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[GethPrimeMKII]

byne wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

A good friend of mine who insists IT is completely wrong has only played ME1 and 3. He insists ME2 can be skipped because it does not significantly effect what happens in ME3.

But ME2 affects ME3 more than ME1 does...

He's a great guy, but he's a huge idiot when it comes to story heavy games.

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@D.Sharrah and N7 Assass1n Exactly. It's the ONLY theory that Bioware didn't say was wrong from the start! When ME3 was released there were floods of theories from people just trying to make sense of the endings. They were like "Nope. Nope. Nope. IT? Maybe."

Anyway, I should go. I'll be back later. I'll repost my not-so-special vid for anyone who wants to see.

Just watching your video made me think of a question I have been meaning to ask folks here...according to the Final Hours App the reason that a "boss fight" with a fully reaperized TIM was taken out of the game was that it was too "video gamey"...if that is the case, how in the h e double hockey sticks did they make the decision to have you choose the way that they did?  If we are to take the way you make the choices at face value, how is that not too "video gamey"?  And if it is, then why did this instance of "too video gamey" get left in where the other was taken out?

Ok...I guess it was more than one question.

I never understood that.

We're gonna make this one the ME3 game with the most video-gamey combat of all three, but not have boss fights, because thats too video-gamey.

We wouldnt want out video game to feel video-gamey!

[D.Sharrah]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone have an idea how many IT supporters have been playing the game since pretty much day one? I am starting to wonder if that has a big influence on whether or not a gamer believes in IT...

                            I notice quite of people who flat out hate the theory have skipped many key things needed to understand Mass Effect as a whole. It could be skipping 1 or 2 games in the trilogy, or neglecting to read the comics and books.

                           Here's an example: A good friend of mine who insists IT is completely wrong has only played ME1 and 3. He insists ME2 can be skipped because it does not significantly effect what happens in ME3. He also gets distracted and multitasks during cutscenes and has ME3's dialog settings set to auto response. He's probably the last person who should be commenting on Bioware's intentions, but that doesn't stop him and many others like him.

I hope he doesn't truly consider himself a fan of the series...

[byne]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I still think they should throw Raloi into the mix. Any excuse to get them in the war is fine, I dont care. I just want to see what one looks like.

The raloi are an avian species originating on the planet Turvess.

I imagine they look like this:

Modifié par byne, 15 septembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[string3r]

byne wrote...

I'm still waiting for my volus MP character.

His heavy melee would be tucking in his arms and legs and rolling into the enemy, knocking them down.

Sounds like a move from Pokemon.

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

I'm still waiting for my volus MP character.

His heavy melee would be tucking in his arms and legs and rolling into the enemy, knocking them down.

There is that laugh magic again...he would have to scream something truly epic right before...like "I'm going for the strike"

[N7 Assass1n]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone have an idea how many IT supporters have been playing the game since pretty much day one? I am starting to wonder if that has a big influence on whether or not a gamer believes in IT...

                            I notice quite of people who flat out hate the theory have skipped many key things needed to understand Mass Effect as a whole. It could be skipping 1 or 2 games in the trilogy, or neglecting to read the comics and books.

                           Here's an example: A good friend of mine who insists IT is completely wrong has only played ME1 and 3. He insists ME2 can be skipped because it does not significantly effect what happens in ME3. He also gets distracted and multitasks during cutscenes and has ME3's dialog settings set to auto response. He's probably the last person who should be commenting on Bioware's intentions, but that doesn't stop him and many others like him.

People like that are the exact people on this forum that try to disprove the theory as a whole.  I had to go straight back and play ME2 with the genesis DLC because I couldn't stand not having Wrex as the Head/;Leader of Tuchanka, I always wanted to romance Liara (Who became my favourite love interest forever) etc.. I couldn't even finish ME3 after realizing all I missed from past occurences in the trilogy. I found myself being immersed entirely into the story, much to the point where certain sophisticated instances in the game describing advanced tech has driven my interest in Science (Biology and Chemistry) to a whole new level. Amongst other things it is the most emotionally attached I have gotten to any game, or anything (Minus my ex-girlfriend) ever. So I will vouch for whatever I can and what I propose what happens in the series is for my discretion. *STOPS RANT AGAIN*

[401 Kill]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone have an idea how many IT supporters have been playing the game since pretty much day one? I am starting to wonder if that has a big influence on whether or not a gamer believes in IT...

                            I notice quite of people who flat out hate the theory have skipped many key things needed to understand Mass Effect as a whole. It could be skipping 1 or 2 games in the trilogy, or neglecting to read the comics and books.

                           Here's an example: A good friend of mine who insists IT is completely wrong has only played ME1 and 3. He insists ME2 can be skipped because it does not significantly effect what happens in ME3. He also gets distracted and multitasks during cutscenes and has ME3's dialog settings set to auto response. He's probably the last person who should be commenting on Bioware's intentions, but that doesn't stop him and many others like him.

I'm sorry but why in the world anyone play Mass Effect with auto response ? That defeats the purpose of the entire game!

[demersel]

I think they will eventually answer the question how did cerberus REALLY brought Shepard back.

ME3 just near the end on cronos - bioware was like "Remember how in ME2 shaprad died and was brought back, and everybody was like plothole+space magic? Nope. That was no plot hole and no space magic and actually kind of HUGE deal. Stay tuned!." Yes, spacemagic RGB ending is totally legit right after that. )))

[K. S. Black]

I'm not sure if anyone has stated this idea, sorry for not looking through the 880+ pages, but figured I would get my idea out there.

Okay so if anyone has played Gears of War 3 and has the DLC for Raam's Shadow where it has a side story that is available through the main menu. My idea is that BioWare should do this with IT, have it available to download for people that want it. There would be a selection below "Load Game" that players could select, then you would import your Destroy Shepard and continue where Shepard wake's up. It would please those that are hoping for IT as well as not affect those that want to keep the endings as they are.

This is just my opinion on what BioWare could do, I figured this forum would be a good place to post this, I've seen others that start something with IT and is almost always locked shortly after.

[GethPrimeMKII]

demersel wrote...

I think they will eventually answer the question how did cerberus REALLY brought Shepard back.

ME3 just near the end on cronos - bioware was like "Remember how in ME2 shaprad died and was brought back, and everybody was like plothole+space magic? Nope. That was no plot hole and no space magic and actually kind of HUGE deal. Stay tuned!." Yes, spacemagic RGB ending is totally legit right after that. )))

My money is on reaper tech. 

[FellishBeast]

FFZero wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Object rho is the one thing that annoys the crap out of me

Why so very obviously talk about taking shepards mind?
Why does Kenson say she wants shepard alive?
What happened while shepard was knocked out for two days?
How was shepard allowed to awaken from sedatives?

The fact that its optional dlc...bioware can't make future content referencing it, they even have a cover story where shepard is not involved.


Ah well maybe its not something to be stressed over, just take it at surface level. Reaper artifact talking out his backside and shepard was spared and woke up, just because


Would not be surprised if bioware just forgot about it, look at how they did morinth after all

While that is true they couldn’t be further apart it terms of relevance. I don’t know the statistics obviously but I imagine that the percentage of people who chose Morinth over Samara is rather small, it’s like what happened with Jacob. Only a small percentage of people had a Shepard who romanced him so his romance was dropped in ME3. Is that fair on the people who did romance him? No it’s not. Is it fair on the people who did choose Morinth over Samara to only get a token battle with Morinth as an enemy and not something more meaningful? Again no it’s not, but when resources are limited, are you really going to pour a lot into an option that not many people chose?

Arrival and Object Rho are a whole different matter. Arrival is a very important part of Shepards story, Bioware have said so themselves and have made it’s events ‘canon’ since it’s mentioned in the other forms of media. Bioware will do something with it, it’d be crazy not to, but will it be something meaningful? If IT turns out to be true it could be a condition of how easy/difficult it is to break free. If you completed Arrival it’s harder, if not it’s easier.


I seem to remember a post on Patrick Weekes' twitter feed recently about horribly complicated conditionals...

I think Arrival is very important to the ending. Don't forget that the start of the mass relay chain reaction at the end starts in that very system, and Aratoht is one of the few places Shepard could be plausibly waking up in the Destroy ending. The Citadel is out of the equation, imo, so it's between London and the asteroid for me. And honestly, the asteroid is making more and more sense the more I look into things.

Wait, what? How would that be possible? Aratoht doesn't exist anymore... unless you’re saying that you think everything from Shepard being brain blasted by Object Rho onwards is all a hallucination?

More than likely it does not. But then the relay wouldn't exist either, which it does in the ending.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

I think they will eventually answer the question how did cerberus REALLY brought Shepard back.

ME3 just near the end on cronos - bioware was like "Remember how in ME2 shaprad died and was brought back, and everybody was like plothole+space magic? Nope. That was no plot hole and no space magic and actually kind of HUGE deal. Stay tuned!." Yes, spacemagic RGB ending is totally legit right after that. )))

Nice.

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@D.Sharrah and N7 Assass1n Exactly. It's the ONLY theory that Bioware didn't say was wrong from the start! When ME3 was released there were floods of theories from people just trying to make sense of the endings. They were like "Nope. Nope. Nope. IT? Maybe."

Anyway, I should go. I'll be back later. I'll repost my not-so-special vid for anyone who wants to see.

Just watching your video made me think of a question I have been meaning to ask folks here...according to the Final Hours App the reason that a "boss fight" with a fully reaperized TIM was taken out of the game was that it was too "video gamey"...if that is the case, how in the h e double hockey sticks did they make the decision to have you choose the way that they did?  If we are to take the way you make the choices at face value, how is that not too "video gamey"?  And if it is, then why did this instance of "too video gamey" get left in where the other was taken out?

Ok...I guess it was more than one question.

I'm not too sure what you mean. How is the end video-gamey?

Also, H7N7 avian flu. LOL. And people still think bioware can't do subtleties...

[BansheeOwnage]

SubAstris wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Would not be surprised if bioware just forgot about it, look at how they did morinth after all

...And how BW "forgot" in the ending when a Mass Relay explodes, it causes a supernova. PW has already stated that they didn't realise players would make that connection

2 things of great value happened in Arrival.
1. We learned that when relays are destroyed, the destroy their systems.
2. Shepard was knocked out by an indoctrinating device for 2 days, and is wanted alive to become indoctrinated.

If relays don't actually kill everyone, and Shepard is "immune" to indoctrination, then Arrival is a pretty pointless main-plot DLC. Kind of like ME2. Or ME1. Or ME3 for that matter...

Edit: Come on! This thread  was at FTL earlier! Pick up the pace or I will have to go make more videos.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:20 .

[spotlessvoid]

I'd say given the Raloi's actions during the Reaper invasion this is more apt

[Bill Casey]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

And people still think bioware can't do subtleties...

Gunny...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:20 .

[masster blaster]

Hello my name is Masster Blaster, and I have returned from my training camp of school. What have I missed oh IT friends? Also I tried to read all 126 pages, but I only got to 127.

[spotlessvoid]

masster blaster wrote...

Hello my name is Masster Blaster, and I have returned from my training camp of school. What have I missed oh IT friends? Also I tried to read all 126 pages, but I only got to 127.

I know it's you because it made no sense  You missed a lot. We found out TIM whispers "good teenagers, take off your clothes" during a scene.

Oh, and that blackout murder wall has the "in.ctrn8 on it

[Home run MF]

masster blaster wrote...

Hello my name is Masster Blaster, and I have returned from my training camp of school. What have I missed oh IT friends? Also I tried to read all 126 pages, but I only got to 127.

Masster!!! 

Have you seen this Banshee post? I think your theory about Levi in Shepards head is still valid.  

[Dusen]

demersel wrote...

I think they will eventually answer the question how did cerberus REALLY brought Shepard back.

ME3 just near the end on cronos - bioware was like "Remember how in ME2 shaprad died and was brought back, and everybody was like plothole+space magic? Nope. That was no plot hole and no space magic and actually kind of HUGE deal. Stay tuned!." Yes, spacemagic RGB ending is totally legit right after that. )))

That's interesting. Why did they bother to put that information in ME3 if they were going to abruptly dispose of it two seconds later?

[masster blaster]

So I have been thinking about the 4 endings and I have a little theory on what they could also represent. You see in Control Harbinger get's Shepard's mind, or Leviathan, do to what the Catalyst says. " Your thoughts, your memories...." you know the rest, but Shepard allows Harbinger, or Leviathan to have his/her mind, and they do what ever they want with Shepard's mind.

In Synthesis Harbinger, or Leviathan is Synthesizing Shepard, but in the process is giving the Reapers an upgrade so their evolution can be complete.

In Destroy Harbinger, or Leviathan try's to kill Shepard because his/her morals and will power is not letting one of them indoctrinate Shepard. So they pull the plug on Shepard, but your assets will try to go stop Harbinger, or Leviathan. From killing Shepard.

In Refuse/Reject Harbinger, or Leviathan rejects/refuses Shepard because they either broke Shepard, or Shepard is no more use for their plans any more.

[masster blaster]

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FFZero wrote...

This may have been mentioned before but I just replayed the ending of Leviathan again and isn’t the sound effect that occurs when Shepard wakes up in the mech after talking with the Leviathans the same sound that plays when Shepard is shocked awake on the Citadel at the end?

Also, cool finds on those screens. Another point to the Vancouver Easter eggs = DLC timeline theory

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Guys!

Girls!

I have found something awesome! I found where else that sound plays!

Here is the Leviathan sound.

AND HERE IS THE OTHER PLACE IT PLAYS!

Very interesting!  Now, if this noise is used to toggle a "control move" by Reapers of Leviathans, would that imply that the dream starts when Shepard reaches the Conduit beam?  Shepard could still be in London (maybe the beam threw him out) but if he did make it to the beam then there is a chance that his body is lying on the Citadel somewhere.

Either way, very interesting implications

Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.


Also notice Shepard is bleeding from the same nose whole, once Shepard wakes up after Leviathan's forshadowing plot. I mean lock at the nose, it's bleeding in the same spot for both videos, so maybe that's a clue.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:52 .

[spotlessvoid]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

MIND = BLOWN

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Guys!

Girls!

I have found something awesome! I found where else that sound plays!

Here is the Leviathan sound.

AND HERE IS THE OTHER PLACE IT PLAYS!

MIND = BLOWN

Both of these need to be added to the list of IT evidence we were compiling!

[HellishFiend]

masster blaster wrote...


Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.

You may not have been the first to figure that one out, Mr. Blaster. ;-)

*activates Tactical Cloak*