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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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the doc was a prisoner of the collectors.. i doubt it was worth attempting to indoctrinate people your going to melt down into paste.. but if theres one lesson to learn.. its that you cant trust anyone you may suspect of being indoctrinated..or anyone held as a prisoner of reaper forces.. i wouldnt trust or allow any sort of freedom to access guns and explosives...

thats why i dont trust vega and anyone left on earth... lone survivors and people left for days/weeks with reaper forces are highly suspect.. its just a shame you cant make shepard say or act like this.. but then shep is the most suspect of all.. and im sure hacket and anderson feel that way about him.. but they know theres nobody else who can do it...

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Alright, thanks doveberry.

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What i have always found it strange, that anderson seems to forget, having already told you aboit him being from london. He does it two times via vidcomm. And then back on earth in the shuttel, he does it again..and shepard reacts like he didn't know already...andersons facial expression is also very strange

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Does he really? I only remember him saying it once.

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Where's Pseudonymic?

To my amazement I noticed that one of the most compelling pieces of evidence is still missing from the IT evidence list:

- The sound effect that plays during the confrontation with TIM & Anderson on the Citadel, is actually a Reaper horn when played at double speed. (See my signature)

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Doveberry wrote...

Does he really? I only remember him saying it once.

I could swear I heard it twice, via a comm and in London.

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Yes he does...if you talk to him whenever he is available on vidcomm, he mentions it twice. The last time he does it before earth is after thessia, when he tells you that it's not your fault etc. I believe the exact phrsing is " i was born in london and it looks like i might die here to"

But he also does it before that.

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Also on vidcomm..i dont exactly know what he says..but i know shepard's response "when this is over, you can show me london" to which andereon replies "it might need a ne coat of paint first"

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What's the meaning behing him doing this? I doubt it's dementia. Might be pointing to him being indoctrinated and signaling it in this way. Could also be a message from the real Anderson that London is a trap.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 septembre 2012 - 03:21 .


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I honestly can't tell. Just strikes me as odd everytime i see it.

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i suppose if you were being controlled the only way you could let someone know.. is if you started acting weird and repeating yourself.. but we all know sheps a bit of a moron.. at spotting the obvious

Modifié par TheWill, 14 septembre 2012 - 03:21 .


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Not to mention Shepard's sarcastic "...really?" when he mentions it the second time.

And then he goes on to say the Reapers united the galaxy, only to be corrected by a squadmate that it was Shepard.

It seems to suggest Anderson is (starting to become) indoctrinated.

Questions!

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

2. Can anyone tell me what the frak EDI is talking about when she says "Leviathan's shackles are weird..." What shackles? I really don't understand that line. It's a bit of post-mission dialogue when you visit her in the cockpit. Does anyone know?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not to mention Shepard's sarcastic "...really?" when he mentions it the second time.

And then he goes on to say the Reapers united the galaxy, only to be corrected by a squadmate that it was Shepard.

It seems to suggest Anderson is (starting to become) indoctrinated.

Questions!

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

2. Can anyone tell me what the frak EDI is talking about when she says "Leviathan's shackles are weird..." What shackles? I really don't understand that line. It's a bit of post-mission dialogue when you visit her in the cockpit. Does anyone know?



Leviathan's victims metion feelings of both coldness and darkness. Shackles could simply be refering to Leviathan's control over his thralls.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not to mention Shepard's sarcastic "...really?" when he mentions it the second time.

And then he goes on to say the Reapers united the galaxy, only to be corrected by a squadmate that it was Shepard.

It seems to suggest Anderson is (starting to become) indoctrinated.

Questions!

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

2. Can anyone tell me what the frak EDI is talking about when she says "Leviathan's shackles are weird..." What shackles? I really don't understand that line. It's a bit of post-mission dialogue when you visit her in the cockpit. Does anyone know?

1. I guess it's out of confusion. Shepard and squadmates usually travel in a shuttle throughout the game.
2. Never heard that line. Would like to read the answer too.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not to mention Shepard's sarcastic "...really?" when he mentions it the second time.

And then he goes on to say the Reapers united the galaxy, only to be corrected by a squadmate that it was Shepard.

It seems to suggest Anderson is (starting to become) indoctrinated.

Questions!

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

2. Can anyone tell me what the frak EDI is talking about when she says "Leviathan's shackles are weird..." What shackles? I really don't understand that line. It's a bit of post-mission dialogue when you visit her in the cockpit. Does anyone know?


Think she's talking about people it controls, making them feel cold and dark.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not to mention Shepard's sarcastic "...really?" when he mentions it the second time.

And then he goes on to say the Reapers united the galaxy, only to be corrected by a squadmate that it was Shepard.

It seems to suggest Anderson is (starting to become) indoctrinated.

Questions!

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

2. Can anyone tell me what the frak EDI is talking about when she says "Leviathan's shackles are weird..." What shackles? I really don't understand that line. It's a bit of post-mission dialogue when you visit her in the cockpit. Does anyone know?

It's not really a sarcastic really but it's still wierd considering some of us already heard the line. Some of his lines could also be pointing to Shepard being indoctrinated. He says, "It's too bad it took the Reapers to bring us all together." The squadmate will then say something to the effect of "Shepard did that" Then he responds, "That's exactly what I meant". Could this mean that the Reapers are controlling Shepard? I don't know, but I definitely think there's something to Anderson's odd behavior in London. If you watch very closely in London, you can see him moving in odd ways similar to the way he moves when controlled by TIM.

In the scene where Shepard looks directly at the screen when saying "Harbinger" Anderson is in a very wierd position. He says wierd things. He's either indoctrinated or meant to tell the player that something isn't right.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Not to mention Shepard's sarcastic "...really?" when he mentions it the second time.

And then he goes on to say the Reapers united the galaxy, only to be corrected by a squadmate that it was Shepard.

It seems to suggest Anderson is (starting to become) indoctrinated.

Questions!

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

2. Can anyone tell me what the frak EDI is talking about when she says "Leviathan's shackles are weird..." What shackles? I really don't understand that line. It's a bit of post-mission dialogue when you visit her in the cockpit. Does anyone know?



Leviathan's victims metion feelings of both coldness and darkness. Shackles could simply be refering to Leviathan's control over his thralls.

Hmm... So she's describing it in her own words. Her take on synthetic poetry (figurative meaning). Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 14 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .


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Interesting about Anderson's movements. I'm at London right now in my game, I'll check it out.

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i allways assumed when ventboy was running away in the dreams he was running away from shepard.. the reaper sounds and red light only appear when shep gets near the kid.. i thought this was suggesting that shepard is the reaper...

i also assume everyone on earth is indoctrinated... major coats seems to be the most likely.. in big ben for 3 days.. somehow managed to escape.. if you look at big ben.. its untouched by reapers... no damage at all.

Anybody ever watched captain scarlett? you could allways spot the bad guys with their evil features and dark circles under the eyes... i think the same is for mass effects indoctrinated..
that scene where coats talks to shepard alone.. he gives shep this look.. this evil shadowed face look like some kind of villain.. (i think i would have put a slug in his head and told people he went outside for a smoke or something)

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

1. Why are people saying the dream starts at the shuttle crash? There is no shuttle crash. They're in a tank before they get to the beam run.

The shuttle the squad takes to Earth crashes doesn't it?

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TheWill wrote...

*snip*

shepard is the reaper...

*snip*

Just tell me you didn't read the Truth Theory. Posted Image

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no but i did just come across this video.. im sure many of you have already seen it.. but ive been away from the forums for a while and i laughed hard when i watched this.. if it really id genuine it answers a few questions.. especially about major coats...



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Regardless of the ending, you didnt see Master Chief, Sonic, Mario, Crash Bandicoot, Marcus Fenix nor Capt Price die in the endings of their trilogies... Yes, to me Shepard belongs amongst the all-time greats of video game characters...

Shepard ending this way... doesn't feel right. I'm a Mass Effect n00b, but I still hope there's some way this will come about with Shepard living. I mean, he/she has already died once... Commander Shepard doesnt fear death, death fears Commander Shepard. lol

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TheWill wrote...

no but i did just come across this video.. im sure many of you have already seen it.. but ive been away from the forums for a while and i laughed hard when i watched this.. if it really id genuine it answers a few questions.. especially about major coats...

That's one of the better movies on IT recently released.
 
Also, did you see that one. It presents some interesting evidence that would seem were missed in the thread (like the idle animation).
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6MkSPO745L4

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TheWill wrote...

no but i did just come across this video.. im sure many of you have already seen it.. but ive been away from the forums for a while and i laughed hard when i watched this.. if it really id genuine it answers a few questions.. especially about major coats...


Oh god hadent seen that video, that was hilarious :lol:

Gotta love the use of effects in that one, especially the Metal Gear Solid !.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 14 septembre 2012 - 04:29 .