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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#22126
estebanus

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Hey guy's/ladies. Sorry if I may seem agitated today, but I'm currently in a real bad mood.

Anyway, what's up?

EDIT: Top!

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .


#22127
Lokanaiya

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Paxxton, you seem to have a knack for killing the thread. :P

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estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

lol chill out

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RavenEyry

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

No, I was just joking around.

#22132
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plfranke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

lol chill out

I only asked him a simple question.

EDIT: ...Which I now have an answer to.

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:45 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

No, I was just joking around.

Okay. Sorry if it seemed like I snapped at you.

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

No, I was just joking around.

Okay. Sorry if it seemed like I snapped at you.

lol you know very well you snapped at him. I don't see why there's an "if it seemed like" there.

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estebanus

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plfranke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyway, what's up?

I've no idea. I only read the last page when I first come on, which consists of only you asking that.

I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly you mean. Are you blaming me for being inquisitive?

No, I was just joking around.

Okay. Sorry if it seemed like I snapped at you.

lol you know very well you snapped at him. I don't see why there's an "if it seemed like" there.

What exactly is your problem? still pissed because of that little episode between you, me and Paxxton a while back? Is that what it is?
If so, get over it.

The only one here who seems to really be agressive in his posts are you. Please point out to me what was so offensive about my post.

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:04 .


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Jeeze I just log on and see nothing but people snapping at each other. Lol everyone calm down.

Modifié par Dam0299, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:58 .


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I wish I hadn't said anything now. I seem to have upset everyone.

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Dont worry Raven, When I first log in the latest page is all I read to begin with too.

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RavenEyry wrote...

I wish I hadn't said anything now. I seem to have upset everyone.

It's not your fault. I misunderstood what you meant, and somebody here apparently took that as a chance to have a go at me. So technically, it's my fault.

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:04 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992

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Something I realized during a discussion yesterday:

The Catalyst claims Synthesis is inevitable, that it is only a matter of time even if Shepard does not pick it there...

...but the Catalyst has supposedly been attempting to perform Synthesis for litterally at least a billion years (Age of the Leviathan of Dis). 1 billion years of natural and forced evolution and yet Synthesis has never been achieved succesfully.

Idd say that is another dent in the trustworthiness of the Catalyst (which is already 0)

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Something I realized during a discussion yesterday:

The Catalyst claims Synthesis is inevitable, that it is only a matter of time even if Shepard does not pick it there...

...but the Catalyst has supposedly been attempting to perform Synthesis for litterally at least a billion years (Age of the Leviathan of Dis). 1 billion years of natural and forced evolution and yet Synthesis has never been achieved succesfully.

Idd say that is another dent in the trustworthiness of the Catalyst (which is already 0)

"Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that organics will achieve synthesis." Keyword: Now.
This implies that no one before ever knew about synthesis, and that organics have not heard of this option until now.

It is first viable after discovering its possibility of actually happening.

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:14 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Idd say that is another dent in the trustworthiness of the Catalyst (which is already 0)

Also a dent in the idea that choosing synthesis is a wonderful thing with no negative drawbacks.

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estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Something I realized during a discussion yesterday:

The Catalyst claims Synthesis is inevitable, that it is only a matter of time even if Shepard does not pick it there...

...but the Catalyst has supposedly been attempting to perform Synthesis for litterally at least a billion years (Age of the Leviathan of Dis). 1 billion years of natural and forced evolution and yet Synthesis has never been achieved succesfully.

Idd say that is another dent in the trustworthiness of the Catalyst (which is already 0)

"Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that organics will achieve synthesis." Keyword: Now.
This implies that no one before ever knew about synthesis, and that organics have not heard of this option until now.

It is first viable after discovering its possibility of actually happening.



That is still 1 billion years of natural evolution, even if the Reapers wiped out every race before they came close to it the Reapers themselves should have evolved towards this perfect Synthesis and so should the Leviathans. Just because both conside themselves the pinnacle of evolution dosent mean they are, if there is something higher achieveable through natural evolution, they should be moving towards it.

But they havent, Synthesis is not natural despite what Catalyst tells us.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Something I realized during a discussion yesterday:

The Catalyst claims Synthesis is inevitable, that it is only a matter of time even if Shepard does not pick it there...

...but the Catalyst has supposedly been attempting to perform Synthesis for litterally at least a billion years (Age of the Leviathan of Dis). 1 billion years of natural and forced evolution and yet Synthesis has never been achieved succesfully.

Idd say that is another dent in the trustworthiness of the Catalyst (which is already 0)

"Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that organics will achieve synthesis." Keyword: Now.
This implies that no one before ever knew about synthesis, and that organics have not heard of this option until now.

It is first viable after discovering its possibility of actually happening.



That is still 1 billion years of natural evolution, even if the Reapers wiped out every race before they came close to it the Reapers themselves should have evolved towards this perfect Synthesis and so should the Leviathans. Just because both conside themselves the pinnacle of evolution dosent mean they are, if there is something higher achieveable through natural evolution, they should be moving towards it.

But they havent, Synthesis is not natural despite what Catalyst tells us.

Wait, what does that have to do with what I said?

I said that the catalyst implies that no one else ever made it this far. No one finished the crucible before after all, so no one would meet the catalyst, and no one would manage to achieve synthesis. Shepard is the first being alive to be there.Now, she gets to know that synthesis is a viable option. Organics will now be able to achieve it not through evolution, but through technological advancement.

I hate it when the catalyst and other people try putting synthesis together with evolution, because they're two entirely different things. It's not like we humans will suddenly be half-machine through normal evolution, will we? We won't suddenly grow computer circuits inside us, because it's synthetic. Organics can not evolve into getting synthetic implants, otherwise they'd simply be organic, and not synthetic.

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Can this thread keep going on? Come on guys. I know the endings were crappy and I would like as much as any bioware fan to get an ending specifically tailored to me according to every little decision I made, not just some acknowledgements through war assets, but we know we're not going to get it.
Bioware said it: "Nope, that indoctrination theory is just a really big coincidence guys. It's all for realz! Nothing was going on in Shepard's head." But you know, after EA did the "Assuming direct control!" Harbinger move.
I personally have nothing against these threads but I think we've sent the message that we didn't like what they did with the ending. Maybe it's time we put it behind us and stop hoping that bioware makes an ending like we want for ME3, because I don't think we're going to get it.

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Tiby4u wrote...
Bioware said it: "Nope, that indoctrination theory is just a really big coincidence guys. It's all for realz! Nothing was going on in Shepard's head."

[citation needed]

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estebanus wrote...

Wait, what does that have to do with what I said?

I said that the catalyst implies that no one else ever made it this far. No one finished the crucible before after all, so no one would meet the catalyst, and no one would manage to achieve synthesis. Shepard is the first being alive to be there.Now, she gets to know that synthesis is a viable option. Organics will now be able to achieve it not through evolution, but through technological advancement.

I hate it when the catalyst and other people try putting synthesis together with evolution, because they're two entirely different things. It's not like we humans will suddenly be half-machine through normal evolution, will we? We won't suddenly grow computer circuits inside us, because it's synthetic. Organics can not evolve into getting synthetic implants, otherwise they'd simply be organic, and not synthetic.


Sorry if I misunderstood that, but the Catalyst constantly refers to Synthesis (at least the way I hear it) as if it was something natural. Quotes like:

"A chain reaction will combine all organic and synthetic life into a new framework…a new DNA."

"Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

It also says it tried Synthesis in the past: "We have tried…a similar solution in the past.  But it has always failed."

He claims it was because organics was not ready...ready how? Ready as in on the right stage of evolution? If so then why harvest organcis before they are ready for your final solution. Is it ready as in a state of mind, certain ideals, isit directly linked to humans...and if so, why Shepard?

1 Billion years and the Catalyst dosent seem to have an answer beyond, "that is just how it is." 1 Billion years and noone was "ready."

There is something horribly wrong in all this.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Hey, look at this video I found :whistle:

Made my day, seriously. Laughing till I had tears in my eyes.

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Restrider wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Hey, look at this video I found :whistle:

Made my day, seriously. Laughing till I had tears in my eyes.

"Byne dissaproves"

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait, what does that have to do with what I said?

I said that the catalyst implies that no one else ever made it this far. No one finished the crucible before after all, so no one would meet the catalyst, and no one would manage to achieve synthesis. Shepard is the first being alive to be there.Now, she gets to know that synthesis is a viable option. Organics will now be able to achieve it not through evolution, but through technological advancement.

I hate it when the catalyst and other people try putting synthesis together with evolution, because they're two entirely different things. It's not like we humans will suddenly be half-machine through normal evolution, will we? We won't suddenly grow computer circuits inside us, because it's synthetic. Organics can not evolve into getting synthetic implants, otherwise they'd simply be organic, and not synthetic.


Sorry if I misunderstood that, but the Catalyst constantly refers to Synthesis (at least the way I hear it) as if it was something natural. Quotes like:

"A chain reaction will combine all organic and synthetic life into a new framework…a new DNA."

"Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

It also says it tried Synthesis in the past: "We have tried…a similar solution in the past.  But it has always failed."

He claims it was because organics was not ready...ready how? Ready as in on the right stage of evolution? If so then why harvest organcis before they are ready for your final solution. Is it ready as in a state of mind, certain ideals, isit directly linked to humans...and if so, why Shepard?

1 Billion years and the Catalyst dosent seem to have an answer beyond, "that is just how it is." 1 Billion years and noone was "ready."

There is something horribly wrong in all this.

Yes, I know what the catalyst says about synthesis. If it thinks synthesis will come through evolution, then it's a retard that failed at anatomy, biology, and so many other things.
Personally, I think it refers to technological advancement when it talks about it coming naturally.