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[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.

You may not have been the first to figure that one out, Mr. Blaster. ;-)

*activates Tactical Cloak*

Not happening. Sorry.
Edit: Top! Hi Home Run. I just wrote a long post twice and had the internet crash right before I posted it twice. I don't want to type it again. Uhh.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:52 .

[spotlessvoid]

It's no use, he's gone...

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[masster blaster]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.

You may not have been the first to figure that one out, Mr. Blaster. ;-)

*activates Tactical Cloak*

Maybe I was, but your right, and how is Episode 2 comming alone?

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

 

I know it's you because it made no sense  You missed a lot. We found out TIM whispers "good teenagers, take off your clothes" during a scene.

Oh, and that blackout murder wall has the "in.ctrn8 on it

Hey, that was from Aladin.

[spotlessvoid]

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

 

I know it's you because it made no sense  You missed a lot. We found out TIM whispers "good teenagers, take off your clothes" during a scene.

Oh, and that blackout murder wall has the "in.ctrn8 on it

Hey, that was from Aladin.

Sorry, got confused


MB, did you see the in.ctrn8 pic?

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

 

I know it's you because it made no sense  You missed a lot. We found out TIM whispers "good teenagers, take off your clothes" during a scene.

Oh, and that blackout murder wall has the "in.ctrn8 on it

Hey, that was from Aladin.

Sorry, got confused


MB, did you see the in.ctrn8 pic?

What is that again? I haven't been on here for almost a week, and I have missed so much.

[Home run MF]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.

You may not have been the first to figure that one out, Mr. Blaster. ;-)

*activates Tactical Cloak*

Not happening. Sorry.
Edit: Top! Hi Home Run. I just wrote a long post twice and had the internet crash right before I posted it twice. I don't want to type it again. Uhh.

Hi, was it the wall of text second part?  I always write long posts on word and save them, can't trust the internet <_<

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.

You may not have been the first to figure that one out, Mr. Blaster. ;-)

*activates Tactical Cloak*

Not happening. Sorry.
Edit: Top! Hi Home Run. I just wrote a long post twice and had the internet crash right before I posted it twice. I don't want to type it again. Uhh.

TIM/ " Banshee your in my chair."

It's good to see you Banshee, and the rest of you. Did I miss a party a few hours ago or what.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[spotlessvoid]

In-dot-ctrn-8

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...



In-dot-ctrn-8

indoctrination I take it, or no.

[spotlessvoid]

Yup

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Crown me if I am right about my litle theory about Leviathan being the one pulling the strings at the end.

You may not have been the first to figure that one out, Mr. Blaster. ;-)

*activates Tactical Cloak*

Not happening. Sorry.
Edit: Top! Hi Home Run. I just wrote a long post twice and had the internet crash right before I posted it twice. I don't want to type it again. Uhh.

Hi, was it the wall of text second part?  I always write long posts on word and save them, can't trust the internet <_<

No it wasn't actually, though I must finish that tomorrow now that it's the weekend. Sorry for the delay.  I also need to finish my PC playthrough, so I can make some more videos. I have a plan for a truly epic ending one, using only ingame assets.

Hello MassterBlaster. Welcome back.

[masster blaster]

K. S. Black wrote...

I'm not sure if anyone has stated this idea, sorry for not looking through the 880+ pages, but figured I would get my idea out there.

Okay so if anyone has played Gears of War 3 and has the DLC for Raam's Shadow where it has a side story that is available through the main menu. My idea is that BioWare should do this with IT, have it available to download for people that want it. There would be a selection below "Load Game" that players could select, then you would import your Destroy Shepard and continue where Shepard wake's up. It would please those that are hoping for IT as well as not affect those that want to keep the endings as they are.

This is just my opinion on what BioWare could do, I figured this forum would be a good place to post this, I've seen others that start something with IT and is almost always locked shortly after.

Ya that could be the case, but for right now it's unclear what they are [laning. Well from a Literal point of view that is.

[DoomsdayDevice]

AllegedVixEo wrote...

The theme throughout 3 games is to preserve life and to do it by bringing organically and synthetics to peace.

In a way, yes. On the most perfect playthroughs, Shepard even unites the Geth and the Quarian, proving that what the so-called catalyst says, isn't true.

The beauty of the peace between the Geth and Quarrian is that they come to an understanding on their own terms. It turned out the Quarians struck first, out of fear of having developed AI with self-awareness. The Geth were forced to ally themselves with the Reapers, which they deemed preferable to extinction. The Geth even decided to spare what remained of the Quarians, because they weren't sure what the consequences would be of wiping out an entire race.

The catalyst is now wrong on three accounts:

1. The created will always turn on their creators - the Geth did not. They asked if they had a soul, and became the victims of a pre-emptive genocide by their creators.
2. Organics will be wiped out by synthetics without the cycle - again: the Geth did not wipe out the Quarians, even when they had the chance.
3. There can never be peace between organics and synthetics - There is peace between Geth & Quarians.

Once Shepard convinces the Quarians that the Geth only acted in self-defence against the aggressive actions of the Quarians - both races agreed upon peace, on their own terms, as it should be. A 'forced' synthesis, a magical solution that forces a new form upon everyone in the galaxy, is wrong on so many levels. For one, it is not chosen by those involved, it is forced. Secondly, the status of peace isn't chosen either. It is forced, simply by removing the need for conflict. This is simply morally wrong.

The whole beauty of the peace between Quarians is the fact that it seemed impossible, yet the two factions chose to trust each other, on their own terms.

And there we arrive at what the Mass Effect series truly is about. It is not about achieving peace between organics and synthetics, that is just an avatar.

Ultimately, Mass Effect is about free will.

And that's where Indoctrination comes in.

AllegedVixEo wrote...

Saren wanted to save organic life by bringing about the next phase in evolution, or synthesis.  He was under the influence of Reapers at this time.  Illusive Man thought he could outsmart the Reapers by controlling them, in order to save humanity.  But really he became indoctrinated.

Correct.

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

[DoomsdayDevice]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

Yeah, let's solve all the problems in the world by forcing everyone to be of the same race/colour/nationality/religion/culture. Because that's easier than to try and understand each other in our diversity.

See how terribly wrong that sounds?

And people dive into the Synthesis beam thinking they're heroes.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

Yeah, let's solve all the problems in the world by forcing everyone to be of the same race/colour and religion. Because that's easier than to try and understand each other in our diversity.

See how terribly wrong that sounds?

And people dive into the Synthesis beam thinking they're heroes.

Hey! It's like real life! Btw: I'm actually making a vid right now that involves the synthesis beam. Stay tuned while it uploads...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

The Protheans represent this perfectly. They were too homogenous, so they could not adapt and were wiped out.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

And made the Reapers friends to the galaxy in Synthesis, and Control. Pass. Also um is it me, or didn't Shepard say "We will fight, we will sacrifece, but we will find another way."

Anderson " There's always another way."

TIM: "Destroying the Reapers gains us nothing." Yet it does in the epilogue, or what could be a possible future if Shepard wakes up.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:37 .

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

The Protheans represent this perfectly. They were too homogenous, so they could not adapt and were wiped out.

And they admitted that. That's why I like the protheans. They thought they were the most evolved and dominant race - because they were. They weren't arrogant. And that is just one of the instances synthesis is directly mentioned to be bad in ME. I'll make a vid about that.

[DoomsdayDevice]

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Saren wanted synthesis. TIM wanted control. Both were indoctrinated. So what does that tell you about Shepard when (s)he picks those options?

IT's strongest argument, IMO.

I don't know why people need more than that. Also, I've thought of synthesis in real life before I played Mass Effect. What would solve all problems? Making everyone the same.



TOO BAD THAT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION!

The Protheans represent this perfectly. They were too homogenous, so they could not adapt and were wiped out.

Yes, excellent point.

The game makes all these points, all these themes connect and make perfect sense. It's really well thought out. But no! Bad writing, derp.

[BansheeOwnage]

Uploading Synthesis video.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Uploading Synthesis video.

Error! There was a problem uploading the Synthesis video onto your computer. Please try again in the next 10,000 years.

[TheConstantOne]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

AllegedVixEo wrote...

The theme throughout 3 games is to preserve life and to do it by bringing organically and synthetics to peace.

In a way, yes. On the most perfect playthroughs, Shepard even unites the Geth and the Quarian, proving that what the so-called catalyst says, isn't true.

The beauty of the peace between the Geth and Quarrian is that they come to an understanding on their own terms. It turned out the Quarians struck first, out of fear of having developed AI with self-awareness. The Geth were forced to ally themselves with the Reapers, which they deemed preferable to extinction. The Geth even decided to spare what remained of the Quarians, because they weren't sure what the consequences would be of wiping out an entire race.

The catalyst is now wrong on three accounts:

1. The created will always turn on their creators - the Geth did not. They asked if they had a soul, and became the victims of a pre-emptive genocide by their creators.
2. Organics will be wiped out by synthetics without the cycle - again: the Geth did not wipe out the Quarians, even when they had the chance.
3. There can never be peace between organics and synthetics - There is peace between Geth & Quarians.

Once Shepard convinces the Quarians that the Geth only acted in self-defence against the aggressive actions of the Quarians - both races agreed upon peace, on their own terms, as it should be. A 'forced' synthesis, a magical solution that forces a new form upon everyone in the galaxy, is wrong on so many levels. For one, it is not chosen by those involved, it is forced. Secondly, the status of peace isn't chosen either. It is forced, simply by removing the need for conflict. This is simply morally wrong.

The whole beauty of the peace between Quarians is the fact that it seemed impossible, yet the two factions chose to trust each other, on their own terms.

And there we arrive at what the Mass Effect series truly is about. It is not about achieving peace between organics and synthetics, that is just an avatar.

Ultimately, Mass Effect is about free will.

And that's where Indoctrination comes in.

This theme is also touched upon in the Refuse ending, which is the source of debate between which ending actually defeats indoctrination: Destroy or Refuse.  Both are representations of the galaxy's free will but, the way I see it, Destroy is Shepard actively fighting for free will whereas Refuse is Shepard giving up the fight but declaring that the galaxy will continue fighting for its freedom.  Active vs passive resistance. 

For the reasons given above, I still favor Destroy, though the debate is far from over.  If IT is ever expanded upon in dlc, both of those choices could have positive but different consequences

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Uploading Synthesis video.

Error! There was a problem uploading the Synthesis video onto your computer. Please try again in the next 10,000 years.

LOL. Starkid tried to upload a synthesis video in the past, but it has always failed.

Don't worry, it's not a bad synthesis video