, too.

[Gwyphon]

Dendio1 wrote...

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because

They could reference it as it's canon that Shepard takes part of it (it's stated in the Conviction comic). They could reference it if they like but they most likely wouldn't. It is strange though that it's the only option DLC that is directly referenced and stated to very much be canon.

[FFZero]

Dendio1 wrote...

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because


Would not be surprised if bioware just forgot about it, look at how they did morinth after all

While that is true they couldn’t be further apart it terms of relevance. I don’t know the statistics obviously but I imagine that the percentage of people who chose Morinth over Samara is rather small, it’s like what happened with Jacob. Only a small percentage of people had a Shepard who romanced him so his romance was dropped in ME3. Is that fair on the people who did romance him? No it’s not. Is it fair on the people who did choose Morinth over Samara to only get a token battle with Morinth as an enemy and not something more meaningful? Again no it’s not, but when resources are limited, are you really going to pour a lot into an option that not many people chose?

Arrival and Object Rho are a whole different matter. Arrival is a very important part of Shepards story, Bioware have said so themselves and have made it’s events ‘canon’ since it’s mentioned in the other forms of media. Bioware will do something with it, it’d be crazy not to, but will it be something meaningful? If IT turns out to be true it could be a condition of how easy/difficult it is to break free. If you completed Arrival it’s harder, if not it’s easier.


I seem to remember a post on Patrick Weekes' twitter feed recently about horribly complicated conditionals...

[Restrider]

@Demersel:
Did you read the "Commonwealth Cycle" written by Peter F. Hamilton? If so, there are parts that resemble IT, too. I don't know if this is of any relevance, since there is no direct link between these novels and ME 3 or the ME team.

Btw, something to add to the IT list:

- Rana Thanoptis and her indoctrination years after her work for Saren on Virmire

This is actually quite important to understand how indoctrination works on a time scale.

Modifié par Restrider, 14 septembre 2012 - 09:04 .

[FellishBeast]

FFZero wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because


Would not be surprised if bioware just forgot about it, look at how they did morinth after all

While that is true they couldn’t be further apart it terms of relevance. I don’t know the statistics obviously but I imagine that the percentage of people who chose Morinth over Samara is rather small, it’s like what happened with Jacob. Only a small percentage of people had a Shepard who romanced him so his romance was dropped in ME3. Is that fair on the people who did romance him? No it’s not. Is it fair on the people who did choose Morinth over Samara to only get a token battle with Morinth as an enemy and not something more meaningful? Again no it’s not, but when resources are limited, are you really going to pour a lot into an option that not many people chose?

Arrival and Object Rho are a whole different matter. Arrival is a very important part of Shepards story, Bioware have said so themselves and have made it’s events ‘canon’ since it’s mentioned in the other forms of media. Bioware will do something with it, it’d be crazy not to, but will it be something meaningful? If IT turns out to be true it could be a condition of how easy/difficult it is to break free. If you completed Arrival it’s harder, if not it’s easier.


I seem to remember a post on Patrick Weekes' twitter feed recently about horribly complicated conditionals...

I think Arrival is very important to the ending. Don't forget that the start of the mass relay chain reaction at the end starts in that very system, and Aratoht is one of the few places Shepard could be plausibly waking up in the Destroy ending. The Citadel is out of the equation, imo, so it's between London and the asteroid for me. And honestly, the asteroid is making more and more sense the more I look into things.

[Ace7]

Restrider wrote...

Btw, something to add to the IT list:

- Rana Thanoptis and her indoctrination years after her work for Saren on Virmire

This is actually quite important to understand how indoctrination works on a time scale.

+1 

Also, I'm still laughing at the "Shifty Looking Cow" post-it note. You crack me up Bioware. 

[Skillz1986]

'sup people?
Since i have only been an active IT member during mark I and have somehow missed mark II, i don't know if this has been mentioned already.

Now i know the prothean has been discussed to death in mark I and mostly people were trying to debunk IT (oh god...thos memories).
Anyway, the
prothean vi, clearly makes a distinction between the catalyst, and the reapers' "master".

Liara:" we thought the reapers created the cycle"
Prothean vi: (i do not remember the exact quote) perhaps, but we believe they are inly its servants, following a higher entity.
Shepard: who?
Vi: unknown its presence is only referred rather than observed

Then..before kai leng appears it talks about the catalyst, which means, that these two are not the same.

I hope i can get my point across, thanks for reading.

[RavenEyry]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Then..before kai leng appears it talks about the catalyst, which means, that these two are not the same.

Excellent observation, though it doesn't guarantee the catalyst isn't the leader because it says it doesn't know what the leader is. Not that that VI is very trustworthy.

[FFZero]

FellishBeast wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because


Would not be surprised if bioware just forgot about it, look at how they did morinth after all

While that is true they couldn’t be further apart it terms of relevance. I don’t know the statistics obviously but I imagine that the percentage of people who chose Morinth over Samara is rather small, it’s like what happened with Jacob. Only a small percentage of people had a Shepard who romanced him so his romance was dropped in ME3. Is that fair on the people who did romance him? No it’s not. Is it fair on the people who did choose Morinth over Samara to only get a token battle with Morinth as an enemy and not something more meaningful? Again no it’s not, but when resources are limited, are you really going to pour a lot into an option that not many people chose?

Arrival and Object Rho are a whole different matter. Arrival is a very important part of Shepards story, Bioware have said so themselves and have made it’s events ‘canon’ since it’s mentioned in the other forms of media. Bioware will do something with it, it’d be crazy not to, but will it be something meaningful? If IT turns out to be true it could be a condition of how easy/difficult it is to break free. If you completed Arrival it’s harder, if not it’s easier.


I seem to remember a post on Patrick Weekes' twitter feed recently about horribly complicated conditionals...

I think Arrival is very important to the ending. Don't forget that the start of the mass relay chain reaction at the end starts in that very system, and Aratoht is one of the few places Shepard could be plausibly waking up in the Destroy ending. The Citadel is out of the equation, imo, so it's between London and the asteroid for me. And honestly, the asteroid is making more and more sense the more I look into things.

Wait, what? How would that be possible? Aratoht doesn't exist anymore... unless you’re saying that you think everything from Shepard being brain blasted by Object Rho onwards is all a hallucination?

[Hrothdane]

Skillz1986 wrote...

'sup people?
Since i have only been an active IT member during mark I and have somehow missed mark II, i don't know if this has been mentioned already.

Now i know the prothean has been discussed to death in mark I and mostly people were trying to debunk IT (oh god...thos memories).
Anyway, the
prothean vi, clearly makes a distinction between the catalyst, and the reapers' "master".

Liara:" we thought the reapers created the cycle"
Prothean vi: (i do not remember the exact quote) perhaps, but we believe they are inly its servants, following a higher entity.
Shepard: who?
Vi: unknown its presence is only referred rather than observed

Then..before kai leng appears it talks about the catalyst, which means, that these two are not the same.

I hope i can get my point across, thanks for reading.

Welcome back! I've only been here since around when Mark III first started myself.

While I don't know if we discussed that conversation specifically since I've been here, I know that what you are talking about definitely relates to Leviathan, and is supported by something in there. I don't know if you have played it, so I'll mark it with a spoiler.


SPOILER


The Leviathan speaks of "The Intelligence" as the guiding force behind the Reapers, but never calls it the Catalyst or says that it is on the Citadel.

[Ace7]

Skillz1986 wrote...

'sup people?
Since i have only been an active IT member during mark I and have somehow missed mark II, i don't know if this has been mentioned already.

Now i know the prothean has been discussed to death in mark I and mostly people were trying to debunk IT (oh god...thos memories).
Anyway, the
prothean vi, clearly makes a distinction between the catalyst, and the reapers' "master".

Liara:" we thought the reapers created the cycle"
Prothean vi: (i do not remember the exact quote) perhaps, but we believe they are inly its servants, following a higher entity.
Shepard: who?
Vi: unknown its presence is only referred rather than observed

Then..before kai leng appears it talks about the catalyst, which means, that these two are not the same.

I hope i can get my point across, thanks for reading.

:oOu...... ramifications.........exciting.  I may have to look at that conversation later. 

[Gwyphon]

I just want to note that any time we have a conversation with a VI or found anything about the crucible, the Illusive man has already had time to possibly tamper with it. Seems very sus...
Especially when in the cerberus base the VI says "Security protocal breeched" or something.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 14 septembre 2012 - 10:13 .

[RavenEyry]

Gwyphon wrote...

I just want to note that any time we have a conversation with a VI or found anything about the crucible, the Illusive man has already had time to possibly tamper with it. Seems very sus...
Especially when in the cerberus base the VI says "Security protocal breeched" or something.

Javik is the only reliable prothean source in 3, and he knows nothing about reaper controllers or catalysts. I think he only vaguely knows of something called 'crucible' too.

[Ace7]

Gwyphon wrote...

I just want to note that any time we have a conversation with a VI or found anything about the crucible, the Illusive man has already had time to possibly tamper with it. Seems very sus...
Especially when in the cerberus base the VI says "Security protocal breeched" or something. .

I can't remember, but is it specifically stated that cerberus has tampered with the VI before Shep gets there? Also, what did TIM want with that VI again. Jeez, my memory is sh*te this morning. 

Modifié par Ace7, 14 septembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[Skillz1986]

@gwyphon
Yeah, we alredy discussed it in mark I...it became a whole theoryhow the prothean vi was hacked and overridden by cerberus to tell shepard what TIM wanted him to hear. To lead him into a trap on the citadel, while in reality tim was on omega, which in itself is a crucible prototype...damn, how i missed all those speculations

[Ace7]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@gwyphon
Yeah, we alredy discussed it in mark I...it became a whole theoryhow the prothean vi was hacked and overridden by cerberus to tell shepard what TIM wanted him to hear. To lead him into a trap on the citadel, while in reality TIM was on omega, which in itself is a crucible prototype...damn, how i missed all those speculations

recent speculations were discussed regarding Omega and it being another possible "object rho" type device or related to the Omega relay, similar to the asteroid on which Object rho is buried into, which controls the alpha relay.

Why would TIM steal the VI after hacking it and altering it's programming?

[Skillz1986]

@ace7
It was hacled and overriden on chronos station, since it is then when it tells shepard to go to the citadel