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Bill Casey wrote...

Preserving life at any cost is horrible...
There are some things worth dying for...
Some things worth killing for...



Excellent point.

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AllegedVixEo wrote...

Sorry.  I guess Bioware lied to me to when they said they weren't changing the ending, and that everything had played out as intended, or that they would not have any more end game DLC, and there would be no more end game playable content.  That sounds pretty resounding.  But while it may not seem this way now, I didn't come to this forum to ****** on anyone's parade.  I was curious as to how this was still going, I asked a few questions and gained some insight and understanding about the movement.  Some of the people here are very nice and interesting, and that said, I still don't subscribe to this theory so I think I got what I needed from this forum.  Thanks.

You do realize that IT does not hinge on post ending DLC right? Bioware intending IT doesn't either. And read what Byne wrote. Bioware has lied to us. A lot. I just hope it's for the better, and not simply false advertising.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

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Literalists need to stop taking absolutely everything literally.


Byne, you have the laugh magic today!


'Tis better than Space Magic, I suppose.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Preserving life at any cost is horrible...
There are some things worth dying for...
Some things worth killing for...

Sums up destroy well. Keep up the great posts. Posted Image

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Any thoughts on the what the OP failure will bring to MP (in the form of DLC) and if it will have any implications on/from the SP campaign? My hope is that we get to see Leviathan thrall reaper forces...Maurader Shields FTW!?!

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byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

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Literalists need to stop taking absolutely everything literally.


Byne, you have the laugh magic today!


'Tis better than Space Magic, I suppose.


Much better! Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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You don't really need one. IT is as valid as literal, according to Bioware. As. Just as valid. Not more, not less. Who's to say they didn't intend it?



So much this...I don't see why there are so many people that insist that IT is dead...when they have gone out of there way several times to say, "Nope, IT could work."

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If the theory was outright wrong, Bioware would of already said it by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they rode on this theory to back another game with Shepard and expand on what their best writer actually wrote (The guy who came up with the Dark Energy plot but was fired, can't remember his name). I wouldn't mind that actually. If they decide to make another Mass Effect, it better be with Shepard, or I won't buy it and boycott every game Bioware makes after it.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on the what the OP failure will bring to MP (in the form of DLC) and if it will have any implications on/from the SP campaign? My hope is that we get to see Leviathan thrall reaper forces...Maurader Shields FTW!?!

Hmm. Never thought it might prepare us for DLC, but that makes sense. Especially considering we have no idea what it is. The first ME3 DLC that won't be leaked? If I'm right and they leak things intentionally, than this could be pretty important to keep secret. Like protheans maybe. They didn't add Dominate and Dark Channel into the game for nothing. It would also bring Slam in to MP.

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Anyone have an idea how many IT supporters have been playing the game since pretty much day one? I am starting to wonder if that has a big influence on whether or not a gamer believes in IT...

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on the what the OP failure will bring to MP (in the form of DLC) and if it will have any implications on/from the SP campaign? My hope is that we get to see Leviathan thrall reaper forces...Maurader Shields FTW!?!


Having a Marauder would be great. I'd paint him to look just like a regular Marauder, then I'd have my geth hunter for geth matches, a marauder for reaper matches, and my old friend the cerberus trooper for cerberus matches.

I could confuse and frighten my teammates no matter what we're fighting!

#22012
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N7 Assass1n wrote...

If the theory was outright wrong, Bioware would of already said it by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they rode on this theory to back another game with Shepard and expand on what their best writer actually wrote (The guy who came up with the Dark Energy plot but was fired, can't remember his name). I wouldn't mind that actually. If they decide to make another Mass Effect, it better be with Shepard, or I won't buy it and boycott every game Bioware makes after it.


Drew Karpyshyn wasn't fired as far as I know, he left to do other things.

#22013
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on the what the OP failure will bring to MP (in the form of DLC) and if it will have any implications on/from the SP campaign? My hope is that we get to see Leviathan thrall reaper forces...Maurader Shields FTW!?!

Hmm. Never thought it might prepare us for DLC, but that makes sense. Especially considering we have no idea what it is. The first ME3 DLC that won't be leaked? If I'm right and they leak things intentionally, than this could be pretty important to keep secret. Like protheans maybe. They didn't add Dominate and Dark Channel into the game for nothing. It would also bring Slam in to MP.


That would be nice too...I'm just hoping that we get to see more substantial tie-ins to both campaigns.

#22014
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lex0r11 wrote...

N7 Assass1n wrote...

If the theory was outright wrong, Bioware would of already said it by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they rode on this theory to back another game with Shepard and expand on what their best writer actually wrote (The guy who came up with the Dark Energy plot but was fired, can't remember his name). I wouldn't mind that actually. If they decide to make another Mass Effect, it better be with Shepard, or I won't buy it and boycott every game Bioware makes after it.


Drew Karpyshyn wasn't fired as far as I know, he left to do other things.


Ah, that's his name. Well, he was by far the most talented writer they had and the Dark Energy plot had way more potential for awe-defining awesome, and overall closure to the series.

#22015
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@D.Sharrah and N7 Assass1n Exactly. It's the ONLY theory that Bioware didn't say was wrong from the start! When ME3 was released there were floods of theories from people just trying to make sense of the endings. They were like "Nope. Nope. Nope. IT? Maybe."

Anyway, I should go. I'll be back later. I'll repost my not-so-special vid for anyone who wants to see.


#22016
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N7 Assass1n wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

N7 Assass1n wrote...

If the theory was outright wrong, Bioware would of already said it by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they rode on this theory to back another game with Shepard and expand on what their best writer actually wrote (The guy who came up with the Dark Energy plot but was fired, can't remember his name). I wouldn't mind that actually. If they decide to make another Mass Effect, it better be with Shepard, or I won't buy it and boycott every game Bioware makes after it.


Drew Karpyshyn wasn't fired as far as I know, he left to do other things.


Ah, that's his name. Well, he was by far the most talented writer they had and the Dark Energy plot had way more potential for awe-defining awesome, and overall closure to the series.

That plot didn't actually make much sense. But he is a good writer.

Edit: The longer you've played ME, the more likely you'd believe IT. A big problem is all the people who only played ME3... Posted Image Anyway, see ya.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 14 septembre 2012 - 11:58 .


#22017
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byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on the what the OP failure will bring to MP (in the form of DLC) and if it will have any implications on/from the SP campaign? My hope is that we get to see Leviathan thrall reaper forces...Maurader Shields FTW!?!


Having a Marauder would be great. I'd paint him to look just like a regular Marauder, then I'd have my geth hunter for geth matches, a marauder for reaper matches, and my old friend the cerberus trooper for cerberus matches.

I could confuse and frighten my teammates no matter what we're fighting!


If they did introduce Reaper forces...I wonder what they would be...Maruders for sure, probably Cannibals, but what else?  I can't see them doing Brutes, Ravagers, or Banshees...and Husks, well do I need to say anything.  Maybe this is how they get Adjutants (sp?) into the game?  Or start to introduce brand new Reaper forces - like salarian and drell "husks"?

#22018
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Preserving life at any cost is horrible...
There are some things worth dying for...
Some things worth killing for...

Sums up destroy well. Keep up the great posts. Posted Image

Moreso it sums up the very concept of a soldier...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 septembre 2012 - 12:00 .


#22019
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D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on the what the OP failure will bring to MP (in the form of DLC) and if it will have any implications on/from the SP campaign? My hope is that we get to see Leviathan thrall reaper forces...Maurader Shields FTW!?!


Having a Marauder would be great. I'd paint him to look just like a regular Marauder, then I'd have my geth hunter for geth matches, a marauder for reaper matches, and my old friend the cerberus trooper for cerberus matches.

I could confuse and frighten my teammates no matter what we're fighting!


If they did introduce Reaper forces...I wonder what they would be...Maruders for sure, probably Cannibals, but what else?  I can't see them doing Brutes, Ravagers, or Banshees...and Husks, well do I need to say anything.  Maybe this is how they get Adjutants (sp?) into the game?  Or start to introduce brand new Reaper forces - like salarian and drell "husks"?


New husk types is what I'd expect. Banshees and Brutes dont exactly seem like they'd be things you could fight with very easily. And if you could, they'd be OP.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone have an idea how many IT supporters have been playing the game since pretty much day one? I am starting to wonder if that has a big influence on whether or not a gamer believes in IT...


                            I notice quite of people who flat out hate the theory have skipped many key things needed to understand Mass Effect as a whole. It could be skipping 1 or 2 games in the trilogy, or neglecting to read the comics and books.

                           Here's an example: A good friend of mine who insists IT is completely wrong has only played ME1 and 3. He insists ME2 can be skipped because it does not significantly effect what happens in ME3. He also gets distracted and multitasks during cutscenes and has ME3's dialog settings set to auto response. He's probably the last person who should be commenting on Bioware's intentions, but that doesn't stop him and many others like him.

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@D.Sharrah and N7 Assass1n Exactly. It's the ONLY theory that Bioware didn't say was wrong from the start! When ME3 was released there were floods of theories from people just trying to make sense of the endings. They were like "Nope. Nope. Nope. IT? Maybe."

Anyway, I should go. I'll be back later. I'll repost my not-so-special vid for anyone who wants to see.


But no... *Puts on Anti-Theory Hat*

THE THEORY IS DEAD. ALL THE PLOTHOLES/EVIDENCE ARE ALL BAD WRITING! *Takes hat off*

"Ah yes this theory that is supposedly dead.. We have dismissed such a claim":whistle:

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I'm still waiting for my volus MP character.

His heavy melee would be tucking in his arms and legs and rolling into the enemy, knocking them down.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

@D.Sharrah and N7 Assass1n Exactly. It's the ONLY theory that Bioware didn't say was wrong from the start! When ME3 was released there were floods of theories from people just trying to make sense of the endings. They were like "Nope. Nope. Nope. IT? Maybe."

Anyway, I should go. I'll be back later. I'll repost my not-so-special vid for anyone who wants to see.



Just watching your video made me think of a question I have been meaning to ask folks here...according to the Final Hours App the reason that a "boss fight" with a fully reaperized TIM was taken out of the game was that it was too "video gamey"...if that is the case, how in the h e double hockey sticks did they make the decision to have you choose the way that they did?  If we are to take the way you make the choices at face value, how is that not too "video gamey"?  And if it is, then why did this instance of "too video gamey" get left in where the other was taken out?

Ok...I guess it was more than one question. Posted Image

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A good friend of mine who insists IT is completely wrong has only played ME1 and 3. He insists ME2 can be skipped because it does not significantly effect what happens in ME3.


But ME2 affects ME3 more than ME1 does...

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I still think they should throw Raloi into the mix. Any excuse to get them in the war is fine, I dont care. I just want to see what one looks like.